Worldway Posted February 15, 2017 #1 Posted February 15, 2017 This is my second build. I received the Bluenose kit just before Christmas. The Admiral "suggested" I put it under the Christmas tree. So on Boxing Day I did an inventory. All parts were present and accounted for. However, one problem I had was that one of the dowels was badly warped. I emailed Model Shpways and had two replacement dowels in about 2 weeks. Excellent customer service. All the wood was sorted, organized and stored in cardboard tubes. I laid the plans out flat to try to get the folds out of them. I plan on following Bob Hunt's practicum from Lauck Street Shipyards for the most part but will also be using the MS instructions manual plus other build logs on this forum. I also purchased the book Bluenose by Brian and Phil Backman. Toronto: McClelland and Stewart, 1965. According to MS it was a major reference for the kit. Right now I am cleaning up my workspace and getting everything prepared to start this build. I will be pre-occupied over the next few days but hope to get started later this weekend. Blighty, GuntherMT, Fright and 2 others 5 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
skifflake Posted February 15, 2017 #2 Posted February 15, 2017 Keep us updated. I will be watching as the bluenose is one of my favorite. Pat Nirvana 1 Quote
Worldway Posted February 16, 2017 Author #3 Posted February 16, 2017 I went down to my shop tonight to grab something really quick, and well, one thing led to another....... So, from reading other logs I knew that the aft section of the false keel was delicate. I still managed to break it. Luckily it didn't snap off, it was just a fracture, so I applied a bit of CA and was back in the game again. After that, I figured it was safer to sand the laser char with the keel on edge. While sanding the middle keel, I guess I got too aggressive and, once again, I fractured the part More CA and everything was fine. I think I was lucky that nothing completely broke off. I wan't happy with the fit between the aft and middle bulkheads so did additional sanding (carefully) to get them better in line. I then used a generous amount of carpenters glue to attach the three sections and added some weights. I'll let them cook over night. Elijah, hof00, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 19, 2017 Author #4 Posted February 19, 2017 Haven't made a lot of progress. I added some bracing over the joints of the keel, market the bearding and rabbet lines and started cutting the joint. It's going fairly well. I got one side done but will give my hand a rest before I start the next side. Blighty, Jack12477, Haliburton and 6 others 9 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Nirvana Posted February 20, 2017 #5 Posted February 20, 2017 Derek, Looks like you had itchy fingers...... but you are off now and I will be following along. Blighty 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry
Worldway Posted February 20, 2017 Author #6 Posted February 20, 2017 I've installed the bulkheads and the sternpost. Some of the bulkheads were very snug and I had to do some sanding to get them to fit properly. They went together quite nicely. mrshanks, hof00, Fright and 8 others 11 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted February 20, 2017 #7 Posted February 20, 2017 Ah I see the compulsory lego shot no build gets off to a good start without this Haliburton, Blighty, MEDDO and 2 others 5 Quote
Worldway Posted February 21, 2017 Author #8 Posted February 21, 2017 Yes Steve, you can't start a build without a shout out to Lego Haliburton, Nirvana, genericDave and 3 others 6 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #9 Posted February 23, 2017 I started fairing the hull and noticed some large gaps between the a couple of the planks and the bulkhead. I added some filler pieces but got thinking after that maybe I shouldn't have done it until after I finished the fairing. Blighty, coxswain, Nirvana and 3 others 6 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Heronguy Posted February 23, 2017 #10 Posted February 23, 2017 When I had the same problem the advice I got was to attache shims then continue with the fairing. Made sense to me as the fairing will bring each bulkhead into line at the same time Doug Blighty and Nirvana 2 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #11 Posted February 23, 2017 I then started doing some sanding. Of course I tried to be gentle but disaster struck So I glued the piece back with CA glue then reinforced it with carpenters glue. I'm wondering if maybe I should have used some 5 minute epoxy. This is the second time I've had problems in this area I'm wondering what is the best way to fair the hull without breaking any more parts off. I try to be gentle but then I find eventually I get too aggressive. Nirvana, Fright, Elijah and 2 others 5 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted February 23, 2017 #12 Posted February 23, 2017 Hi Derek sorry to read about your accident there I would suggest drilling and pinning that piece back on as well as wood glue to help strenghen Nirvana 1 Quote
