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Thanks Augie. It should be fun. Your work gives me a lot of inspiration, so hopefully I can do the model justice Le debutant, that's a really nice Unicorn - is that yours? I'm planning on building the stern and the galleries from scratch, in large part to avoid using the cast metal pieces.
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My approach to the build I decided I'm going to try and step up my game and attempt to enhance the kit to the best of my abilities. So, I have a number of enhancements that I'm thinking of doing. I placed an order with Jim Byrnes for his table saw and disc sander, so I'll have some toys to play with. I also went with Jeff at Hobbymill for the upgraded wood. 1. Paint with wood. I'm not a big fan of paint on wooden models, particularly white which I think comes off as too garish, so I'm going to try and avoid paint as much as possible. I'm also planning on sticking with three primary colors for the build - pear for the hull, boxwood for the hull accents and deck, and black in the form of dyed pear. ChrisLBren's Confederacy was a big inspiration for taking this approach - I hope I can pull it off half as well as he does 2. Different color scheme. I'm planning on modifying the color scheme a bit, using black for the mast tops and spars and for a thicker wale per the Chapman plans). I havent decided whether to use red for the bulwark planking and cannon carriages - if I do, I have a couple of stains from General Finishes that might work nicely. 3. Scratch the stern. I think I'm going to scrap the cast metal pieces and build the stern from scratch. This would include scratching the stern galleries, windows and the stern decorations. That will probably be the most difficult part of the build I would guess. 4. Open up the waist. I will open up the waist as in the Guadeloupe plans. 5. Change to quarterdeck. Depending on how the build is going, I might reorient the quarterdeck to have a gradual opening up of the portholes per the Chapman plans. Not sure if I'll be able to pull that off, but I think it will be a nice touch if it ends up working out. 6. Sails. I think the furled sails came out ok on my Badger, so I'll probably try adding a mix of full and furled sails to this build. 7. Other details. I might try adding a few other details to the build, including ship's boats, additional anchors, etc. Well that's that. My goal is to really challenge myself and my abilities, especially after learning all I did on the Badger. In particular, I hope to get a lot more detailed and precise with the rigging - I think the rigging is what can really set apart great builds. So, hopefully I can try worming and parceling and not take as many shortcuts as I did on the Badger. First order of business is to replace the keel - the one in the kit is warped with a twist -- so rather than fighting with it, I'm just going to cut out a new one in plywood on my scroll saw I have to figure out how to cut it so that I can add the stern post, bow, and false keel in pear. Thanks to everyone that follows my (mis)adventures on this log. Looking forward to joining my Unicorn brothers soon
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Probably the biggest inaccuracy with the kit is the waist - the kit as shown in the picture below (borrowed from Ian's log) would have you build the model with a very narrow waist. Gardiner's book has a chapter dedicated to the waist of frigates during the 1700s - in 1745, the quarterdecks and forecastle had a broad capping strip over the waist gunwales. With the advent of the "true frigates," the capping strip was broadened into a gangway. So, a more accurate representation of the waist would be something closer to what is seen in the second picture below, which is of the Guadeloupe, a close descendent of the Unicorn. The nice thing about opening up the waist will be that more of the deck details will be visible. Changing the waist should be a relatively easy fix. A more difficult issue is the cast metal pieces for the stern. They don't look all that great, and it sounds like other builders have had issues getting them to fit correctly. So, I think I'm going to scratch the stern and stern galleries. The plans for the ship also differ slightly from the Chapman plans in the "Architectura Navalis Mercatoria" book. The stern is slightly different, and the angle of the quarterdeck in the Chapman differs as the portholes over the quarterdeck gradually open up as you move towards the bow. A picture of the Chapman plans is below (the link below will take you to a high-resolution image) The Unicorn is the lower of the two ships. http://www.sjohistoriska.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_3085/cf_1803/55.JPG
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In case people are interested, here are some pictures of the kit components. Sorry for the four lights in the corners - I had to take the pictures on my kitchen island countertop, as my twins just celebrated their first birthday and their, uh, stuff is all over the place The kit components are not that bad all things considering. The wood quality is pretty good, and Corel gives you pieces that are blonde, yellow ochre and black so that you can build the kit without painting. In fact, as you can see in the picture in the first post, I think Corel assumes that you will build the kit out of the box without painting it. To me, the ship looks a bit too bland with this color scheme, so I am planning on painting with wood and adding more colors throughout the ship as I will detail in the next posts. The cast metal parts for the stern are a bit of an issue for me, which I will also get into in the next post. The blocks seem to me to be a bit oversized, but I'll have to examine them a little further when I get to the rigging stage. The instructions are a bit wonky, but the plans are actually very clear and detailed so the instructions shouldn't hold me back.
