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Cathead

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  1. Phil, I think there's a basic different in perspective operating here. I think you're focusing on what's "best" for the model, i.e. what produces the most perfect results regardless of effort or fuss. To me, and possibly Chuck (though I don't want to speak for him), what's more important in a beginner's build is what's "best" for the modeler even if it means a slight lowering of the model's standards. Most beginners aren't going to care about a very slight flex in the bulkheads as they fair and won't notice any difference in the finished model if it's not museum-quality straight. They are more likely to care about how easy and enjoyable the process is while they're deciding whether or not they like this hobby; if they do, they'll have plenty of time to learn to make things fussily perfect. Thus, a few minutes gluing strips along the top gets the beginner 95% of the way there with far less fuss and is good enough for 95% of beginners. With all respect, I think you're trying to make a perfect model here when that's not really the priority of most beginners, and that may be why you're getting some dissent/feedback on some of the more intricate or fussy methodological choices. I don't think you'd be getting any pushback from commenters if this was simply your own build and you were doing your darndest to make it perfect. But in this case, I wonder whether sometimes the perfect is the enemy of the inspiring.
  2. Shean, Welcome! I grew up in Wayne County (along Lake Ontario between Rochester and Syracuse) and my stepfather is a woodworker/cabinet-maker there. I'm a serious riverboat afficionado and you'll find several folks on here with extensive knowledge, particularly regarding the Chaperon. I'm so glad you chose that as your build, it's the most accurate riverboat kit out there (especially compared to some of the fanciful European versions). There are several very good build logs of Chaperon that you could peruse as a reference, and a few years ago I started a general riverboat thread that has accumulated a variety of interesting subjects. Here are just a few links; using the search function will turn up several more: Riverboat thread Chaperon by Blighty Chaperon by Mike Dowling User Kurt Van Dahm is an expert on the Chaperon and pretty much anything else riverboat-related; if he doesn't find your build, go to his profile and send him a direct message. I hope you start a build log so we can all follow your progress. Welcome to MSW!
  3. It looks good overall. You've got a few places where the plank's going to be almost gone by the time the hull is smooth. I believe the hull is still open at the top; you might want to consider spreading a bit of wood filler on the inside in such places to thicken and strengthen the planking before you accidentally sand or break through an especially thin spot. For example, those few planks right at the bow and stern that are especially offset along the edges. I love the process of sanding down a hull, it's amazing how good it starts to look as a smooth hull emerges from the rough initial form.
  4. Phil, did there seem to be any risk of the alcohol seeping farther down than intended and loosening the glue holding the bulkheads to the keel? How did you assess the right amount to avoid that potential problem?
  5. Chuck, on the rigging, I wasn't talking about the horse and tiller (although that debate came up in my thread and it's interesting) so much as the actual standing rigging and sheets. As the cont. model is rigged, it's literally impossible to raise and lower some of the sails, as I diagrammed in the thread I started on the subject. If you look at that rigging plan as an actual sailor would, it simply can't work. It's simpler than a functional rigging plan and looks fine if you don't think about it, but there's no way the sails as-rigged in the model could be used to actually work the boat. I agree with you that any given builder can care more or less about such details, but given the care taken in designing many other obscure parts of such kits, it makes sense to me to at least consider the functionality of a design. For example, if a cont. model showed a cannon placed directly behind a set of shrouds, there's no way we'd want to include that in a new model whether or not it matched the original model because it simply couldn't work. I agree with Mark and Al overall, it seems to me that function is more important than fidelity, though you make a fine and eloquent point about contemporary models as art rather than strictly accurate models. I guess I'd rather see a model that taught the builder more about how things actually work in the original rather than how an unknown modeller/artist represented them once. And a possibly necessary disclaimer, none of this is personal criticism. You do something few of us are capable of, and I highly respect that. But when you ask for input on model development, that's what you get!
  6. Steve, not necessarily. If you're trying out a hobby for the first time and bought the longboat for $50, you're adding 40% of the model's cost to buy a $20 rotary tool that you'll only use briefly on this model and that you won't necessarily use again if the hobby doesn't suit you. Not everyone has comfortable retiree money and even basic tools add up fast. Phil's absolutely right to be keeping tools to a minimum given his stated goal of introducing this model to beginners. I've used a rotary tool exactly twice in all the models listed in my signature, and I only have that one because it happened to come in a box of tools I bought for a few bucks at an auction. A real scrounger could likely find a cheap deal, too, but again the point is to not demonstrate methods that require such things.
