jaerschen Posted December 9, 2014 Author #61 Posted December 9, 2014 (edited) Much thanks also for all the likes at first Hi druxey Sometimes I'm to be to hasty but I give my best to have more patience. I would like to taper the thickness of the wale when the black strake is fitted. I thought it's easier to get the right shape at this way. The wale isn't ending in the rabbit. The black strake and the lower blanking will be ending in the rabbet so you can't see this (so the theory). Edited December 9, 2014 by jaerschen Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
jaerschen Posted December 9, 2014 Author #62 Posted December 9, 2014 Hello druxey While I think of it: did you taper the thickness of the wale at the bow to fit the rabbet? (I had this conversation with another model-maker today.) Your question have make me think about my approach. It would be interested to know what other model maker are doing. wangshuoliurui 1 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
druxey Posted December 10, 2014 #63 Posted December 10, 2014 See the photos in the latest entry in Chuck's revenue cutter Cheerful log. Another example is in the photo here. jaerschen, AON and WackoWolf 3 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
SaturnV Posted December 10, 2014 #64 Posted December 10, 2014 I have the swan series of books and it stated that the Wales should thin at the bow so that they fit onto the rabbet. I did it this way on mine. Richard jaerschen 1
jaerschen Posted December 10, 2014 Author #65 Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Hello druxey and Richard Much thanks for your answers. I must confess to my shame, I didn't have added Chuck's interested build to my following list. Now it's done. Oh, there are so many build's and information’s here on MSW. Very nice photo that is showing this detail, such photos are not often to find. I found this advice to tapper the wale in Vol 2 of the swan series too (I have only 1 +2) but could not imagine this. At the searching in other build's I found a photo from Dan of the Vulture. But It's not to see if the wale going in the rabbet or flush to the stem. At my Triton it's going flush to the stem because it's never to see if the black strake and the blanks below are fitted. Edited December 10, 2014 by jaerschen Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
jaerschen Posted December 10, 2014 Author #66 Posted December 10, 2014 (edited) Hello again The fitting of the black strake is started and the next problem is coming. Therefore the following photo There isn't enough space between the left haws-hole and strake. Must be the altitude of the strake reduced for fitting the boxing? I admit to be a bit douptful about this. Oh, by the way, the wale is now tapered and also the strake a bit. In hindsight I believe it's better to do this before the ledges are fitted. Learning by doing. Edited December 10, 2014 by jaerschen Dubz, rjones726, Mirabell61 and 1 other 4 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
druxey Posted December 11, 2014 #67 Posted December 11, 2014 Before you do anything drastic, measure the heights of the hawseholes from the plans and then on the model. Are these correct? Is the height of the main wale at the bow correct or is it too high? Is the height of the black strake also correct? jaerschen and wangshuoliurui 2 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 11, 2014 #68 Posted December 11, 2014 Jürgen, what kind of timber do you use for the planking? The contrast to the darker swiss pear looks really great jaerschen 1 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
jaerschen Posted December 11, 2014 Author #69 Posted December 11, 2014 Thanks very much for your help druxey. You are absolutely right, the holes are a bit to low. It's maple that I use Christian. Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
jaerschen Posted December 12, 2014 Author #70 Posted December 12, 2014 (edited) I do not understand why, but one side of the hawseholes were not similar to the other. I had wrong measured, that's absolutely certain for me because I have made one side some day's earlier than the other. Here's a pic there you can see the variety of height. The level of the holes at the starboard side is correct. So I closed the holes at the portside and drilled new ones as the same level as of the starboard side. Edited December 12, 2014 by jaerschen Dubz, NMBROOK, druxey and 7 others 10 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
rjones726 Posted December 12, 2014 #71 Posted December 12, 2014 Nicely done Juergen. jaerschen 1 Current build : Triton cross section 1:48
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 12, 2014 #72 Posted December 12, 2014 Nice fix, Jürgen jaerschen and wangshuoliurui 2 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
SaturnV Posted December 12, 2014 #73 Posted December 12, 2014 All is right in the world again Jürgen! Richard jaerschen 1
jaerschen Posted December 13, 2014 Author #74 Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Hello Rob, Christian and Richard Thanks very much for your comments and also for all the likes You are completely right Richard. Now let's going on to the next mistake Edited December 13, 2014 by jaerschen Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
mtaylor Posted December 13, 2014 #75 Posted December 13, 2014 Juergen, Well done on the fix. It's so well done, I don't see the fix. jaerschen 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
jaerschen Posted December 13, 2014 Author #76 Posted December 13, 2014 Thanks very much Mark It's so well done, I don't see the fix. I don't no why, but I have this feeling that you are a little bit dishonestly about this Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
