Kevin Kenny

Video 47 at 9.04 is the first reference to the location of the pins.

Video 64 again discusses issues with the bitts and their location to the beam. I have a feeling I remade it at this point in time.

just went back in the build to page 8 of the build log Video 50, time 7.33 discusses the same issue you are having. it seems what I did was make up the bottom slots for the beam and as I added the beams made the adjustments in the pins. ill look again and see if there is any other reference 

Harry this was quite a while ago and the pieces are now stuck in the model. I made a number of mistakes until I got the beams installed.once the beams are installed you can make the measurements off your model. If you look in  my draw you’ll see the results my many mistakes. I think because everyone’s model is slightly different they did not give detail dimensions. I remember having lots of discussions with Greg on this . It was after this I started keeping a written log.

Here is the video.

https://youtu.be/s9ijhvTunn4

Unfortunately i was not keeping a written journal at the time, but here are my notes.

Completed. 

Henry the key was to install the deck beams and then follow the plan.ill check the videos as i know its covered 

18 and 19 complete

Every time i tried to do  something like you have done i find the only way i can make them is to simulate them. Mine are  not functional like yours . You are a master sir.  I have long thought of going to work in a jewelry shop. I did have a friend build a spot soldering machine for me but it did not work that well. I should have forked out the $600 and purchased it directly.  Keep up your fantastic internal work.

kevin

The details are fantastic. Perhaps slightly out of scale but at these sizes its almost impossible to get this absolutely right. In many  cases if the scale was correct i don't think the pieces could be built. One of the models i submitted recently for judging,  one of the points i was heavily criticized for was as the hole size for the seine in the boat was  too small. It was the best i could find, and yes it was smaller than the real size for the  seine , but the only other option was to leave the seine out  all together. It was a fishing boat that used a seine so i am not sure what sense that would have made. 
i am rambling.  Makes me wish i had done this with the Thorn. 

I would love to see the link if you come across it again

Its wonderful to see your handy work Michael. I have kept away from metal work so far but would love if someone would share their knowledge in this area. I always wondered how those brass wind scoops or air ventilators were made. My guess its some extension to what you have done here.

I did the port side in the video. This was the starboard side, so it now complete

Its done

Fitted, took 3 hours to carve the piece.

This could be why some of the main deck layout  is different. Ill have to go back and read Hahns comments on the build. He covers the model extensively in the book.

According to Lyon it says” the earlier ship of the class had what appeared to be  a ‘two level’ stern like larger twin deckers, with windows on two separate levels. the Janus was one of these.  In the case of the Ulysses this is uncertain.those ships marked with *** are those for which the stem is uncertain. “

Thank you Allan for taking the time to do the search. As i get closer to the build i plan to purchase all of the plans for the class. I am going to build the Ulysses not the Janus and as luck would have it there are no references to her in the NMM plan collection. I did not know about the build log and agree that will be very useful. I also want to find the accident report to complete my research. When she was wrecked there was no loss of life and much of the rigging was removed and salvaged so there should be a report somewhere which details the wreck and salvage. The local newspaper should have something in our archives here in Trinidad but i have not gone there yet to see if copies of the newspaper exist for the date following the accident. 

Also i am interesting in find any original data in the NMM archives on the invasion of Trinidad in 1797 by the British as the Ulysses played a key role being the  first ship to land troops on land, led by my ancestor Chevalier deVerteuil, a french mercenary. 

Years ago i was able to purchase a copy of the Sailing Navy list by David Lyon which help greatly with research on British  ships. 

in terms of Hahns plans i am told that his plans are excellent and extremely accurate. Its just for me to decide on the scale and any changes re the stern. It seems that there was some variation as to how the stern was  treated. I am hoping that when i get all the maritime museum plans that I may find reference to the Ulysses. Perhaps even in the build notes you reference. This is what happen with the build of the Thorn when i was able to find reference to her in the NMM frame layout plan that David and Greg did not pick up. Sometimes research can be as much fun as building the model. 
Cheers

Kevin

Long ahead of you. I purchased Harold Haha’s book which details his build of the Robuck and later purchased his plan from his family. So this model is the next in line. One of the ships the HMS Ulysses brought my ancestor to Trinidad in 1797. So imagine  my surprise when i discovered her sister ship sunk in Trinidad in 15 ft of water. When i do find a permanent home for  the artifacts i plan to donate the model. I will also arrange an extensive detailing of the wreck site. Unfortunately the site has been ravaged by divers over the years so it is of little archaeological value today. All the cannons are there but the anchors are long gone. The sea bottom is littered with brass dowels.  I have been contacting many of the divers who have picked the wreck over the years and thats how i have been recovering the artifacts. Unfortunately my wife is not as pleased as i am, as large pieces of brass are appearing at home and do not match our decor.
I haven't decided on the scale of the model, Hahn’s plans are 1/8’ but i have enjoyed building in 1/4” with the Swan. If i were to keep the  model at home or pass it to my kids it should be 1/8 but if it goes on public display 1/4 would be much better. I still have time as i feel the HMS Thorn will take most of this year to complete.

Other artifacts recovered from the wreck site which were donated by divers that had collected over the years.