Golden Hind (ex-Pelican) by Baker - FINISHED - scale 1/45 - Galleon late 16th century

[Baker]

Thank you Geert and Lawrence for the compliments.

 

Meanwhile, work continues. I hope to do an update soon.

 

 

 

[Louie da fly]

On 5/14/2018 at 12:18 AM, Backer said:

This drawing is one of the very few examples where the mast is in the fore castle   (bad example !

You know, I'd really never noticed that. But it's true - most 16th century galleons had the foremast in front of the forecastle, not in it. Amazing the things that you just don't see.

 

Excellent work as usual, Patrick.

 

Steven 

[Baker]

Thanks steven 

[John Allen]

Patrick,

 

Superb and masterful work, especially the attention to details the making of the rose was inspiring . Kudos

[Baker]

John,

 

Thanks for the nice compliment.

[Baker]

The grating on the beakhead is done.

As a basis I used purchased grating because I do not possess the tools to make them myself.
I had this in my possession for a long time. And I do not know who the manufacturer is.
The wooden strips are own production.
I have tried to get about the same result as in the picture from the Batavia replica

6 separate pieces of grating have been made
staining is done with diluted gray. Then lightly "polished" with scotch brite.
The "nails" are applied with a pencil

An extra plank is provided in the middle.

The holes for the mast and the bowsprit are roughly cut to the right size.

 

2 primitive sanitary facilities are provided.

Extra bolts are also provided.

 

Some deck planks have been applied without a glue as a test. Do not know yet if they will stay that way.

 

Thanks for following

[md1400cs]

Patrick,

Your grating work is so good! Great added details very realistic Well Done.

 

Regards,

Edited May 21, 2018 by md1400cs

[G.L.]

Patrick,

Are the crew heads just the holes or did they have something to sit on?

 

G.L.

[Baker]

15 hours ago, G.L. said:

Patrick,

Are the crew heads just the holes or did they have something to sit on?

 

G.L.

GL

How the sanitary looked like on a 16th century ship is hard to find.

 

At the back of the balcony of the model there are made primitive facilities (holes) for the captain and the officers . It may well be that there was nothing at all on the balcony of a real ship.

 

How does one go to the toilet on a 16th century ship? What I found about it:

Crouched above the hole, leaning back against the side of the hull. And then "aim correctly) ... 

Perhaps not politely explained, but that was the intention.

 

If I foresee something in the front to sit on. Then regular sailors have more luxury than the captain and the officers. 

That is why there are only holes. And nothing to sit on.

 

Hopefully this answers your question

 

[G.L.]

21 hours ago, Backer said:

GL

How the sanitary looked like on a 16th century ship is hard to find.

 

At the back of the balcony of the model there are made primitive facilities (holes) for the captain and the officers . It may well be that there was nothing at all on the balcony of a real ship.

 

How does one go to the toilet on a 16th century ship? What I found about it:

Crouched above the hole, leaning back against the side of the hull. And then "aim correctly) ... 

Perhaps not politely explained, but that was the intention.

 

If I foresee something in the front to sit on. Then regular sailors have more luxury than the captain and the officers. 

That is why there are only holes. And nothing to sit on.

 

Hopefully this answers your question

 

Thanks for your answer, Patrick. I am glad that I was allowed to sail in a completely different era.

 

G.L.

[Baker]

Does anyone have an idea how these "things" are called?

 

I would have liked to have created a topic in : Masting, rigging and sails. But I can not make a title as long as I do not know the correct name.

Does anyone know how they could have been attached to the hull?

 

[Barbossa]

Hi Patrick,

I have no clue and I can only offer a questionable alternative as some anachronism is involved (pics are related to a gallion dd. 1610 or so,...)

On the other hand, when you Google for Victory/Amati's HMS revenge you'll find the same device.

Aside from this : great work !

[SGraham]

Hi Patrick,

I think that spar may be called a "boomkin." Not sure, though.