  7. Richard, Phil's trying to do this with a minimum of purchased tools, a goal I highly support as expense is a real barrier for many people. Thus using a Dremel would violate that since many people don't have one and shouldn't have to in order to build a beginner model.
  8. Sail-making is a very interesting group project idea. I would be interested in that specifically, but would not be interested in making another longboat, especially a large one (though I'm sure it's a great model). Would it be possible to join in just for the sail-making part? I'd also be interested in a further discussion of the rigging for that craft, as I just don't think the provided design could work in real life even though I know Chuck based it on a contemporary model (see this thread in which I worked out a new rigging plan for the longboat).
  9. I agree with Chuck, using strips over the top worked perfectly for me. There may have been a minuscule amount of movement toward the lower parts of the bulkheads but it made absolutely no different in the quality of the result or the fragility of the model. It certainly didn't matter for a beginner-level result. If someone insisted on using the blocking method, at the least they should avoid gluing them in and just let the natural pressure of the bulkheads hold them in place. Maybe some masking tape (or strips) over the top for extra solidity. As for removing them, your floss idea is certainly worth a try. Otherwise Don's idea sounds best (carve it out with a Dremel), whether or not it violates the rules of the build.
  10. Fantastic! I should have been more clear, I meant that I hadn't found any commercially available plans (my past web searches hadn't turned up that NRJ article). So good to know that those resources exist. Even if this doesn't turn into an NRG project, I'll be tempted to try this on my own (the version shown above is pretty rough).
  11. Kurt, I don't, I haven't been there. The idea of a stern with great cabin, etc. is a great one too. I love the interior of ships and far too few models really explore that aspect.
  12. For any novices that may find the build board daunting (as I do), there are a couple simple approaches that will get you almost all the same accuracy for a fraction of the fuss. Using metal T-squares and clamps will let you install each bulkhead at 90 degrees to the keel while keeping your total workspace smaller (good for people like me working in their living room). You can also glue a thicker block onto the top of the bulkheads (along with basic stiffeners) and use that to set the model upside down in a rotating work stand. This worked great for me and meant that I could approach the hull at any angle I pleased rather than only at 90-degree angles set by a board; this was also more ergonomic. See this post from my log for photos of what this basic approach looks like. This approach will allow the model to flex a bit more than the very solid build board shown above, but in my experience the difference and potential error was quite minor and well below the threshold that most beginners are likely to care about. I've used a rotating stand like the one in the link above for every one of my models and find that its flexibility and ergonomics far outweigh any loss in rigidity, at least if (like me) you're not going for museum-quality perfection.
  13. I live in central Missouri, and would certainly be willing to help in some R&D given my access to St. Louis museums and the Missouri historical society. I'm just an amateur when it comes to actual model development, but it'd be quite fascinating to be a research assistant for such a project. As far as I know there's no model kit or even plans available for this really interesting and important craft, and it would be a great NRG project to fill that gap. Heck, Chuck, even if you want to make a private kit of this I'd be interested in helping.
  14. This is probably a little too regional/obscure, but personally I think a really unique model would be of the "barge" used by Lewis & Clark as their main vessel on their exploration up the Missouri River. I scratchbuilt a rough version of this when I first started getting into this hobby: It has major historical significance, is similar in size and rough layout to other longboats but is far less redundant, and there is some historical information available on its design and construction. The idea that those guys paddled/dragged/sailed this thing all the way to western Montana from St. Louis still boggles my mind, and it'd be a really neat piece of Americana. Seems no less obscure than some of the regional fishing boats that have been proposed. What do you think?
