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Thank you Sirs, the joy is on my side ! Ok, lets compromise: 1:100 ... ... let the feast begin ... ;-) XXXDAn
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All the best from me too!!! The thicker breeching line will do a good job. Also for these guns just one training tackle was used. The double one was only used for french 36 an 48 pounders. Makes things easier on the deck :-) Cheers, Daniel
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Smoking guns
dafi replied to dafi's topic in Discussion for a Ship's Deck Furniture, Guns, boats and other Fittings
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Just one more question to our black-powder aficionados: If I see the nicely white washed inner walls of the decks and I think about "exercising the great guns" with live ammunition? Does the whole area of the walls needed to be washed down or even had to be repainted after each of these exercises because of all the black (?) smoke traces of the gunpowder? Also the sponge: Nicely white on the museum ships, but dirty grey in real life? Or even dark anthracite? Questions over questions ... Cheers, Daniel PS: I even do not dare asking for the walls condition after a long battle ...
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If I am not mistaken, the establishment gave the gunport sizes according to the weight of shot intended at the time of construction. This meant, if smaller guns were fitted later - often in the later years of a ship - the guns should have been too low in the port. Also Goodwin mentions, that in Victory there are (were?) some guns with land carriages that were too high situated in the port. Naval carriages were apparently lower in height. Following the initial question too, is that those guns were 4 or 6 pounders on this small vessels, and these were "toy-guns" ... (even though I still do not want to be standing in the way while being fired ...) And coming to the drawing, if I understood well, while sponging and ramming in stuff, the gun captain should stop the vent hole with his finger to create a "air cushion" that avoids ambers to go into the hole and also to extinguish last glowing bits in there by cutting them off the fresh air. XXXDAn
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Anyway, no something completely different ... ... re worked the anatomic side of Sponge-Bob as my son calls him and Dr Tentacle also got his wild brothers put into custody. While the starbord side is deserted as we know from previous posts, we can slowly start populating the port side. As everybody was given a number, n# 4 is already swapping the barrel with his sponge while n# 3 is helping with the cartridge. Still looks quite spacious ... ... but with the training in place it is getting tighter and tighter. Also I would not like to stand there without somebody holding the back tackle - if not one wave and some tons of iron and wood jump towards you and no way to jump out of this tackle bondage. And now imagine 5 guys on the tackle left and 5 guys on the tackle right, pulling the strings, helping with the handspikes, reaching for worm-hooks, wad pads and cannon balls and the guncaptain touching off the hole with his thump - THAT will be hot. And then the same to the gun on the left and the same to the gun on the right. Better than the tube at rush hour ... ... seen from the top, one really can imagine. Soon more, XXXDAn
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Thank you Lawrence, but they should be handled with care as they are highly addictive! Never thought about using them that much when I designed them, but as they were there - a small trial - and crack - you are doomed and highly addicted from the first consumption on ... XXXXDAn
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Thank you Popeye, dragzz, Jan, Patrick, Matti and Nigel :-) But as shown before, this could be just one way of displaying the tackles. The hint of keeping not needed ropes on top of the barrel is something, that is displayed on both Vic and Consti, Just the bow-tie I had to add as the rope was a little to stiff to get an even result otherwise. But the coils are not fixed, so I still have space for improvement. @ Jan, yeah it took ages to produce such a big Tic-Tac, that´s why I was slow in the build lately ... ... and I do not think to produce 850, I think 820 will do the job ... ;-) Cheers, Daniel
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For the background of this display: The guncrew is busy excercising on the opposite side, so these guns are run out for symmetrical reasons and ready for combat with all tackles set. As they are left alone for the time being, the tackles are secured by a half hitch (or a overhand knot with draw-loop) and the length of the rope put over the barrel for easy grabbing. Like this the gun could go into combat within the second. So keep on dreaming ... Here just for the scales sake :-) And my favorite shot for today :-) XXXDAn
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What brings up the next question: What to be done with the length of the side tackles running side ? My usual way, take a length of rope and check the options. The coil was not in my mind for several reasons, that is why I did not try it here. First loosely placed beside the gun - over the breeching rope that lies on the deck - as seen on V. in P. on several guns. I do not like it as ropes could get tangled up easily. Second try, put behind the gun where usually the coils are placed ... ... gives a nice trap to fit the back tackle. And here my personal favorite, also seen on several museum ships, loose loops put over the barrel. Keeps the floor free, no messing, easy to grap. As Captain Hardy was sad to have been was some kind of etiquette freak here a more "ship shape" or "Bristol-fashion" style of: the loops secured in the middle. And this is my personal winner :-) XXXDAn
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Thank you Gil :-) And some tinkering was done too ... First replaced the parcel strings aka side tackles by a better suited rope and reworked the pullies to get them into the right dimensions now. Preassembled outside the hull and a small thread around for not getting tangled up and in we go. For the back hooks I use fine electro pliers, they give more control than tweezers ... ... but for the front hook no other way than the tweezers for space reasons. In the end everything ended on the right place aka hook ... ... and time to pull the strings :-) And now usually come the nice coils on the deck, but like the drawing looks already a bit naughty, I wanted to look for a spiritual salvation for those sailors not to get into ideas ... Often seen too that the rope leads in a straight line from the pulley down to the coil. This made me think ... First: How can a rope be pulled straight down to the coil? The coil just lies on the deck and it is not fixed. The only way would be the rope to fall loosely from the pulley to the deck and is lead there to the coil. Second and more important: Why are the tackles not stopped/belayed? It is possible to show a unsecured tackle in dry dock like the V. in P., but on a real ship, the first wave loosens the tackle and soon one has a lot of stray guns on the deck dancing samba ... First consequences for my build, either one holds the tackle or it should be belayed :-) For the next guns to be worked on, battle stations should be already prepared, but crew occupied on the guns of the opposite side. So the tackles got secured by a half hitch (or a overhand knot with draw-loop) behind the rear blocks. And something surprising but logical: As I used the original lengths of rope, the back tackles do not need a coil or something alike, as there is almost no rope left :-) I letted the free end on the deck, even though it could have been arranged nicely otherwise. XXXDAn
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How do do. you know me that well ? Quite close - all guns finally fixed on the lower deck :-) Dan
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This week was week to remember, because of ... *please fill in your own guesses* XXXDAn
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Nice and worthy additions :-) The groove on the masthead was meant for the Heller shrouds. XXXDAn
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Thank you Popeye, it turned out, that the instructions for my parts became some kind of "best-of" of the tips from this building report here :-) Here the collection: http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_1_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_2_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_3_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_4_v10b.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_5_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_6_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_7_v10.pdf http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_8_v10.pdf Cheers, Daniel
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Hy Popeye and Lawrence, thank you! @canoe21 I just use the template to sign the position with a pen and then remove it. Otherwise the danger of glue getting stuck under the template is too big. http://www.dafinismus.de/bilder/Etch_Victory_en_5_v10.pdf Page 13 Cheers, Daniel
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