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I'd agree with your assessment.  

Colin

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Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch

                         Jeannie Johnston;

                         18thC Longboat with my son

Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft

Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF

 

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I agree. They have to be repositioned.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

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Thanks gents, it was a vain hope to expect for a chorus of voices saying "thats exactly how its supposed to be"  ;)

 

Well, 5hrs back, and 3 forward!  Luckily the futtock staves came off without any damage, although I was sweating bullets fearing I would cut through a shroud, that would be a lot of rework.  Futtock staves re-positioned and topmast shrouds reinstalled (bit of final tie off still to do on port side).  Even after moving these there is still not too much of an overhang but it looks a lot better, they really couldn't go any higher.  I cheated a little and took the shroud on the inside of the futtock stave rather than the outside as it technically should be because it looked a little better to my eye.  The main and fore-topmasts situation will be the same.

 

This may have been a blessing in disguise.  The catharpins would have interfered with the driver gaff and associated rigging so I will leave these off following the AOTS Pandora illustration where catharpins are not shown on the mizzen.

 

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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I am learning a lot about rigging from your log. Thanks for sharing all the pics. I am coming up to these steps on my build. Will be studying yours closely during my surgery recovery learning how I will do mine.

 Current build: Syren : Kit- Model Shipways

 

Side project: HMS Bounty - Revel -(plastic)

On hold: Pre-owned, unfinished Mayflower (wood)

 

Past builds: Scottish Maid - AL- 1:50, USS North Carolina Battleship -1/350  (plastic),   Andromede - Dikar (wood),   Yatch Atlantic - 14" (wood),   Pirate Ship - 1:72 (plastic),   Custom built wood Brig from scratch - ?(3/4" =1'),   4 small scratch builds (wood),   Vietnamese fishing boat (wood)   & a Ship in a bottle

 

 

 

 

 

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Jesse - thanks for the kind words, just sharing the learning experience I'm going through.

 

And thanks for the 'likes'....

 

Finishing up the mizzen topmast ratlines, these are proving to be quite challeging as the shrouds don't have anywhere near as much tension as the others due to the fact they transfer all tension to the lower shrouds/futtock stave and would pull that all askew.  With all the other ratlines, they tend to want to pull the shrouds together, here, the shrouds are thinner line and close together and its the opposite effect where the ratlines want to push them apart.  Anyway, its coming together.

 

Bit of a diversion, as next step will be to rig the mizzen backstays and there were a couple of items I wanted to get done before the backstays make access a bit more difficult.  Installed a copper 'sheet' where the driver gaff will go (yes, its a spare copper plate from the hull rolled as flat as I can to get rid of the bumps - it looks better in person and should tone down with age.)  Its an approximation and not mentioned in instructions, but adds a bit more interest.  The tops are shaped to the angle the gaff will sit at once installed.

 

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Next up was installing a saddle which again is not mentioned in the instructions.  This was a square strip of styrene bent to shape.

 

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I've stared at the driver boom and gaff jaws ever since I opened the box and wondered how they would look.  Well, I got my answer, pretty awful - they just look a bit big and flat, and didn't look that great to my eye.  Anyway, I dutifully assembled these and then decided to try to improve them by building up with some spare walnut and then sanding to shape.  I much prefer the end result.

 

Built up with spare strip wood and roughly shaped

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Finished driver boom, iron bands simulated with paper, ring bolts and holes not added yet, more work to do on the boom itself first.  The 'out of box' solution is next to it.

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Driver boom in place sitting on its saddle.  Still maybe a little big (?) but I'm happy.  Now to do the driver gaff which will be a little more tricky because of the angle that needs to be built into the jaws.

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Thanks BE as always, and all the 'likers' - means a lot to have so many excellent modelers looking in.

 

Mizzen topmast stays have had me thinking for a while - it just doesn't seem to make sense to have standing rigging attached at both ends with no method of adjustment.  I followed a general principle seen elsewhere and made the stay up with a loop to go around the hounds (not served around the hoop as its only 0.5mm line - need to draw a line somewhere, and seems tricky at this thickness).  At the other end, I inserted a bullseye (sourced from Bluejacket) and attempted to simulate a splice.  This was lashed to a ringbolt on the maintop as per plans - this would allow adjustment.  I went with thin black line for the lashing to avoid looking too busy, don't think its too much of a stretch.

 

Stay before installation

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The bullseye lashed to maintop

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The completed mizzen standing rigging at the hounds.

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Hi Jason,

 

Is the bullseye in the Blue Jacket Catalogue?

 

Thanks,

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

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That's pretty much what Lees illustrates.  Good job.

