HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 #1 Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) My name is Glenn, and I have just joined as a new member of this fantastic forum. I have modelling experience of kits, but not scratch building a ship. This is something I would love to do, but one step at a time. My interest in the sea stems from my father, who was in the Royal Navy as a submariner. His boat was HMS Artful, hence my username. His post aboard the Artful was electrician first class, and when he was not fixing things of an electrical nature he was helping in the engine room. I am currently researching my fathers service in the Royal Navy and the Artful, and would love to post the results of my research here on the forum, if I am allowed to do this of course. The first model I intend to build is a 1:144 scale of HMS Artful in the Astute class. I would dearly love to build an Amphion class submarine of the same name to honour my fathers service, but cannot find a kit of this type. Perhaps this might be my first scratch build? I would like to take this opportunity to say hello to you all, and most importantly say that I am here to learn as well as to build. Hello friends! kind regards Glenn😀 Edited September 4, 2022 by HMS Artful Correction mtaylor, Dave_E, Haliburton and 4 others 7 Quote
allanyed Posted September 4, 2022 #2 Posted September 4, 2022 37 minutes ago, HMS Artful said: I am here to learn as well as to build. Hello Glenn A very warm welcome to you! Good luck in your research and building. With well over 40,000 members, we have that many levels of experience and we are all continually learning new things so will not be alone in your quest. Allan Keith Black, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #3 Posted September 4, 2022 Thank you Allan 😀 Edwardkenway, Keith Black, Dave_E and 1 other 4 Quote
Edwardkenway Posted September 4, 2022 #4 Posted September 4, 2022 Glenn, welcome to MSW Keith Black, mtaylor and Dave_E 3 Quote Current builds; Henry Ramey Upcher 1:25 - on hold HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 Completed: HM Cutter Sherbourne- 1:64 - FINISHED Triton cross section scratch- 1:60 - FINISHED Providence whaleboat- 1:25 - FINISHED Non ship: SBD-3 Dauntless 1:48 Hasegawa -FINISHED
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #5 Posted September 4, 2022 Hi Edward and thank you for the welcome kind regards Glenn 😀 Keith Black, mtaylor, Dave_E and 1 other 4 Quote
Keith Black Posted September 4, 2022 #6 Posted September 4, 2022 Glenn. welcome to MSW. Glad to have you aboard. mtaylor, Dave_E and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
ccoyle Posted September 4, 2022 #7 Posted September 4, 2022 Welcome aboard, Glenn! Be sure to check out our forum areas for nautical history and research -- your father's boat will be appropriate material for those sections. Cheers! mtaylor, Keith Black, Dave_E and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, DS Børøysund
Knocklouder Posted September 4, 2022 #8 Posted September 4, 2022 The Place to be !!! Edwardkenway, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Start so you can Finish !! Finished: The Sea of Galilee Boat-Scott Miller-1:20 , Amati } Hannah Ship in a Bottle:Santa Maria : LA Pinta : La Nana : The Mayflower : Viking Ship Drakkar The King Of the Mississippi Artesania Latina 1:80 Current Build: Royal Yacht, Duchess of Kingston-Vanguard Models
Dave_E Posted September 4, 2022 #9 Posted September 4, 2022 Hi Glenn, welcome to the forum! 👍😀 Edwardkenway, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models
glbarlow Posted September 4, 2022 #10 Posted September 4, 2022 Always great to have another Glenn on board, especially with the correct spelling with two n’s. Welcome! Edwardkenway, mtaylor, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Royal Barge, Medway Long Boat Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #11 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Keith Black said: Glenn. welcome to MSW. Glad to have you aboard. Thank you Keith. Kind Regards Glenn Dave_E, Edwardkenway, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #12 Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, ccoyle said: Welcome aboard, Glenn! Be sure to check out our forum areas for nautical history and research -- your father's boat will be appropriate material for those sections. Cheers! Thank you for the welcome and I certainly will check out those sections. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction. kind regards Glenn 😀 Dave_E, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #13 Posted September 4, 2022 49 minutes ago, Knocklouder said: The Place to be !!! Thank you so much! kind regards Glenn Edwardkenway, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #14 Posted September 4, 2022 50 minutes ago, Dave_E said: Hi Glenn, welcome to the forum! 👍😀 Thanks for the welcome Dave! 👍 kind regards Glenn mtaylor, Edwardkenway and Keith Black 3 Quote
