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Congratulations Chris that really is a beautifully made ship.
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Just a quick update - I've now rough finished and loose fitted one of the parts. I cut the dove tails on the mill and they needed just a little adjustment to fit onto the beams I also roughed out the inner bevel partly to make the piece slightly more flexible to fit the curve of the deck. It actually fits ok and pretty much just clicks into place but it will fit a lot better once clamped and glued. It will require a little blending into the adjoining pieces. The bevel will get its final shape once the inner waterway is made and fitted and also the bulwark plank above. So far so good - and it's nice to be moving forward again. I'm starting to feel a lot more positive regarding these parts. I'll update again once the rest are completed Cheers Mark
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I'm actually starting to get there - One of the pieces took me four goes to get right. I discovered that if the bevel angle between the beam and frame is wrong the dove tails on the beams will not line up to the tune of about 2mm out. So after much sawdust I've now got the roughed out pieces to sit right on the beams. This actually doesn't look like much but I've found this difficult - Its like working upside down and I think it's one of those parts that you need to make to see what I mean. So a couple of pictures. I think these pictures give a better idea - here's the transition of one part from one end to the other So I've now marked out the dove tails as best that I can and that will be my next job of cutting them out. I've also cut the holes for the scuppers which was not a great success - I've drilled them at a very shallow angle and also burnt the wood in the process. All is not lost here though as they will need lining with pewter in the manger so I can hide my mistakes then. As always you get the successes and the errors with me! So the milling machine is coming out tomorrow and hopefully they will fit ok. If you think that my marking out is a bit rough I kinda have my own method that I understand once I get cutting. Cheers Mark
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Thanks for the vote of confidence - These really are not easy pieces to make if you want them to fit correctly. I'll get there I know that I will but I've scrapped two attempts but my third is just about spot on. Hi Keith and thanks mate! The forward piece is about 340mm long and the rear 300mm long. They are a simple butt joint and thank goodness for that! Over the length of the forward part the angle changes over its length by about 18 degrees. It's quite difficult to describe in words but you have to work upside down with your measurements as the widest part is at the bottom. Its tricky but I will do this.
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Thanks Dave This is not really an update as I'm not that much further forward. I've finished my decorating and have been putting quite a few hours into Le Rochefort. I've just hit a hard bit of the build for me and it's taking time. I have incorrectly been calling these parts the waterway, but when having referred to the drawings they are in fact the spirketting which I guess makes up part of the waterway. Goodness me this is a hard piece to make correctly at this scale. I need the pieces to sit squarely on the beams and also have the correct angle from the clamp to the frame. They also have to follow the shape of the hull so it's a changing 3D puzzle. They are roughly 9mm square and if the shape isn't right and I clamp them in place (force them) I can foresee unnecessary stresses being built up in the hull. Here's a picture that explains what I'm trying to achieve. Width "A" is not a constant - It varies throughout its length. To make things even more exciting angle "B" also varies along its length from being 90 degrees square to a negative 18 degrees. Anyway I will get this done it's just taking a lot of time to do correctly. I like to share these issues so that other builders can see the problems that I encounter along the way. Cheers Mark
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Welcome mate from another UK builder 😀
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Thanks druxey another hurdle sorted in my build Thanks BW - I found the hardest part of making this piece was keeping it flat on the beams and breast hook. It would have been easy to force it into place with clamps and I guess it would look the same once glued in. But the challenge for me was to make it fit like it dropped into place and was snug on its adjoining joints. I was really hoping to make the next piece along out of a straight piece of timber and bend into shape. Unfortunately at 9mm x 9mm square its not going to happen so I'll fashion the next pieces too..........well after my decorating is done 😆 Thanks all for the nice comments too 👍
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Wow! I think your going to miss working on this beautiful ship when its finished after the small boats are made.
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Hi All Another update from me - before the nailing I decided to have a go at the waterway first. So here's the first part of my journey trying to make the waterway around the bow. My first effort went in the bin! I made two pieces that fitted very nicely around the hawse timbers but I made them too narrow. Here's a picture of the plans and how I made my error. I used the measurement "A" which completely failed to take into account the thickness of the planking that sits above it. Below - The binned parts and the incorrect measurement that I used. So after a quick message to Gerard Delacroix I got back onto the right track and realised that due to the camber of the pieces I needed to take my measurements from the underside to get the correct thickness. So I made the same pieces again but left them much wider. I first fitted the outside to the hull and then placed my templates on the underside to get the correct thickness (I hope this makes sense) It was only then that I sanded the inside of the parts to shape and this worked quite well. Next I needed to cut the matching dovetails so that they fitted to the beams. I couldn't get a pencil in to mark them so I used the plans instead. I placed the parts onto photocopy so that I could see how the beams lined up. I then cut out the dovetail templates and glued them onto the waterway parts. All of the templates are upside down as if you are looking through the part. Now this may seem a bit extreme but I couldn't see the point of going to loads of trouble to make the dovetails on the beams of the waterway parts did not fit tightly. Next I milled out the dovetails. It was all worth it as I got a very nice fit. Next I marked out and sanded the bevel into the face of the parts and this is the result They should be ok once clamped and glued permanently but I have to say these are not easy parts to make and get a good fit. I've got to do some decorating at home now for the next couple of weeks so I'll get some more up on the build when I can Cheers Mark
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Hi Toni - thanks very much 👍 Not too much of an update but I've been installing the deck permanently - It really did just click together with very little in the way of clamps. After all of the beams were installed I finished off the mast partner with the corners that I had not made originally. I also set the angle aft within it for the mast. Next were the pump partners - I admire all of you builders who work in a smaller scale. I wanted to keep it true to the original ship and made the joints accordingly. This was tricky at 1/24th scale so how you lot do it on a smaller scale I have no idea. Lastly I faired the deck - this is as satisfying as fairing the hull. You know that when you have done it - it's another mile stone in the build. A few pictures Its so annoying when you see that you cut a beam a little too short - 🤣 So now I need to get nailing - I've discovered that this is not my favourite job. I'll have a go at that next weekend. There are some things that I could have improved upon - Firstly the very rear stern hatch is not quite straight and square. I've obviously messed up a bit there but it's easily fixed. Secondly I can see that some of my beams are just slightly too short and this will cause some corrections when I make the waterway and spirketting. Again it's all solvable so I'll tackle those issues at a later date. I can't thank you all enough for your kind comments - Cheers Mark
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Truly incredible - that ship is a thing of beauty mate 👍
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Thanks druxey much appreciated mate 👍 Wow thanks Greg - I think it will all look really nice once it's glued up and tightly clamped together which will take some time as there's quite a few nails to go in too. Having looked at the plans I think one of the real tests of this build will be the waterway - now that looks tricky as it has to fit tightly and be symmetrical too. That will be the next big job on my build.
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Thanks Tobias 👍 Cheers giampieroricci 👍 Hi Dave - I used to have the Proxxon sander and they are great and do the job very well - but Byrnes tools are just in a different league. So another update from me - First up was to get the mill out and cut out the notches for the beams. Then they were glued in place which was quite straight forwards. I did have to bend them a bit so they they followed the line of the deck clamp. Next was to make and fit the small knees that connect the shelf to the transom. And finally a last dry fit of the deck to check that everything fitted OK. I also got the height gauge out and checked the beams one last time for accuracy. So before I glue all of the beams in a need to put a final finish on the inside of the hull. Once this is done I'll glue it all together; finalise the mast partner and make the pump partners before fairing the deck. I'll get some pictures up hopefully next weekend. Thanks for all of the encouragement - Mark
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