Tadeusz43 Posted October 22, 2015 Author #31 Posted October 22, 2015 (edited) Hi, Construction of a replica of the 17th century ship De 7 Provincien has a long history. Works started in 1995 in Batavia Werf in Lelystad but due to severe technical problems that work was completely wrecked. In 2008 again started the construction of the ship but in 2014 work stopped because to lack of funding. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_ship_De_Zeven_Provinci%C3%ABn_%281665%29 Tadeusz Construction site in Spring 2003 Construction site in August 2015 Edited October 22, 2015 by Tadeusz43 JesseLee, CaptainSteve, dgbot and 6 others 9 Quote
popeye2sea Posted October 23, 2015 #32 Posted October 23, 2015 Does it look very lightly timbered to anyone else? Canute and mtaylor 2 Quote Henry Laissez le bon temps rouler ! Current Build: Le Soleil Royal Completed Build: Amerigo Vespucci
mtaylor Posted October 23, 2015 #33 Posted October 23, 2015 It also looks like there's a few steel beams and frames... although those might just be jigs. Canute 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Tadeusz43 Posted October 24, 2015 Author #34 Posted October 24, 2015 (edited) Hi, Masts. Masts on boats and small ships was made from single timber (pine or spruce). On larger vessels masts was assembled from few timbers for obtain required diameter as also reinforced by external woods named fish. The fish was installed on front or/and on sides of masts . All this structure was hold together with rope wooldings or later with iron hoops. Tadeusz Mast making in Batvia Werf Batavia mast with woolding Batavia Mast crosstrees Batavia Mast cap continental style andmast top Batavia Topmast heel Batavia Mast wooldings Iron hoops and front fish Jylland Rope wooldings and front fish Gotheborg Mast with fishes anr iron hoops Victory Edited October 24, 2015 by Tadeusz43 Bobstrake, janos, avsjerome2003 and 8 others 11 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted October 25, 2015 Author #35 Posted October 25, 2015 Hi, Fixing mast on the ship. Mast are fixed in the desk with wooden wedges. For make this joint watertight is used tarred canvas cover named mast coat. Tadeusz Mast partners at deck Batavia Bowsprit support Batavia Bowsprit double gammoning Batavia Bowsprit coat Batavia Fore mast and bowsprit arrangement Victory Mast partners at deck Gotheborg Bowsprit double gammoning Gotheborg Bowsprit single gammoning Sthandard Bowsprit double gammoning La Grace CaptainSteve, Canute, JesseLee and 6 others 9 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted October 30, 2015 Author #36 Posted October 30, 2015 Tops The construction of platforms fitted on mast tops were changed during the centuries from „baskets” or round platforms with high guard rails up to the end of 17th century. In 19th century tops was made as flat platforms supported on crosstrees. Tops was used as access to topmast sails as also battle station for archers, gun shooters or even small cannons. Tadeusz Lisa von Lubeck (15th century) Neff Victoria (beginning of16th century) Golden Hind (end of 16th century) Halve Maen (beginning of 17th century) Vasa (beginning of 17th century) Spirit mast top Batavia Batavia (17th century) Shtandard (beginning of 18th century) Amsterdam (18th century) La Grace (18th century) Gotheborg (18th century) Victory ( 18th century) Bounty ( end of 18th century) Warrior (19th century) Jylland (end of 19th century) Passat (beginning of 20th century) CaptainSteve, Archi, Bobstrake and 8 others 11 Quote
Mirabell61 Posted October 30, 2015 #37 Posted October 30, 2015 Thank you Tadeusz, for sharing all those lovely Pictures, it`s been a delight to go through them Nils CaptainSteve, avsjerome2003, Canute and 6 others 9 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50
JPZ66 Posted October 30, 2015 #38 Posted October 30, 2015 Tadeusz, Thank you so much for this continuing effort and wonderful posts ! All of it has been a fascinating view of ships and ship building. Very highly interesting !! -Joe Tadeusz43, avsjerome2003, Erik W and 8 others 11 Quote Joe Zappa Member, Nautical Research Guild & Puget Sound Ship Modelers
