Cutty Sark by NenadM

[NenadM]

@ Bob,I understand that impatience to climb to deck eats your rudder

@Mat, I noticed on photos different amount of shine on hull, and it seems as that on first days after reopening, on hull was little more shine and little more red gamut instead little less shine and little more dark green as times go by. But I am not so sure. Only thing I am sure is that my coopering is for now too much shiney, and that I must do something about. With shine surfaces, light source and colored objects near make changes in color of reflection of light. And try to hit it, if you can !

Fresh photos are always wellcome

Edited August 14, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Preparing for ... or just playing ???

 

 

And finally (with Hothead`s little help) learned to use layers in Photoshop !!!!

[clearway]

Strongly recommend lacquering the copper - i recently refurbished an old model of hms victory for the lad in the local modelship which was over 25 years old and a lot of the copper had gone black!

Keith

[NenadM]

This will be done, Keith. What do you think about very thin layer of mat warnish on other parts of hull-deck-masts ? I think that dust in that case will be easier to remove, and possibility of accidental scrap damage will be minimized. But I am not sure about this considering acryl paints I use

Edited August 14, 2014 by Nenad M

[clearway]

I coat my hulls with a couple of layers of matt varnish- you can now get hold of acrylic quick drying varnish which should be ok with the paints you are using. I varnished the decks, deckhouses and masts where they are a wood finish but did not varnish any other painted areas except for the hull as already mentioned. You can buy spray on lacquer for the copper which may be better than using varnish? the copper on my cutty was applied and lacquered around 16 years ago and still looks reasonable.

Keith

[DORIS]

Outstanding work, I admire your model a precise planking a lot.
I wish you a lot of success during the build and looking forward to continuing
Doris

[NenadM]

Thank you for your fine words, Doris. I think I do not deserve compliments from such a master you are.

And here are my inpatience first (in life) trying and testing with clay and gold acrylic I bought today

This is targeted piece





Comparing to drawing ( only 6mm !!!!!)



On a position ... from distance it looks like ...



macro photo show inpatience and mess



And another messy and no precise trying to get relief with clay (down) and to paint with hand (up) on a black painted surface.

There will be more tests and. excersizes, and in mean time FINISH COOPERING NENAD!!! YOU ARE NOT A FROG TO JUMP HERE AND THERE

Edited August 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[DORIS]

Very nice result with the clay. It is quite easy to work with it, only needs a bit of training and suitable tools. Cold water is also very useful, because the clay is usually sticky in a normal temperature, and if you dip metal tools in icy water, the work with clay is easier.

Best regards,

Doris

[johnroy]

My name is john roy and I am working on an older Sergal Cutty Sark kit. I have the deck planked and the hull double planked and its now time to put the copper plating on, however the plans I have are in Italian and it is hard to decipher the instructions. I have been using a computer program to convert Italian to English but it is very slow going. Does anyone have instructions on installing the plating? Is this the right area to be asking this question? I have been following your posts and it is very interesting and informative. I would greatly appreciate any help.

 

johnroy

[mtaylor]

Johnroy,

 

Try posting your question here...http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/24-wood-ship-model-kit-questions-and-reviews/   Build log tend not to get the traffic as much as the more general forums.   The reason is, those who may know might not read a particular build if they have no interest.  Also, many who build kits, never ever look in the scratch builds. 

[rfolsom]

I like the tests, so far, Nenad.  I really hope there is an easier method... I can't sculpt! 

[NenadM]

John

Reading MSW I concluded that different ships in different time had different way of plating. Also in different kits instructions are different at the same ship, also to the CS. And there are some general rules.

Between all this, I found "my way" trying to follow general rules and to get result as presented on She today, and that two approach did not match. Question is - what dou you want from your model. If you think I could help with my method about something you can not see in my posts, feel free to ask here or in a PM. I am not really shure what are you looking for

Edited August 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[johnroy]

Nenad

Looks like its coming along just fine. I'm trying to get my nerve up to start coppering, will keep watching

 

johnroy

[Sven]

Hi Nenad

I visited the Cutty sark this morning and took some photos of the coppering which has dulled down in the last couple of months

 

[NenadM]

Thank you Matt, it seems that shine from re-opening is blown with the wind ...

Edited August 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

And it seems for modellers of Her in present state, that regular coopering with ptefabricated cooper plates is no accurate aproach any more without weathering on specific way

Edited August 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

This evening, after grass joy and painting walls in toilet, I did final test how to kill reflection of plated "coopered" surface

 

According to Matt`s pictures in post above, it seems that this will be final solution

 

 

 

 

Excess of shine is removed, and little bit of dark green is presented.

 

I got this efect mixing very very little bit of acrylic paints in acrylic mat warnish, and, again, whole approach to desired look will be more artistic than by rules - painting plated shrface of hull as painting picture

 

I hope you like this as I do. tomorrow I am on road for two days, and can not wait to return and finaly finish this stage

Edited August 17, 2014 by Nenad M

[popeye the sailor]

considering how much of the hull you have coppered, have you considered finding a product that will dull out the shine. perhaps lightly going over it with steel wool? I know you'd need to be careful not to pull any of them up, but it may be effective. ......the use of diluted washes and greenish patina?

[michael mott]

the colour of the test piece looks great Nenad.

 

Michael

[NenadM]

... perhaps lightly going over it with steel wool? ...

 

...patina?

