HMS Guadeloupe by jack.aubrey - 1:48 scale - ex French Le Nisus - Brick de 24

[jack.aubrey]

Thursday, September 18, 2014

 

Today I went out to cut others bulkheads . . now only two aft are missing, and this step will be completed. 

As I mentioned yesterday, I've been working exclusively manually with a coping saw and the matter was of my complete satisfaction, especially for wood dust in less that I created . . 

For the rest, nothing new . . tomorrow I hope to finish up the missing bulkheads and start thinking about permanently fix them to the keel.

 

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Cheers, Jack.Aubrey.

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[harvey1847]

 

As I mentioned yesterday, I've been working exclusively manually with a coping saw and the matter was of my complete satisfaction,

 

Hi again Jack,

 

Yesterday I was pretty tired to answer you propperly. Sorry to insist, but I was asking you for the method rather than a single picture of the components that made up the coping saw, I can even see a hand drill, a hamer, clamp, a screwdriver... !!

 

Any pics of you working on that copy system? like a small practicum or am I asking a lot?

 

Excellent progress and rate of bulkheads!

 

Best wishes and keep going.

 

 

Daniel.

Edited September 19, 2014 by harvey1847

[jack.aubrey]

Hi Daniel, can the following YouTube movie help you ?

 

[Omega1234]

Hi Jack. I love the way your framework is scrubbing up. Very nice, clean and precise work. A real credit to you.

 

I look forward to following along.

 

All the best!

[harvey1847]

thanks Jack!

 

That explain all. I thought it was a device that actually copy a bulkhead from a pre-existing form or pattern like in real life the carpenters copy figure heads with a special tool join with the mill... All clear now!

 

 

This is not a figure head of course but I saw one of them in the restoration of a church years ago.

 

 

Thanks,

 

 

Daniel.

Edited September 20, 2014 by harvey1847

[jack.aubrey]

Saturday, September 20, 2014

 

Today I completed to cut the bulkheads, a small job because only few of them were missing. Below the images of the dry test that sounds pretty good, having no problems at all at this time. 

Then I did other tasks, little stuff, but I'll explain in detail in a future post. 

Regards, Jack.Aubrey.

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Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[harvey1847]

Looking good Jack!

 

Congrats!

 

 

Daniel.

[jack.aubrey]

Saturday, September 20, 2014

 

Yesterday, at the end of the cutting yasks, I started some preparatory activities to fasten the bulkheads to the keel. 

First I started to draw on the back of each bulkhead, where there is no paper, the reference lines for the assembly, then later I proceeded to remove the paper used as a "template" for cutting. To remove the paper, I used the same method of the keel: I placed a wet multi-fiber cloth over the piece and after a couple of minutes, the paper came off without any problem. 

 

So, to allow the wet wood surface to dry without distortions, which is theoretically possible, I immediately placed the bulkhead under the glass plates I had spoken long ago and I'll leave them for one/two days. 

Now the next time I will resume to work, I will provide the definitive assembly of bulkheads and other reinforcements. Then I will start to think about the next steps, which will be focused on the bow and the stern. 

 

Sincerely, Jack.

 

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Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Monday, September 22, 2014

 

Today I started the final assembly of the pieces so far prepared (keel and bulkhrads). It's a simple job, provided the dry fitting showed no problems, where the only precaution required is to glue the bulkheads so that they are perfectly perpendicular to the keel. 

There are so many ways to get this perpendicularity in gluing the bulkheads, in this case I found it easier to use the method that can be deduced from the photos that follow here below. 

The elements are a plank of squared wood the lines which project on the mounting base the location of each bulkhead. By placing the plank on the pencil line and secure it with a clamp you get the support base for a proper mounting. That's all.

 

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For the moment that's all, see you soon. Jack.Aubrey.

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Tuesday, September 23, 2014

 

The hull sheleton is now assembled, with in addition a couple of reinforcements installed to keep the assembly right. Nothing more than  routine at this stage.

 

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to be continued at the next message . . . Jack.Aubrey

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Tuesday, September 23th, 2014

 

Another small step forward: I've added new lateral reinforcements close to the toptimbers and the deck. 

This is probably not strictly necessary to guarantee the hull being crushproof but you must know that I'm obsessed to build strong models. So, this afternoon, I amused myself to reinforce again . .   

 

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Next it's time to work on the prow and the poop . . It will not be so immediate. Regards, Jack.

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Wednesday, September 24th, 2014 - Some Pictures of "Le Cyclope"

 

In the absence of new material from my model to show, I start to post some messages in which you can understand what kind of sailing ship I'm building and its appearance once finished. 

