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Cheers Mobbsie! I'm actually gaining quite a bit of confidence - the trick is not gaining too much!! hamilton -
Ummm...didn't you say this was your first model? I can't get results this nice and I'm on my 12th!!!! hamilton
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Thanks ZyXuz - much appreciated! hamilton
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Thanks Ferit, Andy, Augie and BE!! It was definitely worth the effort, though some refinements could have been made - particularly with the window frames....A thinner styrene instead of 1mm x 1mm basswood might have made for a cleaner finish.... In any case, last night I started on the transom and though my mind is a little muddled on how to put it together and finish it off, I'm confident that it will look at least a little better than the horrendous part supplied with the kit..... I will post photos documenting and explaining my approach to building it once it's all done - I've just got the cabin windows and frames completed now and will begin planking it up sometime soon - maybe tonight or Thursday.....hopefully it will be all done by the end of the weekend and I can move on to some more straightforward elements of the build! hamilton
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Wow Mobbsie! You weren't messing around! That would have taken me forever to complete and it wouldn't have looked half as good as yours! Very well done! hamilton
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Hi Jason The knighthead fix is very well done! And it's a good thing that BE clarified the timberhead question (now I can add that to my modelling lore, as well and free myself from many mistakes!). The model now looks even more beautiful than before! hamilton
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Hi Augie - I don't know what you mean by "doesn't look like a whole lot" - looking at your Syren, this phrase literally makes no sense! It looks like a whole lot to me! hamilton
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Good luck with the planking - head down, eyes open, bottle to hand (but not too close!) hamilton
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Beautiful work, Jason! Re, the knightheads - I'm not too sure, but the knighthead's I've seen are normally either side of the bowsprit - it might have been different with the Snake, and it's also possible that I get this idea from exceptional (and potentially incorrect) models! Others can confirm. Also - the timberheads would actually be the ends of the frames, so they wouldn't run in line of the gunports, as far as I know....I wonder if you could cut it off, sand it down, refinish and place the timberhead forward of the gunport...again others can confirm She looks fantastic in any case! hamilton
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Amazing work, as usual Ferit! Isn't it nice to see the ship finally start to move upward? It would be nice to see a profile shot with the mast to get a sense of the height - no pressure, of course!! I know it's far ahead, but are you going to add the sails? hamilton
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Hi Jim - this is really incredible work! The planking looks great and the detail is fantastic. I wish I had read your very simple explanation of how to finish the shields when I was building this model a year ago! Now I know! Keep up the good work! hamilton
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Thanks a lot Andy, Augie, Ferit & Mark! Your compliments mean a lot - especially coming from such great craftsmen. I don't know about going to the dark side......yet....though in secret I've been looking at a couple of lumberyard kits..... Tonight I finished the port side quarter gallery, and so now it's a nice pair. I still have to make the decorative finishing elements on the bottom of both pieces. I'll do this tomorrow. Here's how they currently look on the model. Next up is the transom - I have to say that I feel a lot more confident in making this now that I've made the quarter galleries. It's not going to be incredibly decorative, though I've been on the hunt for things that I could use as decorations in a pinch....Hopefully I'll be able to build the transom in such a way that I can add elements (if I find them) later but if I don't it'll still look ok.... Until next time hamilton
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Thanks Mark! - I've managed now to (almost) finish the starboard side quarter gallery and am very happy with the results. I cut all the parts for both quarter galleries at the same time to ensure they will be of equal size. And I'll wait until both are complete before attaching them to the hull....Here's the process Each quarter gallery is built up out of 7 strips - 2 5mm x 5mm strips for the roof and the lower part; 2 5mm x 3mm strips as a false backing for the windows; 2 6mm x .5mm strips for the sill and head of the windows; and 1 3mm X 1mm strip for a finishing strip on the top. I shaped all the pieces according to a curve I determined. I then shaped the pieces to get the appropriate cant into the quarter gallery. Next step was to finish the pieces - I stained the rood and the bottom piece and all other parts were painted black. I then assembled it and added posts using 2mm x 2mm walnut. Finally, the window frames were added using 1mm x 1mm strip wood, painted white Here is a comparison between the kit supplied part and the one I made. I still need to add a fnishing piece at the bottom, which I will attempt to make out of sculpy, since I need to do some shaping and my carving skills are nonexistent. Tomorrow I'll do the port side quarter gallery, and then spend the following night making the sculpy finishing pieces and designing the scratch built transom....lots of fun ahead! hamilton