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #15 Posted September 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, glbarlow said: Always great to have another Glenn on board, especially with the correct spelling with two n’s. Welcome! Thank you for the welcome Glenn. Yes us Glenn’s have to stick together 😁 kind regards Glenn Edwardkenway, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote
mtaylor Posted September 4, 2022 #16 Posted September 4, 2022 Welcome to MSW, Glenn. Chris gave good advice on where to start research. It may take some time, but usually someone has some answers. As always though... every answer leads to more questions, which is a good thing as it increases knowledge. HMS Artful, Keith Black and Edwardkenway 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
flutlo6180 Posted September 4, 2022 #17 Posted September 4, 2022 Hi Glenn. Welcome aboard! HMS Artful, Edwardkenway, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Ken Current Build Fair American - Model Shipways Completed Builds 18TH Century Merchantman Half Hull Planking Kit - NRG San Juan Felucca - OcCre HM Cutter Alert - 1777 - Vanguard
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #18 Posted September 4, 2022 4 hours ago, mtaylor said: Welcome to MSW, Glenn. Chris gave good advice on where to start research. It may take some time, but usually someone has some answers. As always though... every answer leads to more questions, which is a good thing as it increases knowledge. Thank you for the welcome, I shall heed your advice. 😀 kind regards Glenn Edwardkenway, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote
HMS Artful Posted September 4, 2022 Author #19 Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, flutlo6180 said: Hi Glenn. Welcome aboard! Thank you! 😀 kind regards Glenn mtaylor, Keith Black and Edwardkenway 3 Quote
Baker Posted September 5, 2022 #20 Posted September 5, 2022 Keith Black, Edwardkenway and mtaylor 3 Quote Regards, Patrick Finished : Soleil Royal Heller 1/100 Wasa Billing Boats Bounty Revell 1/110 plastic (semi scratch) Pelican / Golden Hind 1/45 scratch Current build : Mary Rose 1/50 scratch große-jacht / Yacht D'Oro 1/50 Corel Gallery : Revell Bounty Pelican/Golden hind 1/45 scratch Shore leave, non ship models build logs : ADGZ M35 funkwagen 1/72 Einhets Pkw. Kfz.2 and 4 1/72 Autoblinda AB40 1/72 122mm A-19 & 152mm ML-20 & 12.8cm Pak.44 {K8 1/2} 1/72 10.5cm Howitzer 16 on Mark. VI(e) Centurion Mk.1 conversion M29 Weasel 1/72 SAM6 1/72 T26 Finland T26 TN 1/72 Autoprotetto S37 1/72 Opel Blitz buses 1/72 Boxer and MAN trucks 1/72 Hetzer38(t) Starr 1/72 Cleaning the 1/72 military collection Si vis pacem, para bellum
HMS Artful Posted September 5, 2022 Author #21 Posted September 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Baker said: Hi Baker, Thank you for the welcome! 😀 kind regards Glenn Edwardkenway, Keith Black, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote
CDR_Ret Posted September 5, 2022 #22 Posted September 5, 2022 (edited) Hey Glenn. Welcome aboard! Retired (US) submariner here. Looking forward to viewing your construction of your father's ship. Scratch would be definitely doable. Terry Edited September 5, 2022 by CDR_Ret mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Current project: Reconstructing plans for Matthew Turner's brigantine Galilee
HMS Artful Posted September 5, 2022 Author #23 Posted September 5, 2022 2 hours ago, CDR_Ret said: Hey Glenn. Welcome aboard! Retired (US) submariner here. Looking forward to viewing your construction of your father's ship. Scratch would be definitely doable. Terry Hi Terry, Thank you for the welcome. What class of submarine did you serve in? kind regards Glenn Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote
CDR_Ret Posted September 6, 2022 #24 Posted September 6, 2022 (edited) Hey Glenn, Over my career, I served in a 637-class long-hull, a 637 short-hull, built a 688, and served as XO in several boomers during a decommissioning of one. Didn't like the boomers... Edited April 14, 2023 by CDR_Ret Keith Black, mtaylor, ccoyle and 1 other 2 2 Quote Current project: Reconstructing plans for Matthew Turner's brigantine Galilee