 

Steve

[Baker]

3 hours ago, Barbossa said:

Hi Patrick,

I have no clue and I can only offer a questionable alternative as some anachronism is involved (pics are related to a gallion dd. 1610 or so,...)

On the other hand, when you Google for Victory/Amati's HMS revenge you'll find the same device.

Aside from this : great work !

 

 

 

Thanks for the reply and the compliment Cristian.

This is indeed an alternative. 

On drawings from the time the GH sailed the boomkin is the most common.

If I can not place a boomkin, it will probably become this alternative solution.
 

[Baker]

1 hour ago, SGraham said:

Hi Patrick,

I think that spar may be called a "boomkin." Not sure, though.

 

Steve

Yep,

 

Did a search for "Boomkin ship" on google .

Thanks!!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boomkin

 

https://www.google.be/search?rlz=1C1SFXN_enBE500BE526&biw=1600&bih=720&tbm=isch&sa=1&ei=6VIIW4b4D5LdwAKMnrX4Aw&q=boomkin+ship&oq=boomkin+ship&gs_l=img.12...6678.8926.0.11325.5.5.0.0.0.0.102.403.4j1.5.0....0...1c.1.64.img..0.2.175...0i19k1j0i10i19k1j0i8i30i19k1.0.DsiLfpP92wA#imgrc=EEUbI7GpVvHtPM:

 

 

[davyboy]

Hi Patrick,

 

The Golden Hind would not have had Boomkins, they didn't appear on English ships until circa 1710. (Lees Masting and Rigging states the Foretacks were led through holes in the stem) Her Foretacks would have been led almost identically as shown in your last pic with the red pointing arrow,also as in the pic's Christian previously posted. The 1637 engraving of the Sovereign of the Seas also shows the same lead for the Foretacks.

 

Regards,

 

Dave 

[Baker]

34 minutes ago, davyboy said:

Hi Patrick,

 

The Golden Hind would not have had Boomkins, they didn't appear on English ships until circa 1710. (Lees Masting and Rigging states the Foretacks were led through holes in the stem) Her Foretacks would have been led almost identically as shown in your last pic with the red pointing arrow,also as in the pic's Christian previously posted. The 1637 engraving of the Sovereign of the Seas also shows the same lead for the Foretacks.

 

Regards,

 

Dave 

Then I follow the advice of you and Christian
There will be no boomkins on the Golden Hind. I shall make holes in the stem like on the picture.

Thanks

[md1400cs]

And this one 1628, - as you know, We both included this bit in our builds of same.

 

 

 

 

[Baker]

I never thought that my question would become so complicated 

 

This week there is a lot of work to do in the garden.

In the meantime I will first look at all my info. Because it seems very much that before and after 1600 much changed.
The manner like the Vasa is usually only seen after 1600

 

So first study and gardening 
Thanks everyone for the info

[Baker]

18 hours ago, canoe21 said:

Hello Patrick

 

What a wonderful job you are doing on your Golden Hind, so very much very fine detail that I love to see on a ship. Your gratings sure do look great, how did you get the nails that you applied with a pencil to stand out like that? WELL DONE,                                                                                           ENJOY.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              Regards   Lawrence

Thanks Lawrence,

 

After painting and sanding. 

1. Take the pencil and place it where you want a nail.
2. Press the tip of the pencil slightly into the wood.
3. Turn the pencil slightly between the fingers.
4. ready.

A pencil with a harder point gives a better result.
The point is "splintered" less quickly. And it gives a better metal look.

Best  first do some practice on some scrap wood

 

I have been using a pencil for years in my military modeling   (Shore leave : ADGZ M35 funkwagen)

[Baker]

Did some homework / search in all my books and printed info and the gardening is done for the time being.

 

Result

• Boomkins: found only 2 times (Portuguese and Spanish)
• The "Vasa / Revenge solution": occurs only twice, very late in the 16th century.  But is quite common from the beginning of the 17th century.
• "Nothing" is fairly common in the second half of the 16th century.

