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It depends on the era. Below are contemporary models as examples where neither were used. Pins were used for eons, but did not come into common use, at least on British ships until the second half of the 18th century.
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Ross There are both text and detailed drawings of the jeers for the lower yards, ties of the topsail yards, and halyards of the topgallant and royal yards in Lees Masting and Rigging. These are for British ships, but the explanations should be a help if you cannot find anything on line. Allan
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Please follow up on how well this material stays in place and holds its finish. Thanks for posting this. Allan
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Yes it can, but not necessarily. If I had to start over I would probably wait until I could afford a kit, specifically the the Grand Banks dory but I had neither the money nor the choices we have today so it was jump in with both feet and a few hand tools. Look at the kit build logs for the simpler builds, then decide what suits your needs. Your location in the world may affect your decision on which kit to get as shipping time and costs can be a factor. One other thing that many members miss out on. There are many great tutorials in the Articles Database here at MSW that can of great benefit in how to do some things, and as importantly, what not to do. Allan -
Spoken like 50% of us Floridians, Whichever, I wonder if for faster working liquid, should we eat a few hard boiled eggs before you go to bed, or at least the egg whites as that is where the HS comes from. Allan
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Welcome to MSW Keith Do you get a fair share of the oysters??? That is important,,,,,,,, if you are like me and love oysters. Allan
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The hydrogen sulfide in the hard boiled eggs makes sense. Hydrogen sulfide metabolite trimethylsulfonium is found in urine so it all makes sense. .... I think...... they both will discolor copper as well as other metals. I feel like I am in chemistry class back in high school! Allan
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As the bend is modest you can use strip wood. If there is a molding pattern on the inboard and/or outboard edges make them before bending the strips. Make a jig that is the cut to the shape of the bend the entire length, soak the strips (not totally necessary) , clamp them so they are bending around the jig and heat them with a hot air gun, hair dryer, or iron. Heat it as high as you can without scorching the wood. Once they are cooled down and dry they will hold their shape and be symmetrical. This method is shown in the YouTube videos made by Chuck Passaro that many folks use for even tight bends. Allan
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Alistair, Thanks for posting this in this forum as well. I think a lot more folks will see it and benefit. Please take this as a compliment when I say for me this is by far the most interesting/unusual/bizarre/extraordinary subject I have seen here in a long time and happy that you posted it. Allan
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How an 18th Century Sailing Battleship Works
allanyed replied to Tossedman's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Montaigne, While it obviously took a lot of work to make this video and it really does look nice and something most of us could not produce, it does give out some misinformation. In addition to showing air ducts which I am pretty sure never existed in the 18th and 19th century ships of the line, some other examples are the flat deck beams, stating that lines are coated in black tar, and incorrect rigging of the breech ropes. This may have been changed on the modern day version but looking at a contemporary plan of Victory, the video has the galley stove in backwards. Allan -
How an 18th Century Sailing Battleship Works
allanyed replied to Tossedman's topic in Nautical/Naval History
Interesting video that obviously took a lot of effort to put together and as you point out, some terminology inaccuracies. At time mark 2:48, Jake states there are wooden air ducts fore and aft. This was a new one for me. I have never seen or heard of this on any contemporary plans or written sources. I suspect that if they are there, they are a modern contrivance. Anyone know if these were really on the Victory or any other ship back in the day? Allan -
Please accept my sincere thank you for your years of service Joe. Welcome aboard! You will get as much advice and as many opinions as there are members so be prepared😁 Allan
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A bit more on this. Of course you can get any of thousands of drawings that are shown on the RMG Collections site in high resolution as well, but they are costly. For the Wiki Commons site, there are about 800 high res drawings and another 2000+ in low res. I have assembled all of the high res drawings into 30 folders by type of vessel, including number of guns, &c. so it is much easier to navigate than the website. The folders include mainly the contemporary plans but there are also a few contemporary contracts in the appropriate folders. For example in each folder there are the subfolders for each ship. In the subfolder for Elephant 1786 there are the high res drawings as well as a transcription of the original contract which gives her scantlings. I offered them to MSW a couple years ago so they could make them accessible for all members to use and add to it to allow it to grow, but there are other priorities, which I fully understand. The full set is about 45 GB at this point. Allan
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Where there is a will there is a way! This is definitely one for the books. Please do post about this "technique" in the building, framing and plating forum here at MSW. Collecting from a horse, or..... I would go with the self-help method. Allan
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Glad to be of help! Everyone willing to help one another is one of the top reasons to belong to this great site Allan
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The details in the coaming and head ledge corners, gratings, gun port linings, and deck furniture are very well done. Allan
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The free plans on the collections website at RMG are low res. If you are interested in 6 very high resolution plans from RMG at no cost, go to the first page on the Wiki Commons web site and go down to the Ardent 1764, the class of which included Agamemnon 1781. https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Ship_plans_of_the_Royal_Museums_Greenwich Allan
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Just a tiny bit of history, The Willie Bennett was built in 1899, but the design is pretty much the same as the last skipjack to be built before motors were permitted and could be used two days per week starting in 1965. They did vary in length from their inception, ranging from about 40 feet to 50 feet. A visit to the museum at St. Michaels is a very pleasant way spend a day or two. The yard allowed me to take a piece of an old skipjack keel that had been removed and was being replaced. A few parts made from that old piece of keel went into two models I built of skipjacks. Allan
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IF, and this is a big if, the sails are the same or at least close to those of British ships, the following should be very useful. Lacking actual contemporary drawings of each of the sails, David Lees' book gives details on the sizes of sails. For the "square" sails he describes how to determine the width of the head, width of the foot, depth at the leech as well as details on the reinforcing pieces and more. He describes how to size all the various fore and aft sails as well. He notes that the information he presents is based on David Steel's The Art of Sail Making as Practiced in the Royal Navy 1796. Either book should serve you well. Hopefully other members can make further recommendations. Allan
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Jim What vessel? The size of the panels, seams, reinforcing pieces, and more are available depending on what vessel. Allan
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Senior moment on my part Eberhard. I don't know where my mind was........... Allan
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Endeavour . Back stays and Running Breast backstays
allanyed replied to DaveBaxt's topic in Masting, rigging and sails
Hi Dave, It is great to see you doing this research, especially looking at multiple sources. It seems nothing is 100% for sure in this hobby of ours, but I would think that it is better to trust the information you found that is based on contemporary sources. Allan -
Cutters originated at Deal and were clinker built according to W.E. May in The Boats of Men of War, pp 32 and 34 and Lavery in The Arming and Fitting of English Ships of War, p223. Lavery comments that only cutters built for foreign service were normally carvel built. I wonder if this is because they were built in foreign yards or at least in yards other than at Deal. According to research done by W.E. May, quarter davits came into use about 1790 from which two cutters (probably 24 footers) were hung. Regarding stern davits, an order was given to abolish them in 1798 but it was largely ignored. Lavery, page 237. Allan
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Other than painting, how does one blacken stainless steel or carbon steel? Thanks Allan
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Welcome to MSW Tony. Please post an intro about yourself in the new member forum. 🙂 CA changes the color of the rope where it is applied, and it can be prone to breakage as Ross mentions because it has low shearing strength. I believe diluted white PVA or shellac are the most commonly used as they work well and are very easy to loosen with IPA. (not the beer, the solvent 😁) Allan
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