Heronguy Posted February 23, 2017 #13 Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) Is there any way to add support at the joint between bulkhead and false keel - I'm thinking small wooden blocks glued in (like where the lego blocks were to square up) Edited February 23, 2017 by Heronguy Nirvana and Steve 12345 2 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600
Jack12477 Posted February 23, 2017 #14 Posted February 23, 2017 Derek, if you have any 1/4 x 1/4 inch square stock you could glue it into the 4 corners of that bulkhead and false keel to strengthen that repair. Nirvana and Steve 12345 2 Quote Jack "No one is as smart as all of us" - Is ón cheann a thagann an cheird The craft comes from the head --------------------------------------------- Current build: US Constellation Non-ship builds: USCG UH-65A Dolphin M16 Multi-gun motor carriage diorama M4A3 Sherman Tanks dioramas 1936-1939 Mercedes Benz 540K 1934 Rolls-Royce Phantom II JSDF Light Armor Vehicle Figures: The Last Bridge: Raider Reaper Edge of Universe: Ianis The Last Bridge: Vadim with cart Completed build log(s): 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne, Willie L Bennett 1888 50 ft Gaff-rigged Ice Yacht Scratch Build The Sullivans (DD 537) Liberty Ship SS John W Brown USS England (DE 635), Artesania Latina Titanic Lifeboat Gallery: Swift , Armed Virginia Sloop, Santisima Trinidad Captain's Launch , 18th Century Longboat , Marie Jeanne Other: Rhinebeck Aerodrome Tour
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #15 Posted February 23, 2017 11 minutes ago, Heronguy said: When I had the same problem the advice I got was to attache shims then continue with the fairing. Made sense to me as the fairing will bring each bulkhead into line at the same time Doug When I added the strips I noticed that there were "new" gaps. I'm sure they will go away once I get the fairing finished but it seems now I just have more material to remove. Also, perhaps someone can answer, the drawings show the fairing line on each bulkhead. I didn't use that because it wasn't used in Bob Hunt's practicum. Should I have scribed the lines and cut the bulkhead to the lines to start the fairing process? I mean, it's too late now to do that but curious for next time. Nirvana and genericDave 2 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #16 Posted February 23, 2017 12 minutes ago, Steve 12345 said: Hi Derek sorry to read about your accident there I would suggest drilling and pinning that piece back on as well as wood glue to help strenghen Great suggestion, where were you twenty minutes ago????? Steve 12345, Blighty, genericDave and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Heronguy Posted February 23, 2017 #17 Posted February 23, 2017 the instructions for the Syren say: Bevel all of your bulkheads before you place them into their slots of the bulkhead former. The drawing below shows you how to bevel the outboard edge first. The dashed line is there only as a guide. DO NOT initially bevel your bulkhead edge to these reference lines. Shape the edge just short of each bevel line (leave about 1/64”). Nirvana 1 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #18 Posted February 23, 2017 7 minutes ago, Jack12477 said: Derek, if you have any 1/4 x 1/4 inch square stock you could glue it into the 4 corners of that bulkhead and false keel to strengthen that repair. I had the same thought. I knew that I had to install a couple of horn timbers in that area and thought that the blocks would interfere with them. I just had a good look at the drawings and realized that the filler blocks wouldn't have got in the way. I think I may do that now just to help with reinforcement and prevent future issues. genericDave, Nirvana and Jack12477 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #19 Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks Doug, very helpful, makes a lot of sense. Nirvana 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Worldway Posted February 23, 2017 Author #20 Posted February 23, 2017 Here is the fix Fright, Jack12477, Steve 12345 and 7 others 10 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
DBorgens Posted February 23, 2017 #21 Posted February 23, 2017 Derek, I think almost everyone breaks the keel here so don't get down on yourself. I put blocks in as you are doing and had no further problems. While fairing the hull keep a light hand and some patience. Some bulkheads needed fillers but there were not many and not too thick. Dave B Quote Current build: HMS Pegasus, English Pinnace (on hold) Completed build: MS Bluenose, Skippercraft
hof00 Posted February 23, 2017 #22 Posted February 23, 2017 Hi Derek, Good advice all around, was going to put in my 5 Cents worth but everyone has already said wot I was going to say, Faring/Filler/Fix. Cheers....HOF. Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson
ca.shipwright Posted February 23, 2017 #23 Posted February 23, 2017 Hi Derek, You can copy and paste your build log into Bob's forum if you use Mozilla Firefox as your browser when you open MSW/NRG. Write once, post twice. Nirvana, Bulwark and DaddyWhale 3 Quote ca.shipwright Michael Zemmel Midlothian. VA http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11562-hmb-endeavour-by-cashipwright-corel-160/ http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/15329-hms-victory-by-cashipwright-panart-art-738-1:78/ "Buy all your toys before you retire"
Worldway Posted February 26, 2017 Author #24 Posted February 26, 2017 I've been busy fairing the hull and adding a couple more shims. I also installed the stern filler blocks and the horn timbers. I am going to continue fairing the hull until I am satisfied with it, feeling that this is an important step that should be done carefully. Steve 12345, Nirvana and coxswain 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Blighty Posted February 26, 2017 #25 Posted February 26, 2017 On 2017-02-15 at 8:06 PM, Worldway said: I went down to my shop tonight to grab something really quick, and well, one thing led to another....... So, from reading other logs I knew that the aft section of the false keel was delicate. I still managed to break it. Luckily it didn't snap off, it was just a fracture, so I applied a bit of CA and was back in the game again. After that, I figured it was safer to sand the laser char with the keel on edge. While sanding the middle keel, I guess I got too aggressive and, once again, I fractured the part More CA and everything was fine. I think I was lucky that nothing completely broke off. I wan't happy with the fit between the aft and middle bulkheads so did additional sanding (carefully) to get them better in line. I then used a generous amount of carpenters glue to attach the three sections and added some weights. I'll let them cook over night. Hi Derek, I notice you do not lay wax paper over the top of your joints asyou do below. I found this useful when I wanted to apply weight directly over the joint. Bet of luck with this build, also on my short list. A beautiful day here in Windsor. Len Worldway, kuya, Pierretessier and 1 other 4 Quote
Worldway Posted March 3, 2017 Author #26 Posted March 3, 2017 Ugh, still sanding but I'm getting close. I think I'm almost done. I've shaped the stern filler blocks. Done a little more fairing of the hull. Did I mention I hate sanding. I realize that in the pics the stern filler blocks looks a little uneven. I took some measurements after I took the pics to confirm they were. I've since SANDED more to make sure they were equal on both sides. Elijah, Jack12477, Nirvana and 4 others 7 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
Steve 12345 Posted March 3, 2017 #27 Posted March 3, 2017 Looking good derek it looks like you have taken all the laser cut marking off on each bulkhead so you are definitely close Nirvana and Elijah 2 Quote
Heronguy Posted March 3, 2017 #28 Posted March 3, 2017 Treat sanding as a chance for meditation. Be the wood. Feel the the grit .... OK - at least your almost there! Steve 12345, Bulwark, Haliburton and 5 others 8 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600
Worldway Posted March 5, 2017 Author #29 Posted March 5, 2017 I've installed the waterways and fitted the waterways between the stanchions. It was a big of a time consuming task to measure and fit each one but went fairly well. In all it took about 2-1/2 hours. One slight problem I have is that because I had to shim a couple of the bulkheads I now have a gap between the waterways and the planking. In a couple of spots the gap is significant. I guess I'll have to spend a little more time fairing the hull to see if I can reduce the size of the gap. I can always add a little filler between the waterways and the planking if I have to. coxswain, Blighty, Elijah and 6 others 9 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild
fnkershner Posted March 5, 2017 #30 Posted March 5, 2017 Derek - From your pics I see you are using my fav Clamps. They are the best for planking and so Cheap. I cannot add much to other comments here. I have completed this kit and as everyone has said you have found what I consider the 2 biggest problems. The warped Mast and the broken false Keel. And I also do not know anyone who has not had to do the reinforcing you have done. I should also mention that this was my first kit. and I too followed Bob Hunt's practicum. In my opinion the Practicum is great. You just need to know when to stop using it. The further you go the less detail there is. There is very little detail on rigging. But you are a few months away from that. Blighty, Worldway, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me!
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