I'm starting with some pictures of a model of an unknown author, although I think should be B. Frolich, of one of the 22 bricks de 24 designed by Pestel.
It is "Le Cyclope". 
Le Cyclope was set up in 1804 and launched in 1810 in Genoa. Armed with sixteen 6pdrs guns she was transferred to Italy in June 1810. 

Good vision, Jack.Aubrey.

 

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To be continued . .

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Le Cyclope . . Continuation

 

Here follow five additional images of the brick Le Cyclope.

 

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That's all for "Le Cyclope". I apologize for the dust . . 
Regards, Jack.Aubrey
 

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Wednesday, September 24th, 2014

 

I've completed the installation of the lateral reinforcements at the poop as shown in the following picture . .

 

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. . and the same was also made at prow. Now all the bulkheads are connected together through these reinforcements and the result is very rigid and strong. This also gives an idea of the sheer of the deck. 

 

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Then I worked around the prow, adding the toptimbers to the stem in order to obtain a supporting structure for the planks there.
I've also reinforced the two toptimbers of the first bulkhead by adding a small piece of plywood to enlarge the existing ones. This detail will help when I'll have to bevel this bulkhead. 

I would like to explain that all the toptimbers will be removed when the planking will be in place . . but this is a matter that I will discuss better in the future, probably now is too early . .

 

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A detail of the toptimbers at the stem . . 

 

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In the next message I'll show some overall views, regards, Jack.

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[Mirabell61]

Hi Jack,

 

I love the combination of the CAD design and the resulting precision scroll saw cutting of the Frames. Very well Fitting Framework, especialy the two Long reinforcement beams under the main deck fit very well.

Also thanks for sharing the and clse up,  Pictures of the "Le Cyclope" under sails, thats real eyecandy in every Detail one can see seldom in this quality

 

Nils

[yvesvidal]

Brilliant Jack, excellent ideas and tricks. The picture of the Cyclope, your model and your workshop are glorious.

 

I love it.

Yves

[jack.aubrey]

On 25/9/2014 at 10:30 AM, Mirabell61 said:

Hi Jack,

I love the combination of the CAD design and the resulting precision scroll saw cutting of the Frames. Very well Fitting Framework, especialy the two Long reinforcement beams under the main deck fit very well.

Also thanks for sharing the and clse up,  Pictures of the "Le Cyclope" under sails, thats real eyecandy in every Detail one can see seldom in this quality

Nils

 

On 25/9/2014 at 4:06 PM, yvesvidal said:

Brilliant Jack, excellent ideas and tricks. The picture of the Cyclope, your model and your workshop are glorious.

I love it.

Yves

 

Thanks, Yves and Nils for your comments, I have greatly appreciated your feedback. I also have to show a second model of this brick/brig class, coming soon . .

 

As promised, some overall views of the hull . .

 

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And last but not least the prow completed with the filler blocks, although not yet sanded.
Next step i'll attack the poop. Hoping in a good result.

Greetings, Jack.

 

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Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[AnobiumPunctatum]

Jack,

 

I found your log today and will follow your build with great interest.

[jack.aubrey]

I continue with a series of images of another "brick of 24", belonging to the same class of Le Cyclope.

 

This model depicts "Le Cygne", the model described in the monograph from ANCRE. Even here I do not know who the model maker is but surely he well knows what to do and how . . and it pays more care in removing dust from the model before taking photos of it.

 

Unlike Le Cyclope, Le Cygne mounted 24pdrs carronades and only two 6pdrs guns at bow. Here are three major differences:
- The figurehead
- The poop lateral "bottles" and the kind of decorations
- The gunports size, that are much larger on Le Cygne than the same of Le Cyclope; I believe that this difference is due to the presence of carronades instead of the guns, to provide a greater visual shooting to carronades.

 

Here below five images of Le Cygne. . to be continued. . 

A cordial greeting, Jack.Aubrey 

 

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Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Le Cygne . . Continuation

 

Here below five other images of the brig "le Cygne".

 

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That's all regarding this ship/model. Regards, Jack.Aubrey.

 

Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[jack.aubrey]

Monday, September 29th, 2014
 

As I wrote some time ago, at the beginning of this discussion, the model that I am building belongs to a class of brick which has 20, ships designed by Pestel, or 22, if we count the two variants built without changes by Sanè when Pestel fell into disgrace with the major staff of the French Navy. 

As I got to write many of these brick were captured by the British and subsequently used into war actions against the French themselves. I have also indicated my intention to build the model of one of the sailing ships belonging to this category and I've identified among these ships nine vessels that, for their acts of war, interested me in a particular way. 

Finally, I also wrote that I had not chosen the name of my model, a name that should fall among the nine selected, explaining that I would have to perform more researchs to identify how the figurehead and stern decorations of these models were in the reality. 