HMS Artful Posted September 8, 2022 Author #25 Posted September 8, 2022 On 9/6/2022 at 10:55 PM, CDR_Ret said: Hey Glenn, Over my career, I served in a 637-class long-hull (USS Parche, SSN 683), a 637 short-hull (USS Hawkbill, SSN 666), built a 688 (USS Bremerton, SSN 698), and served as XO in the boomers USS Andrew Jackson (SSBN 619) and USS George Bancroft (SSBN 643). Didn't like the boomers... Hi Terry, what didn’t you like about the boomers? Kind regards Glenn 😀 mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote
CDR_Ret Posted September 8, 2022 #26 Posted September 8, 2022 Well, I'll answer your question by describing what I liked about SSNs, first. When not on deployments, attack boats conducted what we called weekly ops. Routinely, underway on Monday, back in port on Friday, more or less. If you were lucky, you didn't have the duty over the weekend. Great for family life. SSNs were often tasked with interesting things like weapons evaluations, supporting fleet exercises, providing ASW services to the skimmers and VP assets, under-ice training, preparing for type-commander inspections, etc., etc. Occasionally, a boat would be scrambled to investigate a SOSUS contact or whatever. A very interesting and busy life. US boomers had a set schedule. 60 days in home port/90 days deployed--over and over again. "49 days and a wake-up." The time at home port was spent training, getting required schools, a little leave if possible. As XO, I also had to deal with the family issues of the deployed crew. You wouldn't believe how many teenaged sailors married even younger girls who had no clue how to budget. Spent all their husband's advanced pay after only a few weeks! When deployed, everyone got sick during the month-long refit due to long work hours, then we went to sea. We literally drilled holes through the ocean trying to avoid detection, which was our primary peacetime mission. Of course the crew kept busy with qualifications and drills, but after 14 years in tactical and intelligence work with SSNs, it was pretty boring. The two-crew concept also tended to lead to leaving problems to the other crew, which resulted in some acrimony between crews. Boomer crews also tended to be made up of mostly long-term boomer sailors, who often had a starkly different views of navy life and even worldviews compared to SSN sailors. Just some thoughts. Keith Black, ccoyle and mtaylor 3 Quote Current project: Reconstructing plans for Matthew Turner's brigantine Galilee
Keith Black Posted September 8, 2022 #27 Posted September 8, 2022 29 minutes ago, CDR_Ret said: As XO, I also had to deal with the family issues of the deployed crew I'm sure that made it difficult for your marriage. Dealing with the crew first left you and your family problems till last. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
CDR_Ret Posted September 8, 2022 #28 Posted September 8, 2022 (edited) Well, for the most part, that aspect of the job was actually one of the more meaningful roles I had to fill in off-crew, and I was glad to assist the families experiencing problems when their husbands/fathers weren't around. And it wasn't like I was alone. I had the assistance of the on-crew's ombudsman, and the CO, XO, and COB's wives, who were indispensible for handling on-crew family problems. I was more like the traffic cop, directing issues to the best-qualified to help. It was getting phone calls in the office from 16-year-old girls crying because they had spent all their husband's money that irked. And that happened more than once! My wife had more issues dealing with our own crew's wives... Sorry, didn't intend to hijack the welcome aboard. Edited September 8, 2022 by CDR_Ret Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Current project: Reconstructing plans for Matthew Turner's brigantine Galilee
Snug Harbor Johnny Posted September 8, 2022 #29 Posted September 8, 2022 Ahoy, mate! You'll likely find a world of info scattered throughout the form. You can use 'search words' in various ways to find likely build or discussion logs on the ship or topic desired. There are also indexes of build logs by time period/ship. Have fun! Johnny Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Completed builds: Khufu Solar Barge - 1:72 Woody Joe Current project(s): Gorch Fock restoration 1:100, Billing Wasa (bust) - 1:100 Billings, Great Harry (bust) 1:88 ex. Sergal 1:65
Keith Black Posted September 8, 2022 #30 Posted September 8, 2022 59 minutes ago, CDR_Ret said: My wife had more issues dealing with our own crew's wives... LOL mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration
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