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Wouldn't it be easier with the frame support still attached to finish the "ribbons", Dick

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Carl, I have removed the support for the moment so I can properly fair up the floors under the vessel. I may put it back on later but the temporary wale around the top timbers seems to provide good stiffness. The stem and sternposts are not yet fixed to the keel. This allows access to the inside of the hull for fairing. I am learning as I go but, so far, so good.

Dick

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Thanks, Steven.

I have faired the hull and installed internal stringers and clamps.The larger wales are positioned where the floors overlap the futtocks at the bend of the bilge as well as where the futtock overlaps the top timber at max breadth. I haven't finished pinning the wales. No trenails were used on the Contarini 1, only nails.

I have put the hull back into the building frame so I can apply the ribbands for bow and stern.

Cheers

Dick

 

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Interesting way to go, Dick, doing the main framing and then adding stem and sternposts. Was there a particular reason for this?

 

BTW, are you using nails for fixing? I take it they're just temporary - what are you replacing them with?

 

Steven

 

PS: Nice precise work.

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20 hours ago, Louie da fly said:

Interesting way to go, Dick, doing the main framing and then adding stem and sternposts. Was there a particular reason for this?

 

BTW, are you using nails for fixing? I take it they're just temporary - what are you replacing them with?

 

Steven

 

PS: Nice precise work.

Only nails are being used as this was how the original was built. No trenails were used according to the relazione of the excavation. I have not connected the stem and stern posts. I will do this after the bow and stern framing is completed and faired. I used this method for my Essex and Gros Ventre builds.

Dick

 

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Beautiful work

Somewhere I have read that in warm waters mostly iron nails were used. Because the wooden treenails were eaten too quickly by woodworm.

 

found it. Source : Joao Baptista Lavanha, who died in 1620

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Steven, just ease of access for the Dremel. You could join the posts up now. The strength is largely in the wales rather than the attachment of the keel to the posts. I need the frames in place before I can extend the wales to the posts. There were no cant frames in this vessel and the bow and stern frames were curved floors placed along the curve of the posts and reinforced with vertical futtocks. I believe there must have been some vertical bow timbers to reinforce the hawse holes but these were not preserved in Contarina 1

 

Thanks, Patrick for the info on iron nails. What was the book? Steffy?

Cheers

Dick

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The first two bow frames are in. Not quite perfect but I think I have the hang of it. Although there are no actual cant frames as we usually understand them, it seems inevitable that some frame rotation or canting creeps in. Note how the floor timbers are now tilted to match the curve of stempost. the curve of floors and futtocks is the same as for the rest of the ship.

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Cheers

Dick

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11 hours ago, druxey said:

Interesting method of construction, Dick.

 

7 hours ago, cog said:

so true druxey. Dick, I wonder how you will make things fit ...

So do I. The venetians managed it.  Unfortunately not all of the bow survived so some extrapolation will be needed.

Dick

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I was able to complete the framing of the bow section. The tilted floors from the wreck were reproduced. The timbers above this level in the Contarina 1 wreck did not survive and have been guessed at. You will note that canted frames became necessary and seem to work. Breasthooks and deck clamps applied.

Dick

 

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Another piece of "learning by doing" - probably the only possible way to construct the bow framing; hard to predict in theory, but the obvious road to travel when doing it in practice.

 

Steven

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