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Hi Byron: She's shaping up nicely. A word on Corel kits - yes the instructions are poor, to say the least, but I've built several Corel kits and I hardly ever used the "instructions" anyway - the plans are all the instructions you need and usually Corel's plans are well done - clear and easy to follow. In many Corel kits I've built there is a parts list at the end of the instruction booklet, and sometimes rigging tables. I found these extremely useful as well. My first step in a Corel build is to go through the parts list and then locate each part on each of the plans its shown on - takes some time, but it's a good way of studying the plans and familiarizing yourself with the model. As I go, I write down the plan sheet number(s) that the items appear on beside the items on the parts list. Have fun with the Endeavour! I've really enjoyed the Corel kits I've built (even the Greyhound, which required a huge amount of bashing), and I imagine the Endeavour is no different. hamilton
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Thanks a lot Greg - I've actually already ordered Volume 1, which I'm very excited to read. Like Brian, this kind of project is some way off for me, but I'm happy to invest the money in bits and pieces here and there as I work up my courage - looking forward to reading through the first volume! hamilton
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Hi Nick: Just catching up here - she's looking great - your deck furniture looks miles above what I was able to achieve on my Phantom. hamilton
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Hi all: I'm not sure if this question is addressed elsewhere, so sorry if it's a repeat (I searched under a few things but came up empty....) Do the first two volumes in the Fully Framed Model series contain plans? Or are there only drawings and photos scattered through the book - I'm assuming no plans (given their availability through Admiralty models and the (former) NMM, but though I'd ask - it has been noted elsewhere, and I'll repeat it (meaning no offence) that it would be nice to see some information on the contents of Vols. 1 and 2 on the Seawatch website....for the interested but not committed buyer.... Thanks hamilton
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Well thew first major milestone has been reached - I've finished the framework - well, finished but for the fairing - and will proceed soon with the first planking. The last parts of the framework were 1. addition of some fillers at the bow 2. addition of a strip on the forward sub-deck to support the aft deck 3. adjustment of inside edges of bulkhead 14 to fit cockpit sub-deck 4. installation of aft deck 5. shaping and installation of stern filler blocks 6. installation of transom pieces atop aft deck 1. Bow fillers I think I mentioned earlier that the foredeck is a little short of the stem at the bow. Just for my own piece of mind and to provide a secure foundation for the margin/nibbing strake, I cut a small piece from the billet on which the sub-decks came, glued it and sanded it to shape - here it is A couple of bow fillers were also placed port and starboard on the false keel - these were shaped prior to installation, though they likely need a tiny bit more work which I'll take care of during the fairing.... 2. Quarter-deck step filler This is a walnut strip 1mm x 4mm, cut to fit between the bulkhead extensions atop the sub-deck at bulkhead 8. Very straightforward. 3. Adjustment of bulkhead 14 In the last post I noted that I forgot to notice that the inside depression on bulkhead 14 was cut too narrowly to accept the circular sub-deck for the cockpit. I only noticed this after the bulkheads were installed....I had marked the points on the bulkhead top where they would need to be cut to be flush with the cockpit opening on the aft sub-deck. Today, I used a combination of an x-acto saw and a scalpel blade to carve out notches and correct the bulkhead 4. Installation of aft deck Again - pretty straightforward - learning from my experience with the foredeck, I decided to drill the pilot holes through the bulkhead and keel tops - this made inserting the small brass nails much easier than it was with the fore deck, though I still had to use a small hammer, since I cannot find my tac hammer anywhere.....No photos of this, but see later ones of the completed framework. 5. Stern filler blocks This was a very involved process. The filler blocks come as 3 4mm thick blocks that must be glued together to form the basis of the stern filler. Two of these blocks have notches cut into them for the rudder/sternpost, while the largest and closest to the underside of the sub-deck has none. I drew a centre line on the topmost one (without the slot) and used that to line them all up - here they are glued and clamped. Once the glue was set, I held up the assembly in place and roughly marked the position of the flat transom area to distinguish it from the curved sides - this was just a rough estimate to get the shaping of the piece started I first used a sanding block to soften the edges and define the flat transom area more clearly. I then threw a sanding drum into my dremel and rough shaped the filler I noticed as I held the piece in place that it did not sufficiently cover bulkhead 15, so I added some small basswood blocks to it and reshaped it to fit - it is still not perfect, but bulkhead 15 will be faired into the fillers, so I'm not too worried. I used the dremel again to work it into a more refined shape, and