Dwight Posted August 4, 2019 Share #1 Posted August 4, 2019 Does anyone know of a kit builder who a) builds POF models and b) isn't banned thibaultron 1 Quote Dwight current build : Fair America by Model Shipways Completed Build : 18th Century Armed Longboat by Model Shipways : Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Under the bench : Syren by Model Shipways ,, Rattlesnake by Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted August 4, 2019 Share #2 Posted August 4, 2019 It depends on whether you're looking for true PoF or not. BlueJacket offer the Baltimore clipper Jefferson Davis, and though the ad copy says "true plank on frame", I believe it is actually modified from actual practice. Makes a great model, though. thibaultron, BobG and mtaylor 3 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Salmson 2, Speeljacht Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffT Posted August 4, 2019 Share #3 Posted August 4, 2019 Check out Okumoto ship models. Not sure where to buy them though. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote Jeff In progress: Medway Longboat 1742 - Syren Ship Model Company -1/2" scale USS Constitution - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Granado - CAF Model - 1:48 HMS Sphinx - Vanguard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted August 5, 2019 Share #4 Posted August 5, 2019 2 hours ago, ccoyle said: It depends on whether you're looking for true PoF or not. BlueJacket offer the Baltimore clipper Jefferson Davis, and though the ad copy says "true plank on frame", I believe it is actually modified from actual practice. Makes a great model, though. Likewise, the Bluejacket America is POF... mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsdpic Posted August 5, 2019 Share #5 Posted August 5, 2019 38 minutes ago, Gregory said: Likewise, the Bluejacket America is POF... At least the larger one is. I've lost momentum working on mine, though see my build log (in the signature) for a look at it. mtaylor and thibaultron 2 Quote - Gary Current Build: Artesania Latina Sopwith Camel Completed Builds: Blue Jacket America 1/48th Annapolis Wherry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted August 5, 2019 Share #6 Posted August 5, 2019 Depends on how large a boat you are talking about. Several manufactures including Model Shipways, Master Korabel and I think Dusek make PoF models of open boats. thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thibaultron Posted August 6, 2019 Share #7 Posted August 6, 2019 The Model Shipways Emma C. Berry is a POF. I believe it is also a true POF. The Bluejacket 1/96th Bluenose, is a semi POF, as not all the frames on the original are included in the plans or kit. As for the BJ 1/48th BN and the JD, I have no knowledge of them. mtaylor and grsjax 2 Quote Ron Thibault Shipjack Carrie Price from Pyro kit, with upgraded detailing and history. Going From A 2D Drawing To A 3D Printed Part Tutorial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted August 8, 2019 Share #8 Posted August 8, 2019 To essay as to why this search may be a dry hole The two "POF" schooner kits - Are not what an actual POF hull would be. They appear to be at best 1/3 room and 2/3 space. Almost a cartoon, if the frames are left unplanked. The Hahn method - a modeler's convention - not a reproduction of actual hull framing is 1/2 room and 1/2 space. The actual framing - from the early 18th century until 1860 was individual to the ship and country of origin. An average - would be closer to 2/3 room and 1/3 space. The other extreme - with some Continental frigates - all room except for all but invisible air circulation gaps. Framing these as built and showing the frames - it would be essentially a solid vertical wall - not visually interesting at all. Leaving out every other bend - a more interesting hull. Since this is Hahn's period of interest, perhaps this is a source for his style. It is my experience that a true POF hull - either done using a modeler's convention style e.g. Hahn/ Navy Board or actually mimicking the the actual vessel would be difficult to mass produce. It is labor intensive, No two parts are identical. Current methods - especially Hahn or Navy Board - have a high waste factor in timber wood stock - almost profligate. And the wood species needed for the timbers can be expensive. In actual practice, a first rate almost required a forest to frame. In England, the first real one was so expensive, the tax revolt was a tipping point for a major change in governance. The requirements for timber stock for a model in the larger scale range almost feels as significant. With the methods in current use, about the only short cut is to start with a set of plans or monograph with the individual frames already lofted. thibaultron and Canute 2 Quote NRG member 45 years Current: HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 ship - timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted August 8, 2019 Share #9 Posted August 8, 2019 The Alert from Trident Model may not be too far in the future.. thibaultron and Canute 2 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEDDO Posted August 8, 2019 Share #10 Posted