EdT Posted October 13, 2018 Share #271 Posted October 13, 2018 Difficult to explain the glue swelling, Paul. Titebond II is a waterproof glue. I paint acrlic over it all the time. Could it be the sanding sealer? Curious problem. Ed mtaylor, Canute and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landrotten Highlander Posted October 13, 2018 Share #272 Posted October 13, 2018 I am wondering if the water has somehow affected the wood strips (ie.e swelling when wet, shrinking when dry) while the glue remains unaffected. Assuming your wood strips swell first and take the glued edges with it. Then the wood shrinks (drying of water) while the glued edges remain in position? Not sure if i am making sense here, but just a thought. mtaylor, Canute, Siggi52 and 1 other 4 Quote Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam Slainte gu mhath L.H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share #273 Posted October 14, 2018 Hi Ed, I'm not sure either, I'm using Liberon sealer which is a spirit sanding sealer containing ethanol, resin acids and rosin acids?? Hi landrotten I don't think there was enough water in the paint to make the planks swell and shrunk but could be wrong, personally I think its something to do with the sealer as Ed said, but again not sure It is quite a nice look though however it came about and actually looks like I caulked the seams properly !! Thanks all for the likes and comments Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share #274 Posted October 14, 2018 100% chance of rain all day today guess where I will be all day Made a centering marker out of some pieces if boxwood I had in the stash after reading on another log somewhere about them Also found a use for the spare handle I made for the wife Regards Paul Bob Legge, mtaylor, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share #275 Posted October 14, 2018 Decided it was time to start the channels as I am working around the ship, cutting the rebate into the waist rail in situ as I hadn't done them when building the Hull as a bit perilious but going slowly I managed Fore channel being shaped from a piece of pear And having the edge scraped Regards Paul Jim T, druxey, Bob Legge and 4 others 7 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share #276 Posted October 14, 2018 After one coat of sanding sealer I cut the pearwood both ways with the grain and as this one across, from a strength point of view I should be using the other piece but the grain on this looks awesome and as I'm not going to be doing rigging on the model should be strong enough, I'm going to cut the edge off and file in the rebates for the chains Regards Paul Bob Legge, Landrotten Highlander, DORIS and 6 others 9 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 14, 2018 Share #277 Posted October 14, 2018 The suspicion raised about the one of the components of sanding sealer reacting with Titebond II might be your answer. mtaylor, Canute and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 14, 2018 Author Share #278 Posted October 14, 2018 Thanks Druxey, I'm thinking the same, I might stick some plank together and see if I can recreate the problem Regards Paul Canute, druxey and mtaylor 3 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share #279 Posted October 16, 2018 Air gaps have been sanded into the back, drilled for fixing bolts, test fitted to the side Regard Paul PS thanks all for the likes MEDDO, Bob Legge, druxey and 11 others 14 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share #280 Posted October 17, 2018 Cutting the mortices in the breast beam for the stanchions The cross piece will be cut in half making the two sides but I'm keeping whole until all mortices etc are cut to keep the spacing Port Side morticed in starboard still ti cut in, After dropping two stanchion down into the depths I thought I had better cover the gun deck before i lose it Regards Paul Landrotten Highlander, GrandpaPhil, Canute and 10 others 13 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 17, 2018 Author Share #281 Posted October 17, 2018 (edited) I also started on the main channel using cross cut pear same as the fore channel, look at the grain beautiful isn't it Regards Paul Edited October 17, 2018 by paulsutcliffe Keith Black, GrandpaPhil, Bob Legge and 4 others 7 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 22, 2018 Author Share #282 Posted October 22, 2018 Its amazing now the addition of a few pieces makes it all start to look like a ship and it starts to come together, all starboard channels are now made and have bolts nothing glued as yet as I have to work out how to make the supporters From the bow Mizzen Main and stool Fore And a little test with a boxwood deadeye, I noticed some scratches on the fore channel and removed it to refinish, this is what I'm using for polishing up the pear to a smooth shine from left to right finishing with 0000 wire wool Regards Paul Siggi52, druxey, Bob Legge and 12 others 15 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share #283 Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) Experiment to try and recreate the caulking lines as per the Cheerful, four beech planks all have had three coats of sanding sealer smoothed inbetween Right hand side(bottom) also had some oil rubbed in and then painted on top, I'm sure the colour doesn't matter as its still acrylic Left hand side is straight paint well watered down as per landrottens suggestion As yet no reaction like my cheerful Hull, only difference is this is beech and the Hull is holly, could that have anything to do with it??? And still needs a few more coats of paint Regards Paul Edited October 23, 2018 by paulsutcliffe Canute, Keith Black, KeithAug and 2 others 5 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 23, 2018 Share #284 Posted October 23, 2018 You need to replicate what you did in every way to begin to determine what happened, Paul. Change one factor and you change the experiment. Canute, mtaylor and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share #285 Posted October 23, 2018 Of course you are correct Druxey, I didn't think the wood would matter as seemed to be something to do with the glue, however I will do again tomorrow with some holly strips Thanks mtaylor, druxey and Canute 3 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