then a sanding block to ensure the flatness of the transom area - it's really difficult to get a shot of the thing that clearly shows its shape, but..... I then glued and clamped the fillers onto the sub-deck and bulkhead 15 - there was, at this point, still some final shaping to do, but it needed to be on the hull for this to happen so I could ensure a good fit Finally I drew on the edge of the flat transom area on with a pencil - this pencil mark defines the rough location of the aft end of the hull planking and the area of the transom planking. It looks uneven in the photo, but it's not in reality, I swear 6. Installation of transom pieces on deck The kit includes 2 4mm thick pieces that are designed to serve as the transom above decks. I was worried that they wouldn't fit, but they fit perfectly - leaving the required 2mm lip on the outside which will become a prominent feature of the aft end of the hull once the planking is done. That's it, then - the first phase is done, and now it's on to the planking....we'll see how this goes. In the meantime, here's a photo of the finished framework...... Thanks for dropping by hamilton
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Yes, Bob - I'm pretending I'm retired!! And yes, Augie - I'm already appreciating it, though I've learned it needs a bit of finessing to stay true....been putting in some work on America today and made quite a bit of progress - almost finished the framework and starting to puzzle out the planking - always a weak spot of mine, but..... hamilton
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So my wife and sons have been away for a couple of days so I've been able to squeeze in a bit more modelling time since I don't have to wash dishes, make lunches, drive people around, sweep floors, change diapers, help with homework, read stories, and give baths but only have my paid job to worry about.... Since my last update, I've installed the bulkheads (with brace strips), made a building board with an adjustable clamp, and installed the forward deck. Here are some details. Part 1: Installing the bulkheads Before installing the bulkheads, I took measurements of the distance between them all and cut brace strips from some scare 1/8 x 1/8" basswood I had lying around. Cutting these was my first experience of using my new mini chop saw and i have to say that little thing is going to save some time and pain - at least it will when I figure out the finer points of using it....of the 28 strips I cut (14 for each side) only 8 actually fit.....I needed to remeasure and recut - fortunately I have a lot of scrap wood, so things eventually worked out....here are a couple of photos. Bulkhead 15, the aftmost one, has no support behind it so it was a little tricky to install. I placed a small clamp on the sternpost area of the false keel to keep it pushed forward and evened it out (and gave it a bit more forward support) with a couple of my wife's hairbands, which she will never miss. Part 2: Making a building board A little while ago I saw that someone on this forum (and I'm truly sorry I can't remember who) had made a building board with an adjustable keel clamp. I though this was a smart idea (and obvious once I'd seen that someone else had thought of it!), so I figured I'd make one for myself. I went and bought two 1" x 3/16" x 24" basswood strips and one 4" x 1/4" x 24" basswood sheet from a local hobby shop. I marked a centre line on the 4 x 1/4" board and then drew a reference line for the stationary part of the clamp 2.5mm out from the centre on one side. I used one of the 1 x 3/16 strips in its full length as the stationary part of the clamp, mounted on the 4 x 1/4 sheet. The mobile part of the clamp I cut down from 24 to 16" and then marked the positions of 5 evenly-spaced slots. I routed out the slots using a cutting tool in my dremel, mounted in the dremel workstation I bought a week or so ago. Here are the results with the very rough cut slots I then clamped the fixed 1 x 3/16" strip in position and clamped the movable 1 x 3/16 strip hard up against it and marked the far end of the slots on the 4 x 1/4 board, so I would know where to drill holes. The next three shots show this Once the positions of the holes were marked on the building board, I drilled them out from top to bottom with a regular 1/8" bitt. Once that was done, I drilled them up from bottom to top with a counter-sinking bit. Here's a shot of the bottom of the building board Once this was done, I realized that the slots I'd routed in the adjustable clamp were too narrow, so I widened them out with the dremel enough for the bolts to fit through them. I then gave it a test and the bolts fit fine and I could easily move the mobile clamp around and fasten it. I decided to use small screws to fasten the stationary clamp to the building board. I had thought of gluing it but for some reason didn't....Because of the length of screw I was using, I needed to mount small 3/16" thick pads on the stationary clamp at those points where I was going to attach it to the board. You can see them, plus the bolts for the mobile clamp, in this image Unfortunately when I put the screws in, these pads split as did the stationary clamp in some places. This was only minor splitting for the most part, but a couple of the pads split entirely in two. I had to double check the straightness of the stationary clamp to ensure that the splitting didn't create any warping and I also had to sand each of the pads flush with the edge of the stationary clamp using a sanding block. Here is a shot of