CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #91 Posted February 2, 2016 I also did the upper deck planks as well. mtaylor, ScottRC, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #92 Posted February 2, 2016 The last part is the lower part of the hull which can be tricky and may require a few drop planks and steelers. Using imagery from the how to plank tutorial pdf one can get a sense of how to use battens to maintain the right curvature down to the keel. So with Sultana when I am all done it should look something as so. mtaylor, Elijah and ScottRC 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beef Wellington Posted February 2, 2016 Share #93 Posted February 2, 2016 Nicely done getting that hull shaped Charlie, you should be set up nicely for the planking. Very precise work, must have taken a while to get everything so perfect. Elijah, mtaylor and CharlieZardoz 3 Quote Cheers, Jason "Which it will be ready when it is ready!" In the shipyard: HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate) Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700) Finished: HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captgino Posted February 2, 2016 Share #94 Posted February 2, 2016 Just been catching up to your build. You are doing such an amazing work on her. I have this kit and will be definitely following your progress. CharlieZardoz, Elijah and mtaylor 3 Quote Jean-Philippe (JP) Current build: Syren , HMS Victory Cross Section, Essex Please visit and subscribe to my YouTube Channel On Hold: Rattlesnake (Scratch built) Completed: Armed Virginia Sloop, Viking ship, The Flyer, Pilot Boat, Krabbenkutter, Marie-Jeanne, Sloup, The Smasher, Mayflower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #95 Posted February 2, 2016 (edited) For now I've stopped here since I need to thin the keel deadwood areas. The keel will not be planked and is 4 mm thick. The veneer is 3/128" per plank so that's about .6mm off on each side. So using a 4 mm plank of wood I drew more or less the area thickness which should be left after sanding and will whittle down the edges until they fit. When the keel is added to the hull the veneer planks will flow smoothly right into it. Edited February 2, 2016 by CharlieZardoz Elijah, mtaylor and ScottRC 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventynet Posted February 2, 2016 Share #96 Posted February 2, 2016 Facinating build Charlie, thanks for detailing all the steps. Best, Ian Elijah, mtaylor and CharlieZardoz 3 Quote Builds in progress - Speedwell - by Syren Ship Model Company Builds completed - Hayling Hoy - by David Antscherl - Naval Cutter Cheerful - by Syren Ship Model Company - Cape Cod Catboat - by Bluejacket - Gokstad - by Dusek - Ship's Boat - by Dusek - Brazzera - by MarisStella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #97 Posted February 2, 2016 Having lots of little scrap planks is very helpful. A. they get into the small spaces (the model is only 9-10" long) and b. lining them up together you want to make sure the spacing stays consistent for the planks. mtaylor, ScottRC, captgino and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted February 2, 2016 Share #98 Posted February 2, 2016 Wow ! How did you transfer all the lines on to your hull? It looks like you will have no trouble with planking! By the way, I'm glad to have you back! Welcome "home" . CharlieZardoz and mtaylor 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #99 Posted February 2, 2016 So that's about it for now hope you all enjoyed the update. Next I am hoping to show the keel area properly thinned, the plank lines fully finished and then the transom area with it's pieces lasered and the inner area hallowed out since I can't handle fake windows lol. Also a note to the Sultana color scheme my plan is to follow a similar pattern to this Halifax model a slightly larger similar type of American built ship. The orcre will be done in boxwood, while the darker portion will be pear or cherry (where I pointed) with the deck in holly. Below the waterline will be white and the railings painted black. Mixing the woods and working with varnish/staining will mean a bit of experimenting but that's all part of the fun! Stay tuned ;D mtaylor, overdale, ScottRC and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #100 Posted February 2, 2016 Thank you Ian, Elijah and Jason (and anyone else if I missed ya) for the kind words I can feel the love lol. Can't wait to get some planks on her but still a few steps left and happy to share my approaches and thoughts. And Jason I'm really looking forward to that HMS Jason you're doing. I really enjoy watching kits get modified and curious to see the differences in stern detailings, figureheads etc. If it's anything like your HMS Snake it should work out splendidly! Seventynet, Elijah, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 2, 2016 Share #101 Posted February 2, 2016 You are making good progress Charles, She is shaping up nicely. David B mtaylor, CharlieZardoz and Elijah 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 2, 2016 Author Share #102 Posted February 2, 2016 Thank you so very much! I know it's a bit slow but I keep getting to her whenever possible, the benefit of the winter is more home time dgbot, mtaylor, philly777 and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted February 2, 2016 Share #103 Posted February 2, 2016 Enjoy your log Charlie. You know, I believe accurately shaping a solid, machine caved hull is much more difficult than building a plank on bulkhead model. mtaylor, Elijah, overdale and 1 other 4 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 3, 2016 Author Share #104 Posted February 3, 2016 Yes to a point I agree. Frames from what I can see seem a bit more precise with regards to shaping while a solid hull is more freeform, however it does have the added benefit of being able to draw all over it also sand and putty ad infinitum. For this being my first wood kit it's giving me an understanding of what a ship model should look and feel like how to work with wood with a platform which allows for many mistakes and corrections, trial and error etc. Also I can't help but feel a bit of a connection to this block of wood, like I'm putting all this energy into it as I'm holding it, the wood it speaks and tells me... "get off your butt and plank me already!" mtaylor, overdale, Elijah and 3 others 6 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted February 3, 2016 Share #105 Posted February 3, 2016 Looking really great Charlie. All that work upfront will pay off many dividends in the end. Elijah, CharlieZardoz, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: Hs129B-2 1/48 SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted February 4, 2016 Share #106 Posted February 4, 2016 Doing good, Charlie. She's looking sharp and your "prototyping" the parts with the laser is a good idea. When you go to do the cuts in boxwood, etc., take extra with you to test cut first. Each wood will cut differently and need different settings. ScottRC and Elijah 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #107 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Thank you Mark! That is a very good point and should be interesting to see how each wood takes to the laser differently. The laser I work with is relatively easy to change settings though I definitely want to avoid ruining the good wood when possible. I wanted to add another set of pics I also took the templates and made laser cut versions of them which are much more precise than the ones I cut out. I'll use them as finishing pieces to refine the deadwood by the keel. What these also showed me is that in the future if I wish to scratch build, making my own laser cut bulkheads should be relatively the same process. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz shipmodel, mtaylor, ScottRC and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted February 4, 2016 Share #108 Posted February 4, 2016 That laser machine looks very helpful ! CharlieZardoz and mtaylor 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #109 Posted February 4, 2016 And for a small mini update I couldn't resist getting the stern windows placed on the model. I just can't accept windows being drawn on solid wood so I've decided to amend my prior intention of making the whole cabin area since I feel I simply don't possess those skills yet, however it will suit me fine to hollow out the most rear section of the hull using a dremel and drill since the windows are so small any detailing would be hard to make out. However I do have a surprise which I will keep quiet about until I decide to show it. As you can see I've opened up the box of metal fittings just to see how they look. They are overall decent though I plan on making most of them from scratch. shipmodel, mtaylor, ScottRC and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted February 4, 2016 Share #110 Posted February 4, 2016 I can't make out the windows. Surprise? Sounds interesting ! mtaylor and CharlieZardoz 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #111 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) It's pretty cheap too Elijah $20 + a few extra bucks for the day. Anywhoo I printed out my transom template on paper and cut out the windows, then added it to the model and drew where the windows will ultimately be. The two lines in the center is where the rudder will go that window is a fake and will be cut out. The lines aren't perfect right now but don't have to be. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz Seventynet, ScottRC, Elijah and 4 others 7 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #112 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Now for the quarterbadges again not too shabby though I'll probably make mine from scratch however they serve to determine where the cutout window will go. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz Seventynet, Elijah and ScottRC 3 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #113 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) I took a piece of the plans that I cut up and cut out the window. The badge window is about 6mm from the main wale. Finding where the window should be is a matter of eyework as well as following the plans. It's not an exact science and also you can see in the last picture I made room for the wale which is about 3-4mm (I seems to narrow a bit at the bottom) however since that area will be planked with veneer as well I took a bit off that number. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz ScottRC, rafine, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #114 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) Move it around until it looks right. There it is. Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz ScottRC, Elijah, Kenneth Powell and 3 others 6 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #115 Posted February 4, 2016 I used a piece of acrylic to make the two sides symmetrical. While my lines are more or less in the spot they need to be it's not exact and again doesn't have to be just serves as a guide, however the measuring tool works out the details. The badge window is actually the same amount down as it is inward so so flipping it got me where I needed it. And don't go off the plans or your badges might be too far to the edge. Landlubber Mike, ScottRC, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 4, 2016 Author Share #116 Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) And that's that. I just needed to do this today like a bit of therapy. Now that that's over back to real estate lol Edited February 4, 2016 by CharlieZardoz shipmodel, Beef Wellington, rafine and 8 others 11 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafine Posted February 4, 2016 Share #117 Posted February 4, 2016 I really admire your meticulous approach Charlie. Bob mtaylor, CharlieZardoz and Elijah 3 Quote Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Medway Longboat 1:24 Prior builds on MSW: Schooner Halifax: Lumberyard 1/48 semi-scratch; Cutter Cheerful 1:48; Granado: Caldercraft 1:64; Frigate Essex: Kitbashed Model Shipways kit; Triton Cross Section 1:48; Kingfisher from Lauckstreet kit; Syren: Model shipways kit ;Kitbashed Fair American: Model Shipways;Prince de Neufchatel: Model shipways 1:64 Civil War Picket Boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CharlieZardoz Posted February 5, 2016 Author Share #118 Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Thank you Bob! I am deeply honored your work on Cheerful (and Essex, Syren, etc) is simply amazing! I am just happy to offer my approaches here to those who come after me, it's a journal of sorts so I am patient to watch it all come together. I will always remember these little steps it took to get me to the goal of a finished work. Edited February 5, 2016 by CharlieZardoz dgbot, ScottRC, rafine and 2 others 5 Quote Build on hold: HM Sultana 1/64th scale Current Build: 31 ton Doughty revenue cutter as USRC Active 1/64th scale (in progress) Future Interests: Ballahoo, Diligence, Halifax and beyond... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elijah Posted February 5, 2016 Share #119 Posted February 5, 2016 That is a lot of preparation! That's a good thing ! mtaylor and CharlieZardoz 2 Quote -Elijah Current build(s): Continental Gunboat Philadelphia by Model Shipways https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/15753-continental-gunboat-philadelphia-by-elijah-model-shipways-124-scale/ Completed build(s): Model Shipways Phantom http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?showtopic=12376 Member of: The Nautical Research Guild N.R.M.S.S. (Nautical Research and Model Ship Society) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottRC Posted February 5, 2016 Share #120 Posted February 5, 2016 Hi Charlie, You say those that come after you, well, I am planning on starting the Scientific SeaWitch in the near future and am very interested in trying your techniques. Scott mtaylor, CharlieZardoz, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds: Revell 1:96 Thermopylae Restoration Revell 1:96 Constitution COMPLETED Aeropiccola HMS Endeavor IN ORDINARY Planned Builds: Scientific Sea Witch Marine Models USF Essex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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