So we are going for the "nothing" solution. How it goes further here with the rigging, those are worries for later.
As long as I can turn the model upside down, i can still make an adjustment if necessary.

 

This piece of deck had already been planked
Treenails and kaulking has been done before the planks are glued.

 

Dry test

But I felt that the black gave too much contrast to the light gray planks. The kaulking has been redone with dark gray paint ( German Panzergrey...) After this the deck has been polished with scotch brite.

 

Meanwhile, the work continues 

 

Still a lot of work to do on the beakhead.
Thanks for following

[Baker]

Hello,

 

Further finishing the beakhead. Drawings of ships from around 1570 served as an example

The photos speak for themselves.

Bad luck

 

 

Pre bending on a mold
Strips soaked in water and boiling water just before bending

 

The door is kept open with a wedge.

ready.

 I think I'm starting on the canon deck now.

 

Thanks for following and likes 

Build index in post 1

[md1400cs]

Patrick,

 

your lock slide is BRILLIANT - well done indeed !!

[Baker]

13 minutes ago, md1400cs said:

Patrick,

 

your lock slide is BRILLIANT - well done indeed !!

Thanks,

 

The idea is actually Finnish. 

Last year seen on holiday in Northern Finland at a very old wooden church.

 

A church, Built in the middle of nowhere. Only to be reached after a walk of 3 hours along a lake and then a walk back 3 hours (Swampy and a lot of mosquitoes...)

 

I found this model of lock so robust and special that I wanted to use it on this model

 

[Baker]

Hello everyone

 

Cannons, main armament.
A lot of information about 16th century armament can be found in the following master theses (They were free to download).

http://www.academia.edu/20120786/The_Arming_of_Late_16th_century_Merchantmen._A_Masters_Thesis_from_the_Maritime_Archaeology_Programme_University_of_Southern_Denmark

 

 

These smaller "private" ships and merchantmen usually had armament of 3 and 4 pounders. Mainly iron guns, bronze was too expensive. Only the navy could afford this.

It was not usually the intention to sink a hostile ship. Boarding another ship was the most "profitable". Then the cargo could be captured.

 

Step 1: Determine the locations of the guns

Billing Boats and Amati guns are used as the basis (I do not have a lathe, so improvising) Adjust the shape with the drill and files.

 

The "cannon factory"

 

The bore is too big. These are filled with plastic and fitted with the correct bore diameter.
We make 1 pounders, 3 pounders and 4 pounders.

 

Painted in Tamiya matte black

Then a wash with diluted and extra matte gun metal.
The bore opening is a little accentuated with pencil

 

Ready

 

Thanks for following and the likes

[cog]

Very neatly done Patrick, especially with the limited resources you are using.

[Louie da fly]

Very nice work, Patrick. Your build is a pleasure to watch.

 

Steven

[Baker]

Thanks Carl and Steven for the positive comments and everyone for the likes.

Meanwhile, the production of the carriages is well underway.

[Baker]

Hello everyone,

 

The gun carriages. These are under deck and will not remain fully visible, only minor details will be added.
First the sides are made with the electric crosscut saw. And then the bottom pieces are made with the same saw.
My method uses a lot of wood in relation to what is needed. I used softwood for this.

To know the dimensions a drawing has been made before i started.

 

The bottom piece is multi-functional so that long or short, narrow or wide, carriages can be made from the same pieces.

 

Making the wheels (the Backer way). Thin slices of wood are sawn and from these slices the wheels are "knocked out". After this I just do some sanding and make a hole in the middle. 

 

work in progress

A first test

 

 

Thanks for following.

[Baker]

Small update,

The carriages are provided with blocks and rope (this work took longer than initially planned).

This picture served as example

 

The carriages are fastened with a screw. This looks overkill but the screw is later invisible and the carriges are firmly secured.

 

The blocks are surpluses of the Vasa of Billing Boats. Split pins (Dutch : splitpen) were used to secure the blocks.

 

Al this can be done better. But for below deck, this detailing is sufficient.

 

Thanks for following and likes.