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Hi Mark: Just took some time to read through your log - very impressive! I'll be following with interest hamilton
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Funny you mention that, Mark - I almost glued the roof of the starbard side quarter gallery to the model, thinking that it would be easier to get a sense of proportion and install the windows & bottom part afterwards - but something held me back, fortunately! The good news is that I've already transferred the basic outline of the port side quarter gallery onto the appropriate wood stock. I think I will attempt to build up the quarter galleries before installing them rather than constructing as I install the components....There are a couple of elements I'm still trying to wrap my head around.....very tricky hamilton
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Thanks Andy - there's a model train specialty store close to me that carries styrene - I may go that route. Mark - actually, you were on the money since Goodwin shows both quarter galleries and quarterbadges.....our house is in a bit of disarray at the moment with the painters having essentially taken over our main living area....so no modelling in my immediate future as impatient as I am to continue with the quarter galleries....I managed to construct a roof for the starboard side quarter gallery last night, and while I'm happy with the shape, I'm not sure about the scale - it might be a tad too big....so I might re-make it starting whenever I can get back to the bench.....until then....hope the rest of you are having fun hamilton
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Thanks Andy - it seems relatively straightforward - did you use styrene for the molding/window frames? If so where did you get it in such small dimensions? Thanks again! hamilton
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Great suggestion, re adhesive backed foils - I actually have a long strip of 1/4" copper adhesive that would suit - a bit of paint and it could work well. I may not be able to get to any attempts for a couple of days - we're prepping my workshop our living room/dining room for painting.... hamilton
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Well I just took a look at Andy's Pegasus log and his method of building up the quarterbadges....I do not feel confident that I could replicate this with the same stunning results, though the quarterbadge illustrated in Goodwin is much simpler....I may have a stab at both the simplified quarterbadge and the quarter gallery depicted above and see which I like best....to be honest this is a new approach to modelling for me, where usually I just throw on whatever's there! It's quite nice and somewhat more relaxing hamilton
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Thanks all for the comments! And to Mark and BE for the guidance - much appreciated! Mark - the plans supplied by Corel are horrendous, and there is no perspective drawing at all of the quartergallery - though it seems that they have modelled their metal part on the drawing from Goodwin reproduced above....I took a look at the instruction booklet for the MS Constitution, and the assembly drawing included there for the Conny quarter galleries could serve as a starting point for reproducing the design shown in Goodwin's book - all I would need to do is re-calibrate the dimensions...but this kind of design would work well. BE - I will look at Andy's technique for the Pegasus...From my research it seems that the quarterbadge is more typical of the c.1719 era, while over the period toward the middle of the 18th c. these began to mutate towards the full quarter galleries - at this stage, the 6th rates also went through other modifications that are NOT represented in my build (such as an extended quarterdeck, the ship's wheel moved up onto the quarterdeck, a squared-off beakhead bulkhead, roundhouses at the bow, etc.). I'm tempted to go with the quarterbadge for historical reasons, my only hesitation being the high degree of decorative detail - I don't have Goodwin with me here, but if I'm right, the drawing you're referring to is of a quarter badge that looks very much identical to the one on Pegasus/Fly. My skills are so primitive that I can't imagine the results would be good....there is a drawing in Goodwin of a simpler quarterbadge that might work... I have some sculpy kicking around in my "modelling drawer" so I may have a go at the decorative element at the bottom if I go for the quarter gallery....I might be able to get the look of the semi-circular tiles with some simple carving - how would they have been finished, do you think? Would they just have retained the colour of the lead with no finishing? Anyway, thanks all once again for the input - it is great to find such encouragement coming from so many distant quarters of the world! hamilton