Tadeusz43 Posted November 7, 2015 Author #39 Posted November 7, 2015 Yards Part 1 Bounty wtih furled sails Main topgallant yard Bounty Driver boom jaws Bounty Main topsail and main yards Bounty Mizen yard, crossjack, boom and gaff Bounty Yards in Batavia Werf workshop Yards in Historic Dockyards workshop in Portsmouth(UK) Spirit sails yards Batavia Yard with hemp rope jackstay Batavia Spirit sails yards Gotheborg Bonaventure mizzen yard, parral and halyars Gotheborg riverboat, mtaylor, dgbot and 7 others 10 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 7, 2015 Author #40 Posted November 7, 2015 (edited) Yars Part 2 Main course yard parral Batavia Main course yard parral Amsterdam Yard with halyard and sling Victory Topsail yard with halyard and parral Victory Crossjack and gaff jaws on mizzen mast Victory Main mast yards Jylland Yard with iron rod jackstay and studding sails boom Jylland Iron mast & yards Passat Iron yards and truss Passat Spanker boom Passat Spanker gaff and topsail gaff Passat Iron yards Kruzenstern Edited November 15, 2015 by Tadeusz43 JesseLee, Archi, davyboy and 5 others 8 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 9, 2015 Author #41 Posted November 9, 2015 Hand made blocks in workshop of Batavia Werf. Workshop Stages of block making Stropping a blocks. Tools used for serving a rope ( on right) Primary tooling Final tooling The blocks after impregnation with linseed oil Deadeyes Tadeusz Bobstrake, zoly99sask, JesseLee and 7 others 10 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 10, 2015 Author #42 Posted November 10, 2015 Rigging Standing rigging Part 1 Channels and chain plates Channels was installed on ships from the end of 15th century up to half of the 19th century. It was the place of securing the lower ends of the shrouds and sometimes the backstays. The lower deadeyes were attached to the hull by iron chains or rods called chain plate. Neff Victoria Vasa Halve Maen Amsterdam Batavia Bounty Gotheborg Etile du Roy ( ex Grand Turk) Shtandadrt Victory Jylland Warrior 1860 Tadeusz JesseLee, janos, Bobstrake and 7 others 10 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 11, 2015 Author #43 Posted November 11, 2015 Shrouds Lisa von Lubeck. Sheer poles on lower part of main mast shrouds Nef Victoria. Fore mast shrouds anchored to the deck. Amsterdam. Shroud seizing and lanyards. Amsterdam. Lower shrouds on main mast head and catharpins with futtock stave. Amsterdam. Main mast head and futtock shrouds and topmast shrous. Gotheborg. Main mast head and topmast shrous. Batavia. Spirit topmast shrouds Sheer pole and rat lines. Victory. Shroud seizing and lanyards. Victory. Lower shrouds at topmast and catharpins. Bounty. Main mast with lower, topmast and topgalant shrouds. Passat. Wire rope shrouds of fore mast anchored to the bulwark with rigging screws. Passat. Wire rope shrouds of main mast anchored to the deck with rigging screws. dgbot, Canute, avsjerome2003 and 6 others 9 Quote
marinero Posted November 12, 2015 #44 Posted November 12, 2015 Hello Tadeusz I want to thank you for all the hard and great work you put into this post. I have learned a lot from it. Please keep going RichardG, Bobstrake, dgbot and 5 others 8 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 12, 2015 Author #45 Posted November 12, 2015 Stays Hemp ropes. In period of use hemp ropes main stay was the thickest rope in ship standing rigging. Formula gave by Wolfram zu Mondfeld in “ Historic Ship Models” says: For modelers purpose diameter of main stay is determined as 0,166 of the diameter of the main mast at the deck. Diameters of other ropes in standing and running rigging are proportionately smaller. Batavia. Main stay lanyard and collar. Batavia. Main stay collar. Batavia. Fore stay lanyard. Gotheborg. Main stay and preventer stay lanyards Gotheborg. Mizen stay and preventer stay lanyards. . Gotheborg. Fore stay and preventer stay lanyards Gotheborg. Fore stay and preventer stay lanyards. Gotheborg.Bobstays and bowsprit shrouds Gotheborg. Main stay, preventer stay and crowsfeet at mast top Victory. Main stay and preventer stay lanyards. Stays snaked. Victory. Stay and prevetner stay at topmast. Victory. Fore stay and prevetner stay lanyards. Stays snaked. Victory. Bobstays and bowsprit shrouds. JesseLee, avsjerome2003, Archi and 4 others 7 Quote
Rick01 Posted November 13, 2015 #46 Posted November 13, 2015 Is there a rule/formula to give the number of shrouds required for any given mast? I'm looking at illustrations of HM Lady Nelson and a contemporaneous model on NMM clearly shows five including a possible backstay whilst an engraving at about the same period seems to indicate seven with possible backstays included. Rick mtaylor 1 Quote Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan
dgbot Posted November 13, 2015 #47 Posted November 13, 2015 Thank you for the history lesson and the photos I really appreciate the work you put into it. David B Bobstrake, Canute and mtaylor 3 Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/