  15. Thanks for the comments and likes; I certainly agree that I absolutely love the process of turning chaos into order. I'll get back to the machinery (and an explanation of the engine inaccuracies) soon, but this weekend I decided to take a break from that arc of the project and do something quite different. Feeling the need for some motivation/inspiration, I started working out the layout of the main deck superstructure by cutting up an old water-filter cardboard box and using it to make templates for walls and decks. We have no idea what the Arabia really looked like above-decks, as all the superstructure was washed away and there are no drawings or images to my knowledge. The painting at the beginning of this build log is an artists' rendition commissioned by the museum. that is mostly reasonable, so I'm using that as one guide so that my model approximates what people "think" she must have looked like. However, after spending some time browsing the magnificent online collection of steamboat photography hosted by the University of Wisconsin, I've decided to also use the sidewheeler Mary McDonald as another reference. This vessel was built in St. Louis in 1866 and ran primarily on the Missouri River until 1873, long-lived for one of these boats. Although she was built ten years later, she has a very similar hull layout to Arabia and matches the painting pretty closely; everything in her design that I can would be fitting for an 1856 vessel as well. There are four good photographs and a drawing of her, covering many useful angles, making her an excellent reference. You can see all of the available images here; click on each one to get a high-quality zoomable image that really shows good detail. She's also a good match for the preliminary drawings I did of the Arabia's superstructure. So given those resources, below are three shots of how the model looks in mock-up form. On these boats, the deck above the main deck was confusingly called the boiler deck, although the boilers were on the main deck. The oddly named boiler deck tended to be about twice a person's height above the main deck to account for the very large machinery. Above, I've mocked up main deck walls about 13' (4m) high. The flat piece in front is a mockup of the boiler deck, though it's sitting on the main deck level, showing the outline of the main cabin, where the chimneys poke through coming up from the boilers, and the gaps near the front where the staircases will come up from below. If you look closely, you'll see a mockup person for rough scale standing in front of the port engine. Here's a view from above so you can better see the deck layout. The boilers sit right under the main cabin outline, just behind the chimneys. They're actually drawn in pencil on the cardboard, but you can't see that in the photo (the rest is drawn in pen). As noted once before, the wheel axles would not actually cross the hull, I'm just using a single dowel here to help keep things aligned. Here's a stern view that closely matches the angle of this photo of the Mary McDonald. It all looks a little odd right now without the next set of decks and cabins above, but that's as far as I've gotten. It's exciting to envision the full shape and this was a fun, different exercise for the weekend.
  16. Excellent review, thank you. It certainly makes me consider this as a future build, given my Norwegian heritage. I'll look forward to your build.
  17. Fair enough, I was thinking culturally more than politically.
  18. I've just discovered this thanks to your kind comment on my own build. What a lovely project! I have a future dream of building a family-related vessel as well, in this case my wife's grandfather's sailboat from Lake Michigan on which her mother sailed growing up. I think it'd be a neat gift for my MIL. In the meantime, I love the look of this vessel so far. In my office, I have an ink drawing of German merchantmen that I purchased from an art dealer in Switzerland along with a German map of the world from the same period (wife is half-German and I studied it for many years). So it's quite neat to see a build of a German sailing ship. Looking forward to whatever progress you might make!
  19. This looks like a cool project with a creative approach to upgrading this kit. Makes me wonder what I could do with an old plastic kit I have sitting around. Nice detail on your methods so far.
  20. Moving forward on the engine assemblies: Installing these on the cylinder timbers and adding steam drums: Two shots of the finished & painted engines: There are two fairly egregious inaccuracies in these engines compared to the real thing. Can you spot them? Consult the original photos here if you want to try. I'll discuss these in a future post and explain why they happened and why I'm not fixing them. And here are three shots of the engine assemblies placed on the hull (but not attached). This gives a bit of context and scale. Next I decide whether to start on the boilers or the wheels. I'm rather tired of working on machinery but both of those are necessary next steps before I can really move forward with deck planking and superstructure layout. I can't wait to lay the main deck! Thanks for reading, everyone. The beginning of summer has been really hard on my modeling schedule but perhaps the depths of summer will help.
  21. I'm curious why you pursued the fairly complex task of building and inserting spacers between each bulkhead when scrap wood glued along the top of the bulkheads instead provides excellent stability during the fairing process and takes a fraction of the time and fuss to achieve. Perhaps you explained this and I missed it. Also, as this is meant to help educate new builders, isn't the correct term "sheer plank" rather than "shear plank"? Might as well ensure the terminology is as correct as the instructions so no one gets confused down the road. It's not a typo as you've written the latter a number of times.
  22. More progress on the engines. I continue to use whatever I can find in the scrapbox. Not much to say here, just slowly building up the maze of piping and beams that translate steam into motion.
  23. Cool, you're doing Chaperon next? I'll look forward to that. My personal aesthetic eschews any bright colors even if authentic, so I personally would do the Chaperon's deck as a highly weathered red or a duller red-brown, or at least a naturally stained color. But that's just me. Get those railings done!
  24. Lots of fancy railings are definitely a downside to being a riverboat enthusiast (although not all boats had such gimcrackery). Looks like you're off to a good start.
  25. I agree, I'd love to see some builds of Australian river craft. If they were done at a fairly small scale the detail work might not be too bad and the general idea could be conveyed. Someone should go for it!
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