 

Colin

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Current Builds: HMS Pandora 1/64 Scratch

                         Jeannie Johnston;

                         18thC Longboat with my son

Previous Builds: HMB Bounty - Caldercraft

Running Round my head: HMS Speedy (1782) - vaguely thinking POF

 

"If at first you don't succeed, try it your wifes' way"

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Seriously good rigging work Jason. I'll be back into your log when I get to this stage.

Cheers

Alistair

 

Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64

https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/

Previous Build  - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways

 

Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log)

 

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Cheers All.

 

Mort - the bullseyes are item F0340 in the BlueJacket catalogue (1/16" inch - scored), I also got some of the larger 1/8" ones as I'm hoping they can be used for the slings.

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Thanks very much and keep posting. Your build is wonderful.

 

Mort

Current Build - Caldercraft Victory

 

Completed - Artesiana Latina Swift, Harvey, MGS Prince de Neufchatel, Imai USS Susquehanna, Mamoli Constitution, Rattlesnake per Hunt Practium, Caldercraft Snake, Diana, Kammerlander Duke William 

 

Waiting to be Launched -  Bluejacket Constitution

 

 

Proud member of The New Jersey Ship Model Society

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Thanks for kind words and likes guys.  The garden/yard and kids sports seem to be taking up most non-working hours, but little progress.  I have all the top and topgallant masts shaped and finished, but before rigging the various shrouds it seems to make sense to get the slings in place as these would be challenging with shrouds fixed.

 

Followed Lever pretty closely on this, and again used a bullseye from BlueJacket.  The other advantage doing this now is that the sling can be made off of the ship a slipped over the topmast cross trees once finished.  I followed the plan and used 0.75mm line,  but was initially thinking it would not look bulky enough.  Once served it looks better and I think in keeping with something capable of supporting a main yard (?)

 

One question I noodling over - I've definitely seen in pictures of other (larger) vessels where there is a shaped, grooved saddle that helps the lie of the sling over the hard cap edges.  Lever however simply shows the slings resting on the mast cap, as I have here.  Is one any more correct than the other, or is it possibly a big ship/small 'ship' thing?

 

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Hi Jason:

 

I've been a bit of a lurker on MSW lately, but coming back and visiting your log I continue to be impressed by your work! The rigging is great - amazing detail and a beautiful look - I'm becoming more and more tempted to pick up this kit! 

hamilton

current builds: Corel HMS Bellona (1780); Admiralty models Echo cross-section (semi-scratch)
 
previous builds: MS Phantom (scuttled, 2017); MS Sultana (1767); Corel Brittany Sloop (scuttled, 2022); MS Kate Cory; MS Armed Virginia Sloop (in need of a refit); Corel Flattie; Mamoli Gretel; Amati Bluenose (1921) (scuttled, 2023); AL San Francisco (destroyed by land krakens [i.e., cats]); Corel Toulonnaise (1823); 
MS Glad Tidings (1937) (in need of a refit)HMS Blandford (1719) from Corel HMS GreyhoundFair Rosamund (1832) from OcCre Dos Amigos (missing in action); Amati Hannah (ship in a bottle); Mamoli America (1851)Bluenose fishing schooner (1921) (scratch); Off-Centre Sailing Skiff (scratch)
 
under the bench: MS Emma C Barry; MS USS Constitution; MS Flying Fish; Corel Berlin; a wood supplier Colonial Schooner Hannah; Victory Models H.M.S. Fly; CAF Models HMS Granado; MS USS Confederacy

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Hi Jason,
 

Very nicely made up that sling, but as with almost everything to do with rigging there are variations and differing opinions as to the set up.
 

Longridge certainly shows the Slings on Victory retained by battens forming grooves on top of the mast cap, whereas Lees indicates that the sling was supported by a cleat nailed to the aft side of the Masthead, as does Antscherl in the ffm, who also says that Steel did not specify slings for any rate below 32 guns.
 

He also shows that the slings passed thro’ the foremost aperture in the top. On Victory there is a small square hole on the forward side of the top thro’ which the sling passes, but Lees suggest that this arrangement was perhaps more early nineteenth century rather than late Eighteenth.
 

To my eye your arrangement looks a little awkward with the sling rubbing against the topmast. Can you install a small cleat to hold it back a little? I’d be tempted to have a play with it, and see how it looks passed around the aft side of the masthead, if you have sufficient length, but it’s a small point and I wouldn’t get too concerned about it.

 

Cheers,

 

B.E.

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Hamilton - cheers!  I can't compare the Snake to other kits, but aside from some rather brief instructions (looking at more recent CC offerings) which I'm sure would not be an issue for you  it does make up into a great model but does scream for upgrades and modifications.