Tadeusz43 Posted November 13, 2015 Author #48 Posted November 13, 2015 Hi Rick, The shrouds was installed as pair of ropes. Number of pairs of the shrouds depend of period and vessel size as also of vessel origin. The number of pairs of the shrouds increased over the years from one to three pairs in the 14th century to 12 and more in the 15th and 16th centuries. On some ships were installed even 18-20 pair of the shrouds. At the beginning of the 17th century number of pairs want began to be reduced and for the largest ships amounted to 9-11 on main mast, 8-18 on foremast and 2-4 on mizzen. See: "Historic Ship Models" by Wolfram zu Mondfeld Tadeusz Rick01, Bobstrake and Canute 3 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 13, 2015 Author #49 Posted November 13, 2015 (edited) Stays Wire ropes. HMS Warrir 1860. Wire ropes rigging. Early period of wire rope rigging. Kruzenstern.One of last existing windjammers HMS Warrior. Main stay lanyard. Two stays was fitted port and sterboard. HMS Warrior. Fore stay and fore stay preventer lanyards. HMS Warrior. Mizzen stay and preventer stay. Passat. Mizzen stay and mizzen topmast stay.Stays was made as double . Passat .Main mast stay and main mast topmast stay. Kruzenstern. Mizzen stay and mizzen topmast stay Kruzenstern. Main mast stay and main topmast stay. Passat. Fore mast stays anchored at bowsprit. HMS Warrior. Martingle stay and bowsprit rigging. Dar Pomorza (1909). Bowsprit rigging. Chains in use. Kruzenstern. Bowsprit rigged with iron bars. Edited November 13, 2015 by Tadeusz43 NJQUACK, Canute, Bobstrake and 7 others 10 Quote
Rick01 Posted November 14, 2015 #50 Posted November 14, 2015 Tadeusz, thanks for your answer re shrouds and the reference book "Historic Ship Models" by Wolfram zu Mondfeld. This will help me immensely. Rick mtaylor, Canute, Tadeusz43 and 1 other 4 Quote Completed builds:- HM Cutter Mermaid. HMS Endeavour's Longboat Topsail Schooner Enterprize Arab Dhow Sultan
Tadeusz43 Posted November 14, 2015 Author #51 Posted November 14, 2015 Running rigging Hemp rope rigging Gotheborg.Fully rigged and seaworthy Gotheborg. Partly furled sails and most important lines. Shtandard. Fore top sail. Top and royal yards rigging Gotheborg.Mizzen lateen sail rigging. Sthandard. Mizzen lateen sail rigging. La Glorie. Mizzen gaf sail rigging Bonty. Mizzen gaf sail boom with sheets. Sthandard. Mizzen lateen sail yard with rigging Batavia. Parral. Batavia. Main sail yard hlyard with ramshead block Gotheborg. Crowsfeet wit euphore. La Grace. JesseLee, Archi, Altduck and 8 others 11 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 15, 2015 Author #52 Posted November 15, 2015 Running rigging Wire ropes in running rigging. Wire ropesi in running rigging was used on beginning of 20th century. In such period was constructed the last cargo sailing ships famous Windjammers. Wire ropes was used as halyards, yard lifts and brass. For their winding serve special winches with hand power or even steam power. Wire ropes was also used for “standing" parts of running rigging e.g. pendants. Useful information for modelers: http://pages.swcp.com/usvmyg/squarerig/sq2.htm Kruzenstern Passat Kruzenstern Passat mtaylor, janos, Mike Y and 5 others 8 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 20, 2015 Author #53 Posted November 20, 2015 Rope belaying Small size ropes are belayed with belaying pins, which are plugged into pin rails. Pin rails can be situated on bulwarks on the ship side or made as the fife rails around mast. Belaying pins are made of wood or metal. On the ship is used one only diameter of pins with diameter is of thickest rope used in rigging. Excess of belayed rope is coiled and hanged on the pin. Ropes with bigger diameter are belayed on cleats, kevels, bollards or riding bitts Wissemara. Gotheborg. The ship is fully rigged and seaworthy. Jylland. The ship is not seaworthy and running rigging is significantly reduced Jylland. Basket for rope excess. Kruzenstern. The ship is fully rigged and seaworthy. Passat. The ship is not seaworthy and running rigging is significantly reduced Victory. The ship is not seaworthy and running rigging is significantly reduced Warrior. The ship is not seaworthy and running rigging is significantly reduced. Bounty Kevels ( staghorns ) Amsterdam Vasa Batavia Warrior Victory Cleats Gotheborg. Gotheborg. Shroud cleats. Ridding bitts Batavia Ridding bitts on lower deck for mooring