Bismark by kpnuts - Tamiya - 1/350 - PLASTIC

[kpnuts]

Hi all I got this last Xmas and although I don't get much modelling time these days I wanted to start it but as always with a difference I want to depict her during the battle as she's sinking and at the bottom of the sea, all at the same time.

I realise she didn't break up and apart from 35 meters of the stern is still in one piece on the bottom.

She landed practically on top of an undersea volcano which erupted and she slid down the side as the volcano erupted leaving her laying level on the seabed with her stern mostly covered.

My problem is do I play with the historical facts and cut her into 3 sections to depict what I want or is there a way of depicting the whole thing whist keeping her whole.

[yvesvidal]

There is an excellent book by Bob Ballard that depicts the wreck of the Bismarck. There are a lot of underwater pictures too.

Yves

Edited September 3, 2018 by yvesvidal

[channell]

The underwater volcano didn't erupt and the back section sheared off as the Bismarck sank. When it got to the bottom, the ship hit the slopes of an underwater volcano like a ton of bricks and caused an underwater avalanche, then ended up digging a huge trench through the mud before coming to a rest well down the slope.

 

Not as fun I guess... but it's interesting that Bismarck ended up on the bottom more or less in one piece. All the other sunken WW2 battleships in deep water seem to be just heaps of unidentifiable wreckage. I suppose it's because they imploded as they sank but Bismarck was reportedly scuttled by her crew at the end to stop the Brit bombardment in the last battle.

 

Would love to see a well done Bissy wreck though... that would be a cool project!

Edited September 4, 2018 by channell

[kpnuts]

Hi all well I think I'm just going to go with the wreck dio ( will need a fair bit of scratch building but I'm up for it) 

As an interesting angle on size and shape look at this.

She was a tad bigger than the KGV but almost identical in shape.

Anyway made a start on painting her

Not going to go overboard with the painting as most of it won't be seen.

I must say I'm going to really enjoy this as I love doing rusty things (for those who don't know me i love doing cars and motorcycles, which I usually do with a fair bit of ware and tear)

As per this example.

[yvesvidal]

Very nice set of Citroen Traction Avant 15CV.

 

My brother (who lives in France) owns a fully restored 15CV (like your left side model) and a more modern 11CV with the larger trunk.

Great cars to drive and use for back roads trips.

 

Yves

[kpnuts]

Hi all well got the hull painted, as I said I'm not too worried about the accuracy of the painting as most of it won't be seen when it's on the sea bed and yes I know the stern painting is a bit off but since that will be sheared off in the dio it won't be a problem, also another size comparison against the Titanic (which incidentally seems to be exactly the same length of the KGV although she was much higher makes me wonder were battleships given a low profile to make them harder to be seen.

[kpnuts]

Hi all before risking the actual ship to my first attempts at an underwater dio I tried an experiment does this look convincing took me ages (well 15 mins) I'm quite happy with it.

I'm trying to get it to look like this

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=Bismarck+Wreck+images&client=tablet-android-samsung&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiq66XgqK7dAhUqBsAKHYSJA_UQ_AUIESgB&biw=768&bih=1024#imgdii=AsOOKmDJJz7KHM:&imgrc=jjP8_UgTvFSHiM:

 

 

Edited September 9, 2018 by kpnuts

[clearway]

certainly captures the feel of an underwater seascape- and focus will be attracted to the wreck as well so no need for uber detail on seabed i suppose

[kpnuts]

Hi all drilled out a couple of the big turrets bases and added the traversing gear to the inside of one of them (still got to deepen the shaft and add some internal detail)I'm only planing on making the base a little larger than the model, should I still add the missing turrets and other superstructure that came off even though they were found a long way from the wreck.

Encase anyone thinks I've stopped working on the KGV I've not it's just the part I'm working on now has 4 pompoms and the PE takes ages.

[lmagna]

Just a question.

 

After post #2 all of the pictures on this build cannot be viewed on my browser. I normally use Chrome and don't have issues here or other locations on the web, but in this case the only way I can look at the pictures on this build is to switch to IE of all things! I am running Win 7. 

[Old Collingwood]

1 hour ago, lmagna said:

Just a question.

 

After post #2 all of the pictures on this build cannot be viewed on my browser. I normally use Chrome and don't have issues here or other locations on the web, but in this case the only way I can look at the pictures on this build is to switch to IE of all things! I am running Win 7. 

Same  for me lou  I view using win 7 and firefox, but sofar have not seen any of these pictures that Kp posts,  I see them on the other forum he uses.

 

OC.

[Canute]

I'm running a Win10 computer and Firefox 62. I see all the photos fine.

[lmagna]

It may be a windows 7 thing then. Not a big deal I suppose, as I can follow along by switching to IE for this build, Thanks for the replies I always worry that I am doing something wrong if I am the only one.