the keel positioned on the building board Now I can hear you saying that those bolts are too long and they're going to hit up against the hull planking and the thing's not going to sit properly....yes - you're right! Which is why I'm going to go out tomorrow and buy some shorter bolts to replace these. In any case, I'm pretty happy with the results and now instead of building a new building board for every new model, I can just use this! Part 3: Installing the forward deck The final part of the build to round off this update is the installation of the forward deck, which to be honest was a real pain! I've not had issues with fixing decks to frameworks in the past....but I'm getting ahead of myself.... Before installing the deck I wanted to make a pattern of it, so I could properly plan the planking and potentially make a margin/nibbing strake and take patterns for waterways. I traced the deck onto a sheet of graph paper, then laid it on a sheet of bristol paper with carbon paper in between, black side down. I then simply traced the outline of the deck pattern and presto - there is was on the heavier bristol stock, which will act as a template for my decking... Once that was done, I could safely install the deck (I'll make another template in the same way for the aft deck when the time comes....Anyway, normally when I install the sundecks on models, I use stainless steel straight pins to keep the deck in place while the glue sets. In the past I've never had trouble pushing through the sub-deck and into the top edge of keel and bulkheads. But America was being very stubborn and I could not press the pins into it without bending them! At last I resorted to small brass nails, but when I went to look for my tac hammer, it was missing!! One of the boys likely grabbed it for some purpose and I'll find it under someone's bed or behind a bookshelf a few years from now....in the meantime, I ended up using a small hammer to pound in these tiny little nails....absurd!! I ended up bending quite a few of those, too. I don't know whether it's just these Mamoli bulkheads, but they are not easily penetrated!! In the end it got done, but to ensure a good fit, I threw a couple of elastics around the thing....here's a photo Part 4: A discovery After installing the forward deck, I put the aft deck back on dry to put the model away and thought I'd just quickly test the fit of the small circular cockpit sub-deck....when I did, I noticed that it did not actually fit down into the depressed area in the centre sections of bulkheads 13, 14 and 15, as it should....here's a shot to illustrate. It seemed that the bulkhead edges on the inside of bulkhead 14 stuck out too far instead of being flush with the aft sub deck, as they should be. Here's a shot to explain what I mean I laid the cockpit sub-deck in position and marked the inside edges of bulkhead where they cut across the sub-deck. I'll have to trim these edges back in order to properly construct the cockpit....you can kind of see my pencil marks in this photo.... but that's for another day....Anyway, thanks for dropping by and any and all comments, feedback and suggestions are, as always, welcome! hamilton
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Cutter Cheerful 1806 by rafine - FINISHED
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Beautiful planking job Bob - wish I could get results that clean. hamilton- 525 replies
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Great looking rigging Brian - maybe you mentioned it elsewhere here - but did you replace the kit supplied rope? Whatever you're using it looks really nice hamilton
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Hello there: Thanks all for the likes! I feel like I'm setting myself the challenge of making each entry here a little more dull than the last.....let's see how this goes.... I've finally completed shimming up the outside edges of the bulkheads - completed 9-15 this evening. 12 and 15 didn't need anything and the others needed varying degrees of adjustment, with bulkhead 14 being by far the furthest off from the plans. In any case, they're done! Not content to just do that, however, I decided to squeeze a bit more joy out of my evening by making and installing mast mortices. These were cut from some 1/16" basswood sheeting I had lying around from a previous build. And that, my friends, is it!!! No serious problems, no nagging questions, no great leaps of progress....just a bunch of shims and a couple of mortices.....sorry I can't be more interesting.....here are some photos, though.... hamilton
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Like Brian said - I think either way looks good - a really nice looking model! hamilton
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Looks good! My Phantom found its way into the trash after a child-involved accident, so it's nice to see others coming along. Gunther - coppering is not so bad - cheaper than a meditation class! hamilton
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Hi Jason: This is good to know - I have several CC kits on my wish list. The lack of patterns for the bulkheads etc. is not a deal breaker to be sure - especially since it is just as likely that the plans are off as the laser cut parts themselves. I guess with the CC kits you're forced (in a good way) to really attend to the model-as-built. I wonder if lifting lines from a place like an Anatomy of the Ship volume (where one is available as for Diana) would help as a reference - though I suppose once again it's the age old question of accuracy versus workable kit limitations..... hamilton
