Worldway Posted March 6, 2017 Author Share #31 Posted March 6, 2017 In the pictures above you can see the keel clamp I use to hold my model while I work on it. Tonight I was doing more fairing, sanding block in one hand and trying to support the model with the other hand. Then I heard the inevitable snap. I froze, set down the sanding block gently and backed away. I couldn't see any damage but as I took a closer examination I could see that I got a fracture in the keel at the bearding line. From the very beginning I told myself that there would be a weak point at the bearding line and was always trying to be careful and mindful of it. I ended up smearing some CA glue along the bearding line. I think it worked because it doesn't wiggle as much as it did. I'm very close to starting planking and I know once that is complete everything will be fine especially once I add the garboard strake. Nirvana, Steve 12345 and GuntherMT 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 12345 Posted March 7, 2017 Share #32 Posted March 7, 2017 Hi derek I'm not a big fan of keel clamps I like to use an old pillow and I can throw the ship about on that to any direction I need , each to there own just something to consider Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share #33 Posted March 7, 2017 Yeh i'm regretting it at this stage. It might be nice for decking. installing deck furniture or rigging (any upright activity) but this thing advertises that it's a hull planking clamp. I dare not put it on an angle any more. I'll need to ask the admiral for an old pillow, or I'll just steal hers Nirvana, Blighty and Steve 12345 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J T Lombard Posted March 7, 2017 Share #34 Posted March 7, 2017 Derek Try this link http://www.micromark.com/Triple-Duty-Foam-Cradle-for-Model-Ships regards J Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share #35 Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks J, may have to grab one, however I've had my account put on hold by the admiral. Nirvana and Blighty 2 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted March 7, 2017 Share #36 Posted March 7, 2017 I sure feel better when the planking is done for the same reason you've just encountered! You'll be there soon! Good luck for now. Nirvana, Worldway and Blighty 3 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J T Lombard Posted March 7, 2017 Share #37 Posted March 7, 2017 Derek Tax Refund coming?????? J Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share #38 Posted March 7, 2017 I have an issue I'm hoping someone can help me with. I have a feeling the answer is right in front of my face but I'll ask anyway. I want to install the Great Beam The instructions say the parts are on the laser cut billets, which of course, they are But my question is, why is there two of each beam when it seems obvious that only one is required I realize I have the beam upside down. It leaves me wondering if I am missing anything. Please comment. Jack12477, Nirvana and Elijah 3 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted March 7, 2017 Share #39 Posted March 7, 2017 Derek, Sometimes they laser cut two items since they have the space, same thing happened with the build of my longboat. There were extra pieces not being used. Jack12477 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 12345 Posted March 7, 2017 Share #40 Posted March 7, 2017 Is that drawing to scale derek hold two together and see if they make the correct thickness sometimes kits will require you to laminate pieces together Nirvana and Jack12477 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share #41 Posted March 7, 2017 Thanks Steve but the drawing is to scale and the billet that they are cut in is 3/32" thick. Nirvana and Jack12477 2 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share #42 Posted March 7, 2017 I'm thinking Per has the right response. I'll just wait a bit to see if someone who has built this kit can confirm. Jack12477 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted March 8, 2017 Share #43 Posted March 8, 2017 Derek check your pm inbox in some minutes Jack12477 1 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieG Posted March 8, 2017 Share #44 Posted March 8, 2017 Derek, I've just finished reading your Mare Nostrum log, and then this one. I really appreciate the 'warts and all' approach you have; you don't try to hide anything, and I'm learning a lot from your travails. Sorry that I don't have any brilliant advice to offer, but I just thought you'd like to know that your logs are really helping some people. Fright, Jack12477, Blighty and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share #45 Posted March 8, 2017 I really appreciate the kind words RichieG Nirvana and Fright 2 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share #46 Posted March 9, 2017 I installed the Great Beam tonight. There is a small problem with MS instructions in the fact that they tell you to install the waterways planking prior to