Nereide by MICHELE PADOAN - scala 1/48

[Waldemar]

 

Thank you very much Gérard. I found your comments very informative, and the most surprising was your statement that J.-C. Lemineur adapted vertical sections of another ship to make his plans of La Néréïde. This explains much, as until now I have assumed that he has reconstructed the whole hull shape basing on the main frame profile as shown on the original plans/sections of La Néréïde (he had already made a similar try while reconstructing the frigate Le François 1683).

 

Indeed, all the frigate plans show these visually very attractive forecastle 'wings', but only very few of those 'wings' are as much large as in this case, which made me curious. Now it is clear... Thanks again.

 

 

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Below are all the pictures showing step by step how I proceed to build the subdivision. As the various baglietti are assembled, the paiolates, bulkheads and their respective uprights are placed and nailed together to form the various stores in the hold. Each part is thought out and constructed in such a way as to make everything as visible as possible. Everything is then treated with shellac and bitumen.

[MICHELE PADOAN]

I finished the compartmentalization.

[Waldemar]

 

Gérard, we are very happy to have a top expert like you on this forum, who have created the world's best and the most reliable ships' plans available.

 

Not sure if I may, but you have also stated the striking news that you have started a monograph of La Néréïde a few years ago. Should we expect two monographs on this ship? Or perhaps you collaborate with J.-C. Lemineur? Or do you work on another monograph now? Or something else? Apologies if my questions are too indiscreet.

 

 

[G. Delacroix]

Hello Waldemar

 

I stopped the elaboration of the monograph of La Néréïde because of the lack of the vertical section plan. I had adapted the sections of a similar ship, Le Jazon, and I had drawn all the frames and a little more. The idea that these were not the sections of La Néréïde bothered me a little and affected the rigor with which I work. On the other hand, monographs of this type of vessel are always somewhat identical. This is why I worked on Le Rochefort or the harbor dredger, which are more original and renew the subject a little.
I put this project on hold while waiting to find sources that would have satisfied me. In the meantime, I worked on other projects that gave me much satisfaction.
So there will not be two monographs and I am not collaborating with JCL, we do not have the same conception of this type of work.
I would like to take this opportunity to announce a (very) big preview of a new monograph to come, that of a privateer four-masted ship, the first modern four-masted ship of 1799, that is to say, very much ahead of those of the 1850s.

 

Michele, sorry for the drift of the subject.

 

GD 
 

[Waldemar]

 

Gérard,

 

So many important and excellent news in your post, thank you very much for them. However, I would try to talk on La Néréïde only, to not risk pushing Michele into the discomfort area 🙂. And the hopes are that Michele would be interested too.

 

Okay – while it is true that La Néréïde main vertical section is quite similar to that of Le Jazon, why not to try to reconstruct the whole hull shape of La Néréïde basing on the known conceptual methods from this period, so splendidly explained by Jean Boudriot in his works? Provided of course that such an attempt would suit the highest rigours of your work. It must be said that it is always some arbitrary choices are simply inevitable in such reconstructions anyway.

 

And the reconstruction of the hull shape by contemporary methods, especially those of B. Ollivier, known to us after all, could be much satisfying and even better than that done for Le François 1683. In this place I must explain that IMHO, while J.-C. Lemineur made an excellent overall job, I am not quite happy with his choice of the curve of the greatest breadth forward in plan (tracé de la lisse du fort avant en plan) and the non-tangential arcs of vertical sections at the height of the greatest breadth line. And I suspect that the general approach adopted would be too detailed and too complex for the 17th century craftsmen/shipbuilders.

 

Having said this, I am waiting impatiently for the monograph of La Néréïde, which is now so beautifully executed by Michele. I expect to find there detailed answers on the so much interesting issue of La Néréïde hull shaping.

 

 

 

[MICHELE PADOAN]

No problem, in fact it is information that interests me as well. I only work on the model and not any other kind of interest other than personal satisfaction. I find both Lemineur's and Delacroix's monographs fantastic.

[scrubbyj427]

Wow! Just incredible work! Following with much interest.