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Hi Tom: Saw a fresh post, but no pics!!! That's ok....still recovering from the Hannah, though excited to see where you take her. I would never have considered smoking the interior of the bottle - an interesting idea and quite a puzzle.....I'm sure someone will have a suggestion - unfortunately, it's not me!! Looking forward to seeing your progress and hope you get a chance to get back to the table soon hamilton
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Hi Jason: Yes, indeed! Just to ask - does Caldercraft not supply patterns of the laser-cut parts? Such a feature is very useful to have - though not all manufacturers include them it seems - Corel, Model Shipways and Mamoli all do (at least for all the kits I've built/ones on the shelf). Of course, I've also read about (on build logs here) situations where the symmetry of the printed bulkhead patterns was off, leading to questions of where one should place one's trust.... In Frank Mastini's intro to ship modelling book, he lays out a method of testing symmetry using card stock that I believe I may have tried once (on my Brittany sloop) - but it would be interesting to see what other methods kit builders have for doing this..... hamilton
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Arghhh! Danny - I feel like this will be a great idea for me to entertain for the next several (dozen) years.....it will have the company of many other ideas consigned to a similar fate.....but if you issue this as a challenge, then......well that's another story...... Thanks all for your positive comments - they give a lot of heart to a sad modeller. Bye for now and I'll continue to enjoy all of your work hamilton
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Look at that! Great stuff - the ratlines really bring her to life. Nicely done hamilton
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OK - having now said goodbye to the Hannah SiB, I can now focus my attention on America, to which I returned tonight after an absence of over a week. Efforts continue at adjusting the bulkheads. My last work involved shimming the keel and bulkhead faces so that the bulkheads fit snugly on the centre keel. Tonight, I started focusing on the outside edges of the bulkheads, many of which needed shimming to get them to match the drawings. I focused on the forward bulkheads tonight - that is, 1-8, under the fore deck. Of these, only 1, 2 and 5 needed no work. 3, 4 and 6 needed moderate shimming on one edge. 7 and 8 needed significant shimming on both edges. Here's a bit of the process. I first tested each of the bulkheads against the drawings - lining them up to the bulkhead top and keel slot, making sure they were centred. for almost all of them the extensions were really off from the drawings, but since I'm cutting them off, I was only really concerned about the outside edge, which has to hold the planking.... When I was satisfied that the position was good, I made note of whether the edges needed any kind of adjustment. some require trimming, but nothing of the sort that can't be handled during the fairing process, so I wasn't worrying too much about that. But as I mentioned, a lot of them needed a greater or lesser amount of shimming. Here's bulkhead 8, which ended up being one of the more desperate cases..... I used some .5 x 4mm wood left over from the Fair Rosamund planking material (as I may have mentioned) and just glued this to the bulkhead edges (after sanding the wood burn off) with CA.Here's bulkhead 8 again - I ended up having to put another small shim lower down towards the lower end of it and same on the other side. This shot obviously shows it before sanding. I used a sanding block and then just sand-paper in hand to soften the edge and get a smooth flow from the bulkhead edge through the shim and then, testing the piece against plans, cleaned up those bits that need more wood removed until I got a good match. Here's a picture of bulkhead 3 sanded and done (note that where you can see the gap from the drawing on the the inside of the keel slot, I have already placed a shim on the keel, so this is corrected for....) I think I may also have mentioned earlier that the bulkhead bottoms in mid-ships are uneven - they rise at midships from bulkhead 7 through bulkhead 9 in a way that will really wreak havoc on the planking unless corrected. I took some time to mark the bottoms of the bulkheads from 6-10 to get a sense of how things should flow. The bottom of bulkhead 6 is 4mm above the line of the keel, while that of bulkhead 7 was 7mm, 8 was 6mm, 9 was 6mm and 10 was 5mm. Here's a couple of photos I figured that 5mm at bulkhead 10 is ok, since that's where things should start to rise towards the stern. But 7, 8, and 9 all needed to be brought down. I haven't touched bulkhead 9 yet (that's for next session, when I get the the aft bulkheads) but with the shimming, I reduced the space at bulkheads 7 and 8 to 5mm. A bit more shimming is required, clearly, to get them level, but I want to wait until after all the bulkheads are dry fit and I can run a test plank along to see how far up the shims need to go. I suspect that they only need to cover a small space at the foot of the bulkhead.... The other thing I did this evening to pass time while some glue was drying was to mark up the forward deck - centre line and location of bulkhead tops for when it comes to fixing the deck on the framework - I'll add planking references later. To do this I marked a centre line on the drawing, after taking measurements at several places. The line extended both above and below the drawing so when I laid the piece on top of the plans, I could see where the line should do. I made reference marks at the bow end and aft end, and then connected them. Had to re-do the forward part once to bring things over a bit to starboard, but now all is square.... Alright - that's it. Not sure when I'll get back to the build - my weeks are filling up rapidly, and it's likely I'll only have 1 night a week if that from now till Christmas......next session will be similar to this one, so I doubt I'll update the log. Once I've got the bulkheads done up to a point and the decks marked up, I'll start putting the framework together so I'll update then. Meanwhile - happy modelling hamilton