installing the Great Beam. However, the beam should be the first thing to install. I had to cut out some planking to accommodate the beams. Then I had to add tiny filler pieces to the planking to correct for the error Anyway, the beam is installed. Luckily the waterways are going to be painted so it should hopefully hide the filler pieces. Elijah, Blighty, Nirvana and 2 others 5 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heronguy Posted March 9, 2017 Share #47 Posted March 9, 2017 Good save Derek. Don't you wish instructions were infallible - it would please me! Nirvana, Fright and Elijah 3 Quote Doug Current Builds: Bluenose II - AL / Krabbenkutter / Prince de Neufchatel / Essex Cross-section / Syren / Barque Stefano / Winchelsea / Half Hull / Maria HF31 - Dusek / Bandirma - Turkmodel On the Shelf: Santisima Trinidad and Cross Section / HMS Cutter Alert / Tender AVOS / Confederacy Suspended Build: Bluenose II - Billing Boats Nr 600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 9, 2017 Author Share #48 Posted March 9, 2017 Yes Doug you're right. But I think the biggest lesson learned and one that has been repeated several times over, READ AHEAD. Go forward in the instructions then assemble your own build plan. I've already skipped 4 or 5 steps in the manual, placed a post it note on the page to remind me that I'll eventually need to go back. For example, the instructions say to install the Knighheads and Hawse Timbers before planking the hull. But I think it would be best to plank the hull first prior to following those instructions. Reasoning is that I'll likely have to turn the model upside down during planking and those additions will cause the ship to sit askew and perhaps end up breaking them off during planking. Heronguy, Nirvana, Jack12477 and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 10, 2017 Author Share #49 Posted March 10, 2017 For the newer builders who might someday look at this build log I want to mention that I have tracked my time spent on the Bluenose and I can attest that I have spent 10 hours fairing the hull and I'm still not 100% satisfied. I didn't do the 10 hours all at once. I sanded, then added shims, then sanded more, and more, up to the point that I sanded out my shims because they weren't necessary but I thought I could perhaps cut some time off. I learned from my last build that the beginning stages are the most important and deserve extra attention. Another thing to be careful of is to make sure you don't sand out your rabbet as your fairing the hull. I started planking the hull tonight. I've added the first two rows. Because this is going to be a painted hull I have improvised between the two deck levels. It wasn't an easy transition between the two elevations but, again, because this will be filled with wood filler then painted I don't think it will ever be seen. There really isn't any pictures because there isn't much to show. I did add a little filler on the waterways because they will get painted anyway. Hopefully tomorrow I'll have some progress photos. Blighty, Heronguy, Elijah and 1 other 4 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fright Posted March 10, 2017 Share #50 Posted March 10, 2017 Your kit is starting to take shape - great work! Ah, those subtle moments when one hears a 'snap' while working on a piece! Like I said in my post, I'm getting off easy when I look at work like this. I'm on board but only as a passenger! Looking forward to seeing her set sail! Worldway, Blighty and Nirvana 3 Quote Robert O Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fnkershner Posted March 10, 2017 Share #51 Posted March 10, 2017 Derek - Among the many reasons I really like kits designed by Chuck is how he handles the Rabbit. As I mentioned this was my first build. and when I was cutting the rabbit the first time I went all the way thru to the other side. MS had to send me another keel. Also being my first build I wasn't sure how deep to make the cut. and I also use the same clamp you do and it was very weak. I have another suggestion for you. Some years ago someone showed me his hull "clamp". He took a large sock. Like a hiking sock that was almost knee high. He filled it with rice. and then used a zip tie to close the end. As you can tell this was a very expensive tool and if you create a pair of them you can get it to just about any shape you want. The Admiral will be very happy you did not take one of her pillows and impressed how frugal you are. Estoy_Listo 1 Quote Current Builds - 18th Century Longboat, MS Syren Completed Builds - MS Bluenose, Panart BatteStation Cross section, Endevour J Boat Half Hull, Windego Half Hull, R/C T37 Breezing Along, R/C Victoria 32, SolCat 18 On the shelf - Panart San Felipe, Euromodel Ajax, C.Mamoli America, Its a sailor's Life for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 11, 2017 Author Share #52 Posted March 11, 2017 Thanks for the comments Fnkershner, very good idea. But I was going to post tonight that I was wrong about the clamp that I have. I