lines and anchor cable. Victory. Ridding bitts for anchor cable. Tadeusz janos, Archi, Altduck and 4 others 7 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 20, 2015 Author #54 Posted November 20, 2015 Cannon tackles Guns placed on guns carriages were equipped with tacks enabling them to go back for loading - train tackles, and return to the position for a shot –gun tackles. The breeching it was thin rope seized to the cascabel or to the gun carriage. Purpose of the breeching was to absorb the recoil of the gun when it was fired. Pivot guns was equipped with tackles for change it position. Vasa Museum Stockholm Marine Musem in Kalskrona (Sweden) Jylland Marine Museum in Gdańsk (Poland) Gotheborg Victory Batavia Warrior Bobstrake, mtaylor, janos and 4 others 7 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 22, 2015 Author #55 Posted November 22, 2015 Pumps Pumps are very important ship equipment and was used for emergency ship dewatering as also for deck washing and fresh water pumping in to the galley. Emergency pumps was located on the deck above waterline with suction from ship bottom near keelson and discharge to the pumpdale scuppers or directly to the deck. Elm tree pump is oldest type of ship pumps. Vasa - reconstruction Batavia Asterdam Victory Chain pump has bigger capacity and was introduced in British Navy in beginning of 18th century. Not was used in the Continental fleets. Chain pump accompanied by elm tree pump Chain pump handles and chain wheel on pump head Chain pumps discharge to the gundeck Pump suction tubes in the well near the main mast feet. Victory Crosshead pump introduced in 19th century. Jylland Flywheel pump introduced in 19th century. Rotary action of flywheel was changed into oscillating movement with crankshaft Jylland Marine Museum in Stockholm Cutty Sark Archi, avsjerome2003, Canute and 2 others 5 Quote
Altduck Posted November 22, 2015 #56 Posted November 22, 2015 Tadeusz I want to thank you for posting this collection of detail photos. Very helpful for a newcomer like me to see good, clear pictures of how these things were done on the various ships. Richard Canute, Bobstrake and Tadeusz43 3 Quote Richard
mtaylor Posted November 22, 2015 #57 Posted November 22, 2015 I'll add this to the pumps.... The French had a another way of "manning the pumps".. see video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-qoLpcyFfU Archi, Tadeusz43 and Canute 3 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)
Tadeusz43 Posted November 23, 2015 Author #58 Posted November 23, 2015 Dear colleagues,Thank you for your kind words about my work, but my stock images on ships and their construction is limited and not very long runs out. I had a dream…Because I see that collect photographic information on this subject can be interesting and useful to propose joint creation ShippediA The Free Encyclopedia period ships and their construction Many of us live near where the maritime museums and museum ships, and can take pictures of interesting passages in their construction and equipment, maybe they want to share them with our community. What do you think about this proposal. Tadeusz Mike Y, mtaylor, janos and 2 others 5 Quote
Tadeusz43 Posted November 26, 2015 Author #59 Posted November 26, 2015 The capstan & windlass Wissemara Kamper Kogge Roland von Bremen Vasa Amsterdam Batavia Gotheborg Bounty ( base of capstan looks like it was out of period) Victory Warrior Jylland Kruzenstern Passat The windlas was powered from capstan situated above on forecastle deck. Passat The capstan and bulwark winch avsjerome2003, riverboat, Bobstrake and 6 others 9 Quote
Bobstrake Posted November 30, 2015 #60 Posted November 30, 2015 Tadeusz, I can't thank you enough for your generosity in sharing these photos. They show wonderful detail and diversity. Canute, reklein, granta and 4 others 7 Quote Bob "Even while the storm raged at it's worst, my ship was wholesome and noble." - Captain Joshua Slocum Current Builds: L'Hermione 1780 - 1:89 - Artesania Latina http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10261-hermione-la-fayette-1780-by-bobstrake-artesania-latina-scale-189/#entry305929<p> Louise - 1:26 - Constructo http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/11855-louise-by-bobstrake-constructo-scale-126/?p=360370 Completed Builds: Carmen 1850 - 1:80 - Constructo - First Build http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10398-carmen-1850-by-bobstrake-constructo-scale-180/#entry31137
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