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***NOTE - in January 2016, I decided to close this build log. I'll be building the Lyme as a new scratch build using the NMM plans, rather than try to bash the Corel Unicorn kit*** ***NOTE - in August 2014, I decided to build the HMS Lyme, the sister ship to the Unicorn, by bashing the Corel Unicorn kit. So, the log until then will be referring a lot to the Unicorn*** Hi my friends, now that I finished the Badger, I'm moving onto my second build, which will be the Corel Unicorn. The kit is scale 1:75, which ends up being approximately 33" in length and 29" in height, and some sites rate it as an "intermediate level" build. It doesn't look like it is too complicated a kit, but I plan to attempt a number of enhancements to the build which should raise the difficulty a bit. I was sold on the kit after coming across my friend Ian Major's beautiful build on here, so I blame him for my foray into this model -- hopefully my build comes out half as well as his In addition to Ian, ZyZux and Ollyweb have build logs on here, and Petervisser has a completed Unicorn in the completed kits gallery - so, plenty of good company as I no doubt will need help along the way. As other builders of the kit will tell you, it looks like Corel was very confused about the history of the Unicorn. Not only does the box imply the ship was built in 1790, but in the instructions, Corel says that Fredrik Henrik af Chapman designed the ship in 1700. Only problem is that Chapman was born in 1721 The instructions are correct that the "Architectura Navalis Mercatoria," which reproduces 62 plates from Chapman's ship engineering work (including the Unicorn), was published in Stockholm in 1768. Not only do the instructions have the history wrong, but the design of the ship with the narrow waist seems to be incorrect according to the frigate history outlined in Robert Gardiner's "The Sailing Frigate." In any event, the inaccuracies of the kit are well documented in the MSW link below. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/2444-quality-of-corel-kits/ The Lyme and the Unicorn actually played an important part in British naval history. According to Gardiner's "The Sailing Frigate," the Lyme and the Unicorn were the first "true frigates." During the 1740s, the fifth and sixth rate vessels in the British navy were deemed inadequate, so it was decided that the navy would copy a captured French ship. British 24s had a heavily framed full-height lower deck while their French counterparts had a light platform lower deck with reduced headroom positioned just below the waterline (which compressed the height of the topside) along with an unarmed quarterdeck and forecastle and minimal barricades or rails. According to Gardiner, the fine lines and light framing made for fast and weatherly ships. The British ultimately copied the lines of the privateer Tygre, and launched the Lyme and the Unicorn in 1748 (these were referred to as the Lyme class). Apparently, the design was of such great success, that eventually 20 ships were built of this design. Some other tidbits in the Wikipedia links below: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Lyme_(1748) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Unicorn_(1748)
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Love the windows Augie. I'm going to try that on my next build. Another issue with acetate is that it can be a little tricky to apply the glue and not get glue marks on the window panes - your technique avoids that (and looks better to boot!). Thanks for the tip.
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CA glue and metal fittings
Landlubber Mike replied to cdogg's topic in Metal Work, Soldering and Metal Fittings
That's interesting because on my Badger, I used Gorilla glue, which is a type of PVA, to glue some metal parts to wood with no problem. These were mostly smaller pieces though, and I'm not sure if they would work on larger/heavier pieces. Personally, I can't stand CA, but it's probably just user error. -
Looking good Patrick, and I like the new toys I need to buy a few new ones myself... The Charles Morgan's keel also came in multiple pieces. I'm thinking of cutting out a new one out of one solid piece also. The multiple pieces are probably ok if glued correctly, but I think a solid piece will give me more comfort. Not sure why MS does their keels that way.
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Sorry for all the questions. It's a bit harder to find plywood that I would have thought. Any suggestions on where to buy good quality plywood? National Balsa has the size I need, and I think I've heard good things about them, but I get nervous when I read the following disclaimer on their website: "Birch Plywood sheets are cut from a premium quality grade product. The 1/64-1/8 6 ply is aircraft grade plywood. The thickness of the sheets are in metric measurements which have been converted to English equivalents, as is all aircraft grade plywood. We always strive to provide the best quality possible, but the nature of these plywood sheets make it impossible for us to guarantee that every sheet will be perfectly flat and straight." Thanks!
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Hi Jay, sorry I think I wasn't very clear. I was wondering if I should cut the false keel, stem and stern post right to where the hull planking should end (so that the rabbet would be cut into the plywood), or cut them bigger (and the false keel smaller) so that the hull planking would end up in the middle of the pear pieces, rather than butt up against the start of the pear (so the rabbet would be cut into the pear itself). If it helps, the keel is 5mm. I think the first approach would make cutting the rabbet much easier, but the plywood edge to which the pear pieces would be glued would be narrower -- and therefore, maybe less area for the glue bond -- for example, 3mm of the plywood matching up against the 5mm pear. The second approach would make it more difficult to cut the rabbet, but the plywood and the pear joint would be the full 5mm of both the plywood and the pear. Just curious as to what people generally do in these cases. Thanks!