absolutely love it for planking. I just had the ship installed upside down. With it installed the correct way, it is stable and great that you can pose it any any angle. I'm continuing with the planking, nothing really special to report. Here is a couple of pics. Whoever thought of turning binder clips into planking clamps needs to have a ticker taper parade down New York City. Fantastic idea. As you can I used one Micro Mark planking clamp because I ran out of binder clips. They work well too but take a bit to install. I think planking is going to take a while. Members fnkershner, hof00, Pierretessier and 5 others 8 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pierretessier Posted March 11, 2017 Share #53 Posted March 11, 2017 Looking like you're making headway. I know what you mean about fairing the hull. I just began mine. Slow going and tender handling. Keep up the good work. I'm enjoying the build. Elijah and Nirvana 2 Quote Pierre. All in all it's pretty relaxing when you just take your time..... Current build Santa Maria by MarisStella Completed Batelina by MarisStella Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 17, 2017 Author Share #54 Posted March 17, 2017 Haven't posted in a bit but all I've been doing is working on the hull planking. I haven't been able to spend a ton of time on the Bluenose, maybe an hour a day, 2 or 3 days a week if that. i wanted to also mention that the deadeyes that come with the kit are laser cut on the billet. You have to cut each one out and you have a deadeye that is only 1/16" or so thick. I decided to buy some 4 mm deadeyes from Syren. Wow, these are nice, they come in three pieces, but assembly is simple. They are a lot thicker and you end up with a groove in the middle of them. Very impressed. That loose plank under the clamp is there to remind me that I have already cut and fit the final extension plank to finish that row. I didn't have time to install it today. Haliburton, GuntherMT, Pierretessier and 6 others 9 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hof00 Posted March 17, 2017 Share #55 Posted March 17, 2017 Nice job Sir!! Nirvana 1 Quote Completed Builds: A/L Bluenose II A/L Mare Nostrum Sergal/Mantua Cutty Sark A/L Pen Duick A/L Fulgaro Amati/Partworks 1/200 Bismarck A/L Sanson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWhale Posted March 18, 2017 Share #56 Posted March 18, 2017 Nice work on the planking, Derek! I'm working on the same build, also doing the planking. How did you get the planks to fit together so nicely at the stern where the stern blocks are very curved? Did you bevel the planks along the long edges? Thanks, Rabi Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve 12345 Posted March 18, 2017 Share #57 Posted March 18, 2017 Nice job derek Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donrobinson Posted March 18, 2017 Share #58 Posted March 18, 2017 Looks Derek, two - three hours a day a couple times a week all adds up, keep having fun Nirvana 1 Quote Completed: MS-AVS, Amati Trabaccolo, Dusek ship's boat, AL-Mayflower, Batelina - MarisStella, MarisStella-Trabakul Liburnian Novilara - MarisStella, 17th Century Battle Station, Ragusian Galley-MarisStella Current: Barque Stefano - MarisStella, On Hold: Amati Pegasus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Worldway Posted March 18, 2017 Author Share #59 Posted March 18, 2017 11 hours ago, DaddyWhale said: Nice work on the planking, Derek! I'm working on the same build, also doing the planking. How did you get the planks to fit together so nicely at the stern where the stern blocks are very curved? Did you bevel the planks along the long edges? Thanks, Rabi Hi Rabi, So far I haven't had to do any beveling. The planks fall nicely into place with very little force if any. The practicum I use as reference suggests you can lay about 18 rows without any beveling. Why can't I find your build log? Nirvana 1 Quote Derek If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather wood, divide the work and give orders. Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea Antoine de Saint Exupery Current Builds Bluenose - Model Shipways - 1:64 Scale Fair American - Model Shipways - 1:48 Scale HMS Winchelsea 1764 - Group Build On Deck Guns of History Naval Smoothbore Deck Gun - 1:24 Scale Finished Builds Mare Nostrum - Artesania Latina - 1:35 Scale Guns of History Carronade - Model Shipways - 1:24 Scale Member of the Nautical Research Guild Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWhale Posted March 18, 2017 Share #60 Posted March 18, 2017 3 hours ago, Worldway said: Hi Rabi, So far I haven't had to do any beveling. The planks fall nicely into place with very little force if any. The practicum I use as reference suggests you can lay about 18 rows without any beveling. Why can't I find your build log? Thanks. It looks really good. About my build log: it's on another forum. Best, Rabi Nirvana 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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