 

Denis, cheated a while, as I wrote earlier. Just to remember, hunting right color for strips, I found this foil which is ... paper/plastic thiny colored self-adhesive wallpaper, and steel wool would ruin it easily

 

Patina ? Oh, yes, but at the same end before masts, when I can see complete look and feel of model and decide what kind and look of patina it needs

 

Thank you all for nice words and support

Addendum 19:30

 

First coat of mat covering is done, must wait to dry well before second coat

And about patina ... some pictures from Croatian Champion R.Vlahovic`s model U-boot 552, which get silver medal on World championship of ship-model section "C" this year in Zagora, Bulgaria

 

Pictures are from earlier stage of building

And that is patina made by master !!!!

 

 

Edited August 21, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Notice about small elements and parts on outside bulwark and hull

 

In my post #575 I attached file "small elements and parts" in *.pdf format. Approaching that stage, i trided to open this file, but I discovered that attached file is damaged. Then I tried to make new and replace, but ... original document is in MS Word, 5 MB large, and MSW demand for reducing to 2MB *.pdf file make pictures unclear. Considering I noticed over 20 - I suppose unsuccessful - downloads of this file, I suppose, with great disappointment because nothing can open.

 

So, if anybody is still interested in this file, I ll be glad to send original MSWORD file to designed private mail with no size restrictions

 

And Matt, thanks again !!! 

Edited August 22, 2014 by Nenad M

[NenadM]

Second layer of mat varnish done, with little artistic "patina"

 

Comparing to Svens`s pictures in post on previous page, and comparing with next picture of CS in Her present stage

 

 

I think I get what I want

 

On first picture, on the left side of model is original foil I use for comparing shine with "killed shine"

 

Second picture is with macro look of "patina"

 

 

Third and fourth pictures are here to show still presented but muted reflection of another color near hull (red surface on which She is laid to)

 

 

 

Let this sleep for a while, and after next two days trip on Monday, and then to decide about eventually next layer of varnish

 

In mean time ... it is obviously time to replace my phone which start to work irregular after more than a 3 years ( HTC Wildfire without S). What next phone will be ? That is today great philosophy, which need a lot of time and research to compare different models. I do not need or want phone as symbol of status (I do not care for this after 30 years of work - judges and clients know me very well and I can go on trials and meetings in jeans if I want), and do not want to burn 500-1000€ for such a thing, but want something good and reliable for reasonable amount of money. And there problem start. For instance, HTC Desire  X (which I prefer as a relative small one - I do not like phones with 1 m2 surface of screen - it looks silly when you use it as a phone - as you put a plate on your ear ) is Dual Core 1 Ghz and dimensions 118 x 62 x 9 mm, and at same prize are:  HTC Desire 310 which is Quad Core 1,3 Ghz , but 132 x 68 x 11 . and Huawei Ascend G630, same price, also Quad Core 1,2 Ghz , but 143 x 71 x 7,8 mm ... Where is the catch ?

Edited August 22, 2014 by Nenad M

[kees de mol]

The copper plating is looking good!

[dgbot]

Looking good amigo.

David B

[mtaylor]

Nice work on the plating.   As for the phone... I would never advise as phones are something very personal to most folks.  Me... no data, no texting, just a phone is best.

[michael mott]

 

Me... no data, no texting, just a phone is best.

Couldn't agree more.

 

Model is looking good Nenad, I prefer the toned down colour to a shiny copper bottom.

 

Michael

[rfolsom]

I spend $5 for a phone;  (yes, five dollars) and $25 for 1000 minutes;   people who pay more need their heads' checked...

[NenadM]

Thx for nice words to everybody


About phone ... I dont think so. I need my office schedule everywhere sinhronized with office calendar everywhere I move. Need road navigation. Need to listen my favourite music in move. Need to make solid photos. Need mail on road. Need to read news somewhere when get time. Need possibility to jump to MSW when I want. And dont think I am geek. In a word, all that in one, and much more can be found in phone today, and I am not lazy to learn

To the subject ... I visited Her to see what She think about dress ... woman ... know exactly what she dont want, but dont know what she want.

 

I told Her "Until you decide, Im going to bowling and to travel" and left Her

Bowling with Admiral, her Mom (80) and kids first time in my life, and we have realy great time

And I have pain in legs and arms ( 15kg bowl) ...

Edited August 25, 2014 by Nenad M

[rfolsom]

Hope my comment didn't offend anyone,  I meant it to be taken with a grain of salt..    Of course smart phones are very useful;  my "dumb" phone just serves my needs;  talk, text, music, pictures (not great quality, but still better than my first digital camera).  Road navigation definitely would be nice;  I'm just wary about all the contracts providers can rope you into, not to mention the price of replacing a lost, stolen, or broken phone...

[NenadM]

No,Bob, it is just my bad english and I can not/dont know how to use it to fine tune sentences and chose proper words, so my writing sometimes look sharper than I want. Yes, I am a kind of fool, but not fool enough to spent 200-500€ for phone or to get expencive user package. I use package with 150 min outgoing calls to other networks and unlimited incoming calls with unlimited i/o calls inside network ( in my kind of job, other often call me that I cal them), 500 SMS and 500MB for subscription fee of 10€ per month and designed phone to that package for 50€ divided on 6 month rates. Type of phones which go with that package are mentioned above an they are good! Much much better than my old HTC Wildfire. And, why not to get good phone on such a good conditions and for additional 10€ per month in next six months? Particularu I like phones and need that additional phone possibilities

Edited August 25, 2014 by Nenad M