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Thanks very much guys, I'm going to go with cutting the new keel. A few hours of work will save me a lot of aggravation in the end. I'll probably also stick with plywood for the cost. One more follow up question. I plan for the stem, stern post and false keel to be in pear, and I also plan to cut a rabbet for the hull planking. When cutting out the modified keel in plywood, should I cut it such that the rabbet would be cut into the plywood (i.e., the hull planking would flow right into the start of the pear pieces), or should I make the stem/stern post/false keel a little wider so that the rabbet would be cut into the pear itself? I would think going with the latter might provide a little more strength to the glued area. On the other hand, cutting it into the plywood would be easier because I can more easily cut it since one side would be open. Thanks!
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Looking really great Eamonn! Very clean, and I wouldn't have thought this was your "first proper" build I look forward to following your progress!
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Really nice build Patrick, congratulations! Looking forward to your Constitution log.
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Hi everyone, One of my next builds is going to be the Corel Unicorn. I plan to start it in a month or two, but was taking a look at the kit now to see if there are any issues that I might have to address. One is that the keel is slightly warped. The keel is made of either walnut or mahogany, and is a full piece that includes the bow and false keel - areas that will not be planked over. I'm planning on replacing most of the kit wood and going with swiss pear for the hull, which would include the bow and false keel. So, I'm trying to figure out what I should do. I was planning on cutting off the bow and false keel, and building new ones out of pear to attach to the kit's keel. But since the keel is warped, I'm wondering if I should just get myself new plywood since I'm going to be building the bow and false keel anyhow (rather than trying to straighten out the keel from the kit). My gut is telling me that I should just go ahead and reconstruct the keel so I don't have to worry about warpage. I have a scroll saw, so I think I should be able to cut a new one out without much problem. Does anyone think this is the better course? If I was to stick with the original keel, to un-warp it, do you soak it and clamp it between two straight boards for a few days? One more question - when constructing the bow and false keel, should I make them slightly larger so that the rabbet is cut into the pear, or should I construct them so the rabbet line ends at the plywood (i.e., the rabbet would be cut into the plywood)? My Caldercraft kit had walnut pieces for the bow and false keel and I believe took the latter approach which seems reasonable to me, but I thought I would see if anyone had a better suggestion. Alternatively, should I just reconstruct the keel out of a single piece of pear, so that I don't have to worry about cutting out separate pieces for the keel out of plywood, and the bow/false keel out of pear? I wasn't sure if pear is solid enough to serve as the keel when most kits I've seen use plywood. Thanks in advance!
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Hi Ponto, Le Renommee is a gorgeous ship. Congratulations - would love to follow your progress on here as you build her
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Hi John, thanks very much for the replies and for the pictures. Very cool stuff, gives me a lot to think about. On the kit wood and fittings, I noticed that they weren't of very good quality. Disappointing, but since I got the kit for a good deal and am planning to scratch a lot of the items anyway, I'm not too bothered I guess. Thanks again John - will start my build log in a few weeks
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Hi John, thanks very much for the kind words. I should be starting the Morgan alongside the Unicorn probably in another 6-8 weeks or so. I'm taking my time right now to do a little research for the build, and wait for some upgraded lumber. I love all the details and improvements that you can add to the whaler (and ones that you are adding in particular), so am really looking forward to it. I'm thinking that I'll add full sails to the ship, and maybe move one of the whaleboats to the crane. I even have been toying with the idea of a diorama, with a couple of whaleboats in the water and one on the crane, but that might be a little too ambitious. My original goal was to avoid using paint at all on the build, and to stick with ebony/african blackwood for the black areas of the hull, holly for the masts and spars and detail pin striping, maple for the deck, and boxwood for the bulwark planking and deck houses and other items. Going with ebony or african blackwood was going to be prohibitively expensive though (along with the practical difficulties of those woods being toxic and difficult to work with), so now I've decided to go with dyed pear instead. I'm still trying to figure out if holly would work out for the white areas of the ship. I might have asked you this before, but when I look at pictures of the Morgan, it looks like the deck is a natural oak-ish color, and the bulwarks, deck houses, etc. seem to be painted a yellow ochre color. Was that your impression? I'm thinking that I could use maple for the deck, and use boxwood to represent the areas painted yellow ochre. Any thoughts on whether that would be roughly representative of the Morgan's color scheme? Thanks again!
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