. . this research (carried out exclusively via the internet) till now did not yet provide results to be able to determine for example, as the figurehead of some of the nine sailing ships concerned was and I'm not confident in succeeding in the future. 

What I were able to establish, by visiting the Maritime Museum in London, was the fact that many of their models have been completed WITHOUT the FIGUREHEAD. 

Deepening the topic I noticed that in this case the model does not represent a specific sailing ship, in these images we are speaking about frigates, but represents an hypothetical sailing ship belonging to a particular ship class. In this case, as shown by the images here below, taken from the NMM site, different solutions have been adopted for the figurehead: 

a) a flourish dummy 
a block of wood just sketched 
c) a vacancy in place of the figurehead 

 

The three solutions are visible in the screenshots below. 

Do you think a similar solution would be eligible for my model in order to have total freedom of choice for the name to be assigned to? 

Thanks in advance to those who will take the trouble to answer, Jack.

 

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Edited September 5, 2017 by jack.aubrey

[ChrisLBren]

Sure Jack - you could approach your model in this fashion to make sure its historically accurate.  However in my opinion - the figurehead adds so much to the elegance of the model.  Both Bourdriot's Cyclope and the Le Cygne are spectacular examples of this class - Id love to build a model one half as good as these examples. 

[harvey1847]

Yes indeed, BUT there is something spectacular on shots like "02" and "05" (specially the "scafolding" holding the ship). I wouldn´t mind to go that way. Specially with that dummy piece of wood which is more evidence on pic "04".

 

Were this model intended to be on a shelve on the Admiralty rooms or were made to show the cadets or the man of war how these ships actually function?

 

Here for example, I do not know how many times I have posted this shot but in my oppion It´s the "ultimate" extreme of what a POF model should be. (I know yours It´s a POB one) I am now much concern about plank on frames models but I´ll probably shift to pob´s on my next project.

 

 

Good luck Jack, and thanks for the research photos!

 

Daniel.

[michael mott]

The pictures are great, how are they photographed ? are the shot with a curved white backdrop. or is there some form of masking done?

 

Michael

[jack.aubrey]

The pictures are great, how are they photographed ? are the shot with a curved white backdrop. or is there some form of masking done?

Hi Michael, the photos I added in that post come directly from the National Maritime Museum. I did not shot them and I have no idea of the technique used to obtain that result . . surely it is fashinating.

 

 

Yes indeed, BUT there is something spectacular on shots like "02" and "05" (specially the "scaffolding" holding the ship). I wouldn´t mind to go that way. Specially with that dummy piece of wood which is more evidence on pic "04".

Hi Daniel, thanks for your opinion. However do you feel it should be better to leave unnamed the model in this case ? If I give it a name how can explain is it really ?

 

 

Sure Jack - you could approach your model in this fashion to make sure its historically accurate.  However in my opinion - the figurehead adds so much to the elegance of the model . .

You are right, there is a fourth solution to my "dilemma": build and install a fictional figurehead. It is what was done by a ship modeller in the article pointed by the link here below:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B752g0VVxf2Kc1JjaGJxUVFWWW8/edit?usp=sharing

 

Does it mean that is a current practice for these situations, provided it is declared ?

[cthutq]

Welcome.

 Very interesting topic.

I'm sorry for my bad english, I'm from Russia. 

Le Cygne also do a monograph on the Ancre, here's my little progress

http://forum.modelsworld.ru/topic5753start15.html,

now I am engaged in the construction of boats for this brig

[schnu]

Nice progress, looking at the pictures I was wondering why the cygne has two unused gunports at the front?

[harvey1847]

 

Hi Daniel, thanks for your opinion. However do you feel it should be better to leave unnamed the model in this case ? If I give it a name how can explain is it really ?

 

Hello Jack,

 

I would not put a name on the stern of the ship. I did not talk about the issue on last post. You could put the type of vessel on a plate or something like "model of the razee type" or something like that. With "XXVIII French 24lb brick" is quite understandable. Don´t really know.

 

Daniel.

[michael mott]

Jack, thank you for your answer.

 

michael

[GioMun]

Hi Jack.

 

Amazing project the one you have chosen. I believe you may find usefull the Frolich web site.

 

Mr. Frolich, built the Cyclope, under Boudriot's monograph.

 

http://modelisme.arsenal.free.fr/artdumodelisme/fichelecyclopegb.html

 

He used the monograph of La Cygne, with the variant option of Le Cyclope. Figurehead included!!

 

I hope you'll find this useful.

 

Also, you can buy the Frolich's book, L'Art du Modelisme, wich has a chapter dedicated to this vessel.

 

Anything you need just ask me, send me a PM if you are interested, I have something you can find interesting.

 

Greetings.

 

Giorgio.