August 8, 2019 Can’t believe one has recommended the best plank on frame company....Our very own Syren ship mode company has 2 of the best plank on frame models currently available. Both the Queen Anne Barge and the Longboat kits fit the bill Ryland Craze, Canute, Gregory and 5 others 8 Quote Michael Shipwrights of Ohio Current Build: ... Completed Builds: Queen Anne Barge - Syren, Pinnace - MS, Halifax 1768 - LSS, Murrelet - Pygmy, Swift 1805 - AL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwight Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share #11 Posted August 8, 2019 Greg , thats the one I was thinking of. It's Chinese so I would expect some friction from NRG. There is a build log on the Alert so maybe some of the Chinese manufacturers have figured it out thibaultron and mtaylor 2 Quote Dwight current build : Fair America by Model Shipways Completed Build : 18th Century Armed Longboat by Model Shipways : Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Under the bench : Syren by Model Shipways ,, Rattlesnake by Model Shipways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory Posted August 8, 2019 Share #12 Posted August 8, 2019 So far, I don't believe Triton has raised any flags with the Admin here. The work they are doing appears to be totally original. mtaylor, Ryland Craze, Canute and 1 other 4 Quote “Indecision may or may not be my problem.” ― Jimmy Buffett Current builds: Rattlesnake (Scratch From MS Plans On Hold: HMS Resolution ( AKA Ferrett ) In the Gallery: Yacht Mary, Gretel, French Cannon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipper1947 Posted October 15, 2020 Share #13 Posted October 15, 2020 On 8/4/2019 at 4:40 PM, JJT said: Check out Okumoto ship models. Not sure where to buy them though. Their web site is ec.en.ship-model.net but all their models say they are sold out. It has said this for the past while. Not sure what that means. Maybe they just don't ship outside of Japan? mtaylor, Canute and JeffT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grsjax Posted October 16, 2020 Share #14 Posted October 16, 2020 CAF models has some really nice POF models. JeffT, Ryland Craze, skipper1947 and 3 others 6 Quote My advice and comments are always worth what you paid for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skipper1947 Posted October 16, 2020 Share #15 Posted October 16, 2020 14 hours ago, grsjax said: CAF models has some really nice POF models. Cool! I had never heard of them before. On their site now. Thanks. thibaultron, mtaylor and Canute 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James H Posted October 16, 2020 Share #16 Posted October 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, skipper1947 said: Cool! I had never heard of them before. On their site now. Thanks. There you go: Ryland Craze, skipper1947, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! On the bench: HMS Indefatigable - 1794 (production prototype), Vanguard Models - 1:64. On Hold: HMS Winchelsea Double Capstan - Syren Ship Models - 1:48 Finished US Baltimore Armed Privateer Schooner Grecian 1812 (prototype) - Vanguard Models - 1:64 'Zulu' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 Fifie' fishing boat, Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Flirt 1782, Vanguard Models - 1:64. Duchess of Kingston c.1780 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 HMS Sphinx 1775, Vanguard Models - 1:64 ERYCINA - Plymouth Ketch-Rigged Trawler 1882, Vanguard Models - 1:64. 'Nisha' - The Brixham 'Mumble-Bee' - Vanguard Models 1:64 'Saucy Jack' fishing boat - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Ranger 'Barking Fish Carrier' - 1864 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Indeterminate: Tender Avos - Master Korabel - 1:72. H.M.S. Victory (production prototype) - Amati - 1:64. HMS Granado 1742 (cross section) - CAFModel - 1:48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted October 16, 2020 Share #17 Posted October 16, 2020 I heartily second Jaager’s August 7th post above. Why build a model highlighting exposed framing if it doesn’t represent actual practice for the ship involved? An exception would be the overlapping frame convention for Admiralty style models of Eighteenth Century ships, a model of a model. In fact there was a huge huge variation in framing practices depending on where the ship was built and who built it. For example when the 1840’s vintage Charles W. Morganwas replanked several years ago at Mystic Seaport they were surprised to find many frame segments that were not fastened to their neighbors. They had apparently been added as planking went forward. Not all framing was fully lofted and assembled beforehand. BTW there are two Syren kit longboat models, the original 1:48 scale version and the later 1:24 scale Medford Longboat kit. While both kits are technically plank on frame, the 1:48 scale kit does not reflect actual framing practice for these boats. The 1:24 kit does feature the closer spaced frames and overlapping floors and futtocks of the actual boat. Roger mtaylor, JpR62, Ryland Craze and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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