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OK - as promised, here are the results. Tom - I did have fun making this one.....up to a point. Last night and today I found myself promising I would never build another SiB....Building the hull was a lot of fun and very rewarding, but the rigging (which on a larger scale model I usually find very enjoyable) was trying to say the least. Also - I think if I were to do it again (a big if) I would make sure that the bottle I used was much thinner and clearer than the one Amati provided (though in all other respects, Amati's kit was very nicely presented - except maybe the sails, which I should probably have also replaced). Anyways, after letting the epoxy cure overnight, I couldn't resist having a go at a mast raising after breakfast and a coffee (instead of a beer, which was also delayed tonight in favour of wine). I gently pulled on the out lines and it seemed that something was stuck....the main mast wanted to come up but the fore mast was being very stubborn. I realized that the rigging must have been tangled up on the mast somehow (or on one of the yards) but because the glass is so thick I couldn't clearly see what was happening....here's a shot of what I was looking at.... It turned out that the fore course yard had managed to get on the wrong side of one of the outlines. I used the same tool I had used to put the hull in the bottle to work the yard free - it was a bit of a tricky business, but eventually the yard went round the right way.... Then things got a bit worse. I pulled on the out lines further but things were still sticky.....Something was caught that I couldn't see at all. Then I noticed that the foremast itself was bent (likely from my trying to pull the mast up with the out line - I didn't think I was hauling on it that hard!). I couldn't imagine how I was going to straighten it and then also figure out where the snag was.....as I was mulling all this over, I decided to try to use two of the tools together to gently correct the mast. And then disaster struck - the outline that hauls up the main mast snapped off at the hole in the bow sprit where it threads through....I guess it had seen too much action and had had enough.....That ended up being the end of all my correction work. I very quickly dabbed some CA on the remaining out line, set the sails as well as I could without the whole thing collapsing and called it done......Here are the results. Again - I'm proud of my efforts, though not of the results..... In closing, there are a few things to note 1. Building SiB's is hard. Having done this once, I have incredible respect for those who focus on this field of model building. In a year or two a might think otherwise, but for now, I think I would rather watch and enjoy the efforts of others than try to emulate them! Having spent a night with America I can honestly say I'm happy to be back working at a scale more suited to my temperament and abilities! 2. I think I can see a few rookie mistakes in my own process. First and foremost is being impatient to see it in the bottle. When folding the model down to put it in the bottle, I did not really pay much mind to where things were lying. Then, when it was compressed going in the mouth of the bottle and I was (however gently) working it through, things got muddled up. The first time I had it in the bottle, things came up fine - and if it had stuck on the stand that time and the main sail hadn't come off it would have worked out pretty nice. The second time, I think I just wanted to finish - never a good place to be at any stage of any kind of modelling. Another issue was not trusting some of my instincts to begin with - specifically an early concern I had about visibility and the Amati-supplied bottle. There are enough antique shops in town here that I probably could have found something better, but I didn't bother.....I think getting something with a slightly wider mouth and slightly thinner glass would have helped to produce a better result.... 3. As with all models I've made, I've learned something. Perhaps I won't build another SiB, perhaps I will. But I am glad I built one - I think everyone should try it, if only to learn what your limits are!! Thanks for comments and likes as usual and bye for now hamilton
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Thanks for the encouraging words Tom! I'll admit I was being a bit dramatic....a habit. I guess I've been used to each build being closer to the vision I have in my head than the last one that when I hit a hiccup like this it feels like backsliding.....I'm still happy with it all things considered...pics later - and good luck on yours - I'll be following closely hamilton
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