mtaylor Posted December 13, 2014 #77 Posted December 13, 2014 (edited) Thanks very much Mark I don't no why, but I have this feeling that you are a little bit dishonestly about this I zoomed in the bottom photo.... looks great. I thought the others were "in process" pics. No dishonesty. Edited December 13, 2014 by mtaylor jaerschen 1 Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
yamsterman Posted December 17, 2014 #78 Posted December 17, 2014 Hi juergen Great fix! Once you've planked over it nobody will know its there! Only us and we won't tell!!! Cheers....mick jaerschen 1
allanyed Posted December 19, 2014 #79 Posted December 19, 2014 Juergen, I like the fix a lot. Great job! And no one but those of us that saw your photos will ever know! Allan jaerschen 1 PLEASE take 30 SECONDS and sign up for the epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series. Click on http://trafalgar.tv There is no cost other than the 30 seconds of your time. THANK YOU
Mirabell61 Posted December 19, 2014 #80 Posted December 19, 2014 very nice work juergen, are you going to plank the entire frames, or leave an outcut for to see the lovely framework ? Nils jaerschen 1 Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
jaerschen Posted December 19, 2014 Author #81 Posted December 19, 2014 Hello, thanks very much Mick, Allan and Nils That's good to know Mick and Allan. Now I can sleep soundly again. @Nils I would like to show a bit of everything at the outside. The Main-Wale and below of it 4 rows with shifting planks. Then the 1st futtock- and the floorhead -ribbands and the garboard strake. Above the black-strake I will also plank only a part of the frames but in any case the complete sheer strake. Both sides will be similar. So the theory. Mirabell61 1 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
jaerschen Posted December 24, 2014 Author #82 Posted December 24, 2014 (edited) Hello, Here's a little update and I would like to take this opportunity to wish you all a Merry Christmas. I started to fit the ribbands and coloured the Main-Wale black. The ribband-nails are done in the same manner as described in the book from David Antscherl of the Swan-Class. Only the insertion tool was made of a screw and two screw-nuts. For securing the nails I used white clue and think that it works. The Main-Wale is coloured with black stain. Mark gave me this advice in my build of the Leopard and it works very well. Edited December 24, 2014 by jaerschen mtaylor, AON, robin b and 9 others 12 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
Angarfather Posted December 24, 2014 #83 Posted December 24, 2014 Hello Jürgen! most impressing ! Hartmut jaerschen 1 on the : Staatenjacht Utrech At last finished: Gianna a Pinco Genovese HMS Agamemnon
AnobiumPunctatum Posted December 24, 2014 #84 Posted December 24, 2014 Mery Christmas, Jürgen. Your Triton looks really good jaerschen 1 Regards Christian Current build: HM Cutter Alert, 1777; HM Sloop Fly, 1776 - 1/36 On the drawing board: English Ship Sloops Fly, 1776, Comet, 1783 and Aetna, 1776; Naval Cutter Alert, 1777 Paused: HMS Triton, 1771 - 1/48 "Have no fear of perfection - you'll never reach it." Salvador Dali
yamsterman Posted December 24, 2014 #85 Posted December 24, 2014 Hi juergen Nice to see a shot of the whole hull fully framed.looking really impressive! Merry Christmas Cheers....mick jaerschen 1
NMBROOK Posted December 24, 2014 #86 Posted December 24, 2014 Great work Juergen Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year Nigel jaerschen 1 Currently working on Royal Caroline
harvey1847 Posted December 24, 2014 #87 Posted December 24, 2014 Merry Christmas, Jürgen! Beautiful ribband! It makes such a nice curve on the hull. Very nice pictures too... My best wishes for the next year ahead! for you and your Triton! Daniel. jaerschen 1 In the shipyard: HMS Triton 1773. POF. 1:48. Daniel On the computer: R.A. Principe de La Paz. POF. 1:48. Daniel
druxey Posted December 24, 2014 #88 Posted December 24, 2014 Lovely! Season's greetings, Jürgen! jaerschen 1 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
rdsaplala Posted December 29, 2014 #89 Posted December 29, 2014 Hi Juergen, Just caught up with your Triton log, you've done a marvelous job on her Sir, very precise, clean work, and your hull has lovely lines jaerschen 1 Best regards,AldoCurrently Building: HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding) Past build:HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo
jaerschen Posted January 7, 2015 Author #90 Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Hello, Thank you so much for your nice comments and also for the likes. I'm very pleased about this great interest. Here's a little update. Some strakes below the wale and the garboard strake are fitted. The progress is very slowly because It's partial a bit tricky. Also I needed time to find a way to add the planks without leaving any trace at the frames. Therefor the build from Ed of the Extreme Clipper is a great help. In the TFFM-book this strakes are reffered to as thickstuff under the wales. There is a little step from the second to the third strake to see on the following photo. That's why the thickness of the strakes decreases. I will sanding down them when the fourth strake is installed. That's the current progress. Edited January 7, 2015 by jaerschen harvey1847, druxey, Dubz and 8 others 11 Juergen Actually in progress: 50-Gun Ship HMS Leopard 1790 POB in scale 1/64 HMS Triton 1773 POF 1/48 Finished: Brigg Irene (ex. HMS Grasshopper) 1/50
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