[G. Delacroix]

6 hours ago, Waldemar said:

...

Okay – while it is true that La Néréïde main vertical section is quite similar to that of Le Jazon, why not to try to reconstruct the whole hull shape of La Néréïde basing on the known conceptual methods from this period, so splendidly explained by Jean Boudriot in his works? Provided of course that such an attempt would suit the highest rigours of your work. It must be said that it is always some arbitrary choices are simply inevitable in such reconstructions anyway.

...

I don't know what JCL's working methods are, but I personally much prefer to use the existing plans, which are always accurate, clear and precise. The methods described by the master builders of the time are often confusing and full of uncertainties and unsaid things. The choice is quickly made.

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Preparation and temporary laying of the beams of the first bridge.
With this I arrived at the current stage of construction on the model. I now remain waiting for Mr. Lemineur to update the plans. 

[Waldemar]

24 minutes ago, G. Delacroix said:

I don't know what JCL's working methods are, but I personally much prefer to use the existing plans, which are always accurate, clear and precise. The methods described by the master builders of the time are often confusing and full of uncertainties and unsaid things. The choice is quickly made.

 

I see and am not pressing the issue further. I would only add that you are very lucky to have so many contemporary plans to work with. Thank you very much for your reply, Gérard.

 

 

[druxey]

Lovely work on all the scores needed in the beams for the carlings.

[DaKea90]

Am I right in thinking, that "frigate of the 1st order" just means "ship-of-the-line" or is this a really, really heavy frigate? 

[druxey]

I understand the generation of the curve aft from '1', but how do you define the curve from '1' to the stem?

[Waldemar]

 

20 hours ago, druxey said:

I understand the generation of the curve aft from '1', but how do you define the curve from '1' to the stem?

 

Druxey, you received a reply, however I later decided to delete my posts regarding this curve, sorry. After all, this is a forum mainly for ship modellers and not geometry enthusiasts or analysts.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Waldemar

[MICHELE PADOAN]

While waiting for Mr. Lemineur to send me the latest updates on the drawings, I am working off site, building some parts that will be assembled later as the work progresses. I am starting with the construction of the compass binnacle structure.

[Hubac's Historian]

On 9/12/2022 at 8:17 AM, Waldemar said:

 

 

Druxey, you received a reply, however I later decided to delete my posts regarding this curve, sorry. After all, this is a forum mainly for ship modellers and not geometry enthusiasts or analysts.

 

 

 

 

 

Why presume that this is not of general interest to the forum?  A good many of us are interested in both the how and why.

Edited September 13, 2022 by Hubac's Historian

[Waldemar]

 

Okay, if you request it, I will create a new log on this in the Nautical/Naval History section, so as not to disturb Michele's log. Easy, because I kept the backup.

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by Waldemar

[Hubac's Historian]

Great!  I will look for it there.

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Good evening, construction of the shipboard kitchen.

[uss frolick]

So by frigate of the first order, you mean a small two-decker like the British Frigate Serapis, et al?

 

I do love French ships!

[MICHELE PADOAN]

16 minutes ago, uss frolick said:

So by frigate of the first order, you mean a small two-decker like the British Frigate Serapis, et al?

 

I do love French ships!

The Nereid carries 22 12-pounders in the first deck and 22 6-pounders in the second deck.

[DaKea90]

So, basically yes, although the ships of the Roebuck-class (like Serapis) were never called frigates officially and had a heavier armament 18/9 or 18/12 later vs. the Nereid's 12/6.

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Bread oven.

[Metaspace]

Inspiring work! I am looking forward to see more of your beatiful ships!!

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Nereid's wooden stern light.

[No Idea]

I find your work so inspiring mate.  That light is on another level it must have taken you hours to complete but what a beautiful result.

[GrandpaPhil]

That is incredible!

 

What did you make the center clear piece of?

[MICHELE PADOAN]

On 19/9/2022 at 18:09, GrandpaPhil said:

È incredibile!

 

Di cosa hai reso il pezzo trasparente centrale?

Has been treated with a polishing paste.

[MICHELE PADOAN]

Good morning, I am preparing the two lances.