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Now for the question(s).... I'm faced with the prospect of having to scratch build both the transom (which I had expected) and the quarter galleries (which I should have expected)...The metal transom is very badly done altogether and while the quartergalleries are not bad, they do not fit very well and would also clash (I think) with a scratch built transom.... So I've looked at the drawings in Goodwin's book, and here is the one that I think I will try to replicate: This is the simplest of the several quarter galleries that Goodwin pictures, which is kind of why I chose it....Anyway, I've never done this kind of thing before, and I have several problems with moving from the drawing to a 3-dimensional installation. 1. This is the only drawing in the book and it does not show any other perspective....so I can't get a sense of the real shape - I can make a guess based on the drawing, but it may take several attempts to work out the details.... 2. I'm thinking of carving it out of three solid blocks - one for the "roof" section, one for the window section and one for the lower section, fitting the moldings separately. Does this sound realistic? The decorative element at the bottom....I'm not so sure....I was actually thinking of sawing the bottom off the metal piece supplied with the kit and using that since it is roughly the same shape (though with more decorative elements)....feel free to let me know that this is a bad idea.... 3. The drawing gives no indication of how it should be finished.....the upper part is in line with the section of the bulwark planking that is painted blue...but I feel like it would be weird to paint it blue....I thought of painting this black, but this might not work either, since the moldings (which are roughly continuous from the moldings on the hull that extend from the cap rail and plank shear) are also black....so maybe I should keep the moldings black and stain the upper and lower part of the quartergalleries? Thoughts? The taff rail will be black, like the other rails.... -- As for the window area, I was going to blacken behind where the windows are, use 1mm x 1mm walnut, finished white, for the frames, and use dark walnut for the posts, with possibly some treated brass strips laid over the posts for an extra decorative element.... Anyway, any guidance or enlightenment you can provide based on these slender details would be greatly appreciated..... I was going to ask about the transom, too, but maybe I'll leave it with this first before moving on to that next challenge....thanks again to all in advance! hamilton
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Ok - a small post after a bit of progress followed by another post with a question or two for you all.... I've now finished planking the deck, which brings my planking pretty much to a close (except for building up the transom)...Yay!! The next phase - hull, deck and bulwark detailing has begun.... My first step was to add the margin planks at the forecastle and quarterdeck, using 1mm x 3mm walnut - pretty basic stuff here....measure, cut, glue. I then added two half-bulkheads beneath the forecastle as outlined in Goodwin's Anatomy of the Ship. I tried these a couple of nights ago using quite thin (1/32") basswood sheet, but the basswood kept splitting and the one unit that I finished looked awful. So then I decided not to make this particular feature..... But (in a rare moment) I decided that it would really detract from the build if I did not include this small element, so I had another go and am quite pleased with the results - i used 1/16" basswood sheeting for the backing, 1mm x 2mm walnut for the frames and 2mm x 2mm walnut for the posts. Next I added the moldings around the hatch openings using 1mm x 2mm walnut. I also added the waterways on the main deck using 1/16 x 1/16" basswood filed and sanded into a roughly triangular section and painted red as with the bulwarks. It is very hard to notice on a cursory glance, but I think it turned out quite well.... Here are the photos.... hamilton
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Hi Mobbsie: I've coppered only 2 hulls in my time - the Phantom and the Kate Cory. I didn't really worry about gore lines (though if I had read this log I might have taken a different approach). So far, your coppering looks great. Make a pot of tea and a sandwich or two and keep on going! hamilton
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I'm a little late in adding my praise to your log but here it is - amazing work, sir! hamilton
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Yet more impressive work Ferit! Can't wait to see the rigging once it gets going! hamilton
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