 

BE - thanks for the wealth of information, my reference 'library' is rather limited :).  You're absolutely right, "awkward" is probably the best word to use, just does not seem right to have a the sling around the mast and going over a hard corner.  Need to play with some options, think I'm leaning toward a rounded saddle with a groove to secure the sling as illustrated in Petersson (my other book) but will do some playing with options you outline.  Also, given that the top has the open hole you describe, it does seem logical to use that appreciate the pointer.

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Hi Jason

what was your final reference for making such amazing rigging of the collars with deadeyes and heart, at the bowsprit?

I like to follow the same way, but without serving the line...

 

Tried to draw both methods with served (A) and unserved (B ).  Served is a little more complex because you need the exact measurement and you need to hide the 'join' where the line is 'spliced' with the seizing to secure the deadeye.  Although I haven't used the method outlined for the non-served line for deadeyes, I have used it elsewhere.  In both cases the seizing needs to be done on the bowsprit because the seizing essentially tightens everything and keeps it secure.  Method is the same for deadeyes and hearts.

 

The other I used method which I outlined earlier in the log was to make the deadeyes with eyes at each end, and then lash these together.  Although more accurate, its a real pain to do and I abandoned it after one as the results were not visible.

 

Hope this is readable and makes sense.

 

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Revisited the slings.  Decided to go with approach illustrated in Petersson.  Small piece of spare walnut wash shaped and a groove cut to accept the top of the sling.  I found that initially cutting a small slot with an exacto blade, and then scraping with a piece of 1mm wire with rough edges to the end was the easiest way to get this done.  The sling now sits much more naturally and doesn't go round any hard edges which makes more practical sense.  Following BEs comment, also decided to place the sling through the forward opening which seems to be the reason for it being there.

 

In the course of this exercise, I realise that I have omitted the sling on the mizzen which already has the topmast shrouds installed.  I'll need to attach that in situ.

 

Unpainted 'thingy' on formast...it must have a name

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Diminutive bosun inspecting the result and shouting his approval to move on...

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Tried to draw both methods with served (A) and unserved (B ).  Served is a little more complex because you need the exact measurement and you need to hide the 'join' where the line is 'spliced' with the seizing to secure the deadeye.  Although I haven't used the method outlined for the non-served line for deadeyes, I have used it elsewhere.  In both cases the seizing needs to be done on the bowsprit because the seizing essentially tightens everything and keeps it secure.  Method is the same for deadeyes and hearts.

 

The other I used method which I outlined earlier in the log was to make the deadeyes with eyes at each end, and then lash these together.  Although more accurate, its a real pain to do and I abandoned it after one as the results were not visible.

 

Hope this is readable and makes sense.

 

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Jason

your excellent drawing was absolutely helpfull, for all of us.

Many thanks.

Cheers

 

Stergios

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Jason,

 

Long time no see. You've been continuing steadilly all those months, while I haven't been able to do anything. Very nice work on the rigging!!

Carl

"Desperate affairs require desperate measures." Lord Nelson
Search and you might find a log ...

 

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Carl, great to hear from you and hope all is well, its been a while!  Hope you can see some progress, looking forward to you getting back in the shipyard.  All the best.

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Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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  • 4 weeks later...

Given my log has slipped to near the bottom of page 2 on the 'my contents' tab it looks like I've been slipping - work, visitors, garden all playing a factor in the snail like progress.  I'll save some photos for a little later when I have something concrete to report.  In true MSW tradition, I'm going to attempt to disguise the lack of progress by showing my next kit which I'll be tinkering with when I can to take advantage of the nice weather.

 

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Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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Jason, your Snake looks great and I'm excited to follow your Jason build.  Very cool to build a ship with your namesake, and especially one that is gorgeous  like that one (I really love the look of the Artois class) :)

Mike

 

Current Wooden builds:  Amati/Victory Pegasus  MS Charles W. Morgan  Euromodel La Renommèe  

 

Plastic builds:    Hs129B-2 1/48  SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48  Five Star Yaeyama 1/700  Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama  Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32   IJN Notoro 1/700  Akitsu Maru 1/700

 

Completed builds :  Caldercraft Brig Badger   Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle  Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700   Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350

F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72  Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48  Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48  Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48  Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72

Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya  Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16

 

Terminated build:  HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn)  

 

On the shelf:  Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits

 

Future potential scratch builds:  HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans)

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Cheers Mike.  Of course I'm kicking myself now, I was just down in DC this past week - I should have tried to schedule a "showing" of your Badger and Unicorn....doh!

Cheers,
 
Jason


"Which it will be ready when it is ready!"
 
In the shipyard:

HMS Jason (c.1794: Artois Class 38 gun frigate)

Queen Anne Royal Barge (c.1700)

Finished:

HMS Snake (c.1797: Cruizer Class, ship rigged sloop)

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