[Old Collingwood]

1 hour ago, lmagna said:

It may be a windows 7 thing then. Not a big deal I suppose, as I can follow along by switching to IE for this build, Thanks for the replies I always worry that I am doing something wrong if I am the only one.

No lou,   I think we are the same using old school  systems.

 

OC.

[lmagna]

Could be true OC.

 

I am intentionally holding off on Win 10 until I have to go over to the dark side. I already have to use it whenever I need to deal with something on my kids computers but I just can't find myself liking it for some reason. I also had the same problem using 7/Firefox so I think that pretty much limits the problem to something within my computer, or Win 7. I still find it odd that only the old outdated IE works in this case. 

Edited September 12, 2018 by lmagna

[Canute]

I'm using Win 7/Firefox, too, on this entry. You may need to update your "old, outdated" system.

[Jack12477]

I'm using Win XP <horrors >, Firefox. No problems here

Edited September 12, 2018 by Jack12477

[lmagna]

3 hours ago, Canute said:

You may need to update your "old, outdated" system.

Hi Ken

I did a Win 7 update last night and the results are still the same, no pictures after post #2 I will have to see what happens when KP makes another post. I think there may also be an issue that the oldest outdated system in my house is ME!

 

Jack,

 

XP? Wow you are almost dating back to the Neanderthal, or at least the Cro Magnon period. Do your kids laugh at you and give you sideways looks when they think you are not looking like mine do?

[mtaylor]

Win7 and Chrome... same issues with not seeing the pictures.   Very strange.

[paulsutcliffe]

Windows 10 and edge, no problems at all

[kpnuts]

I'm sorry for all the problems I'm causing. I've not had a laptop or tower system for ages i only use my Samsung tab s2 or my phone an LG 5se (the absolute worst phone I ever had ) I don't get any reports of errors on other sites I'm on. I use tinypic for hosting the pics (used to use and loved imbue but stopped working for me)incidentally I loved xp the best operating system they ever had it all went down hill from then.

Hopefully people might be able to see this next update.

I had to drill out the lower deck to allow for the details I have to add as the turrets won't be there.

And gave the decking it's first coat of paint

As you can see the traversing gear needs a bit of work 

 

[mtaylor]

Are you uploading them to MSW?  There's a "Drag files here to attach, or choose files" at the lower left hand side.   Hit "choose files".  Once in put the course where you want the picture.  Then use the left side of the thumbnail (high and hard to see) to insert the photo.

[lmagna]

KP

Still have to switch to IE to see the pictures but it is looking good.

[mtaylor]

Hmm.. weird.  I'm seeing them also if I go to IE11 instead of Chrome.  OS is Win7.   Very strange and very slow to load the page.

 

Looking good now that I can see the pics but IE 11 loads all pages (not just this one) dead dog slow.   Need to wrap my head around this.  I'll also ask the Admins.

[Old Collingwood]

I just keep all my pic files in my windows picture viewer, and when I want to display them on here I just drag them into the box with my post.

 

OC.

[lmagna]

3 hours ago, mtaylor said:

dead dog slow. 

Hi Mark

What I have been doing is copying the link at the top of the page here in Chrome, open IE, (Tell it that I DO NOT want it as my default browser) paste it in place in IE and hit "enter." As far as I know only this page opens. I leave the Chrome addition open as well as everything else works in Chrome and I just switch back when I am done with this post. 

[Old Collingwood]

9 hours ago, kpnuts said:

I'm sorry for all the problems I'm causing. I've not had a laptop or tower system for ages i only use my Samsung tab s2 or my phone an LG 5se (the absolute worst phone I ever had ) I don't get any reports of errors on other sites I'm on. I use tinypic for hosting the pics (used to use and loved imbue but stopped working for me)incidentally I loved xp the best operating system they ever had it all went down hill from then.

Hopefully people might be able to see this next update.

I had to drill out the lower deck to allow for the details I have to add as the turrets won't be there.

And gave the decking it's first coat of paint

As you can see the traversing gear needs a bit of work 

 

Dont worry mate - not your fault,   we will get yours pics through some how.

 

OC.

[lmagna]

Kp

No need to feel bad about the pictures. I think we have all found a way to follow your build by working our own work around's. Concentrate on your build and as Dubz says try and upload the pictures directly from your phone and the problem should go away at our end. I have no idea on how to upload pictures directly from a phone but I am sure you can do it.  

[kpnuts]

Hi all started on the base 

I've tried to get the seabed undulations as like the photos as I can, still got some fine tweaking to do to it yet.

I've drawn some of the damage on the hull and decking I'm thinking of using a soldering iron to inflict it.

[kpnuts]

Hi all made a start on the damage, there is a load to add but I think it's an ok start.

I'm afraid no more modelling for a week as off on hols.