druxey Posted October 24, 2018 Share #286 Posted October 24, 2018 It's the mix of all the items you used that may be the problem. If other wood species do not cause the effect you had, it would have to be the combination of the holly and other items in the stew! mtaylor, Canute and paulsutcliffe 3 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 24, 2018 Author Share #287 Posted October 24, 2018 Holly strips are glued up and ready to go, meanwhile I made the two steam gratings for the forecastle Coamings are ebony and boxwood grating, cambered to match the deck planking, knees on starboard also finished and bolted, work on the waterway has also started with its lovely curved scarph Regards Paul Siggi52, EdT, GrandpaPhil and 11 others 14 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share #288 Posted October 30, 2018 Second plank experiment, Holly strips, titebond dark glue with 3b pencil highlights, two flats of sanding sealer flatted between, so far no raising of the lines Also at the bottom first and second attempt at belfry roof in ebony and one coat of sanding sealer Thanks Paul EdT, druxey, Keith Black and 3 others 6 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 30, 2018 Author Share #289 Posted October 30, 2018 Ebony has been polished down to 5000 grit sandpaper and second coat of sealer added Regards Paul davec, Canute, Bob Legge and 5 others 8 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael mott Posted October 31, 2018 Share #290 Posted October 31, 2018 Nice work on the ebony Paul. Michael Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim T Posted October 31, 2018 Share #291 Posted October 31, 2018 On 10/14/2018 at 12:42 PM, paulsutcliffe said: Decided it was time to start the channels as I am working around the ship, cutting the rebate into the waist rail in situ as I hadn't done them when building the Hull as a bit perilious but going slowly I managed Fore channel being shaped from a piece of pear And having the edge scraped Regards Paul I like that scraper ('s). Gonna have to learn about that. Jim Keith Black, paulsutcliffe, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share #292 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Hi Jim @Jimt The scraper is just a hacksaw blade trimmed to different shapes with another saw and files where necessary, I even have the ends trimmed for doing a bead in awkward places Regards Paul Edited October 31, 2018 by paulsutcliffe robdurant, KeithAug, Jim T and 4 others 7 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted October 31, 2018 Author Share #293 Posted October 31, 2018 I have also started turning the legs for the belfry, according to my plans they are only 2 ft.(12mm) High, 6"(3mm) wide at the base, I can't quite get the taper yet but I have got the shape down from the plan, I also scraped around the edge of the roof, could only manage one line though in the space. Regards Paul mtaylor, Jorge Diaz O, robdurant and 6 others 9 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdT Posted November 3, 2018 Share #294 Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) Paul, what are you using for sanding sealer? There are many varieties. Titebond glue is resistant to most finishes, but as we know, our favorite "ungluer" - isopropyl alcohol - will soften it - and probably swell it in the process. Perhaps the sealer had this effect. Also, if the glue joints on the curved hull were not tightly fit and the gaps filled with glue, that would be different from your tightly matched straight joint lines on the test piece. Another possibility: you mentioned dark glue. Is this purchased as dark glue or coloring mixed into the normal Titebond. If the latter, what is the colorant? Which grade of Titebond? Just some other things to consider. Ed Added note: Apologies, Paul, I see you have already answered some of these questions and I missed that. I would say that the alcohol-based sealer is a prime suspect, especially if the joint gaps were filled with glue. Edited November 3, 2018 by EdT druxey, mtaylor, paulsutcliffe and 1 other 4 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share #295 Posted November 4, 2018 (edited) Thanks Ed, I have another piece of Holly strips on the go to experiment on, hopefully done exactly the same as the planking Meanwhile as its -2 outside in the garage I managed to persuade the boss to allow me to bring the rope rocket inside to do some more practise on the rope making This is with the dmc ecru no 40 thread supplied by chuck with the rocket Regards Paul Edited November 4, 2018 by paulsutcliffe mtaylor, Bob Legge, druxey and 2 others 5 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share #296 Posted November 7, 2018 Left to right 8, 6, 3 and 2 strand DORIS, mtaylor, Bob Legge and 3 others 6 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share #297 Posted November 7, 2018 Called in at the local auction place last week and came across these, just had to bid Two perfect condition engineers vices, my humble Proxxon drill stand has just gone terminator Regards Paul Keith Black, mtaylor, Bob Legge and 3 others 6 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 7, 2018 Author Share #298 Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) Work on the belfry has continued, not my finest piece of work and needs a lot of clean up, made the bell from the end of a brass cannon from a previous model Regards Paul Edited November 7, 2018 by paulsutcliffe Canute, MEDDO, GrandpaPhil and 7 others 10 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share #299 Posted November 11, 2018 2 days in the shipyard and a lot achieved for a change Port lids have hinges, channel supporters fabricated and attached on mizzen, dry fitted on main ready for painting Bob Legge, mtaylor, DORIS and 4 others 7 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulsutcliffe Posted November 11, 2018 Author Share #300 Posted November 11, 2018 2 chains fitted on the main channel to work out the lengths to make the rest of the chains and where they line up on the Hull EdT, DORIS, GrandpaPhil and 7 others 10 Quote The clerk of the cheque's yacht of sheerness Current build HMS Sirius (1797) 1:48 scratch POF from NMM plans HMS Winchelsea by chuck 1:48 Cutter cheerful by chuck 1:48 Previous builds- Elidir - Thames steam barge Cutty Sark-Billings boats Wasa - billings boats Among others 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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