Tallshiptragic
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Thanks Sjors haha I remeasured the ports three times and again twice after I mounted the wales so started using different coloured pencils so I wouldn't get confused hahaha she's a little dirty but the starboard will look clean compared. While this kit has a great starting base there is so much that needs changing but I swear once the second planking is on, you'll approve 😊- 322 replies
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Hahaha for sure When I get a chance I'll pull out my 1/72 arleigh Burke for a size comparison (still in the build process also but the hull and superstructure are complete). Something appealing with having the models at the same or close to same scale.
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Thanks mate, they definitely do that's the biggest appeal for me. There is a small Dutch company Kolderstock models which has a kit of Batavia and Duyfken available. From the looks of the Modelers shipyard website in NSW they have their Duyfken kit but branded under their own Modelers Shipyard range. I have though 1/50 scale plans of the Batavia replica about 20 sheets in all along with plans for De Zeven Provinciën (which will go nicely alongside the Sovereign as they fought each other) plus quite a few plans of 17th century Dutch merchant vessels of the VOC so initially Batavia is in my scratch built list. The Kolderstock kit also based on the replica however looks to be a nice kit 1/72 or 1/75 and reasonably cheap also.
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Gun ports on the port side now pierced. What a job that has been lining them up to the existing plans and the sketches of Van der Velde! However the hard work has paid off I believe as they cut through the wales close to what appears in the sketch of Van der Velde. The hard bit has been done so now the starboard ports will be a breeze to mark and cut. Once the starboard have been cut, filling and lining of the ports will begin. Plywood cut out port lids are supplied in the sergal kit which were perfect for the upper gun deck size however the middle ad lower gun decks which carry larger caliber guns increases in size which I have also replicated. She's coming together slowly but hopefully accurately:)
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Definitely on mine haha! Just cut the first ports wow what a headache I'll post later once I've done the port side.
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She's looking great Sjors! I've fallen in love with the history of this ship while building mine and find it a great help to view others great builds!
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Such a lovely build! It sure does bring me some memories! It was my first wooden kit I built with my father when I was still in school. Though nothing was laser cut back then so the old man cut everything out on the band saw for me haha. I remember saving my pocket money to get my hands on this as I was only 13. It started my own fascination with model building after watching my father build while I was growing up. As soon as I finished this model we went back to the hobby shop and I put Billings Vasa on lay by and the rest is history 😊
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Such lovely work! That lifeboat is brilliant also.
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Congratulations on selecting a truly magnificent vessel to model. I have always wanted to and hope to one day build this model also so I'll pull up a chair and enjoy watching her come to life in your build.
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As she is now. Now these five strakes are on I'm happy to recheck my ports and cut them out. The upper strakes from now are decorative molded pieces. These are provided in brass in the kit and are actually quite nicely done so if they measure up right I don't see any problems using them.
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Second row of strakes on port side now on. I originally left the stubs for the galleries on just incase they lined up.... of course they don't match Van der Velde's sketch. Sergal portrays them lower then how I've measured up the ports and strakes so the stubs have now been removed. The floors of the galleries are built up on the middle strakes and the strake above. This makes me believe more so that the original gun decks did in fact follow the strakes as earlier ships of the 17th century had also done and during a refit prior to 1660 she had received flatter decks. Of course this is only speculation as the we don't know what the internals of the ship itself was like and can only make an educated guess. The Van der Velde sketch which is believed to be dated 1659 as she was about to have her second rebuild(James sephton)clearly shows the ship viewed from off the port bow and the hull in detail with the long low beakhead, carvings and extended galleries with open walkways forward of the closed in rear sections. The gun decks do cut through the strakes. Van der Velde's sketch of the sovereign 1660 from the starboard quarter shows a dramatic change in her appearance with a shorter beakhead resemblance of the Prince of 1670, and while the galleries are still recognizable from the squared shaped two levels and three copullas above them, the open walkways are now gone. The carvings aren't as clear on her upper works but lightly outlined so apparent still there. It was from this time that the Dutch named her the 'Golden Devil'. Vertical strakes on the waist of her hull are also now very clear resembling those on other ships of the later of the 17th century, these were to provide some protection while lowering ships boats so as to not damage the wales. Another interesting thing is on the port side the entry gallery on the middle gun deck is still apparent though not on the starboard side. However side steps leading up the hull are on the starboard side. The book mentions that the entry port was possibly only on her port side, using these and other sketches and contemporary engravings as resources. So for my sovereign I'll only include the entry port on her port side. I'll include the sketches dated 1660 below. I have to admit I really am enjoying the research into her and the 'bashing' of the kit. She definitely had an interesting career especially with her modifications.
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She does have a lovely pronounced tumble home the height of the transom from the keel is 27.5cm but will be 29cm and the bows is 19cm
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She does look fantastic, will be great to see it along side my Sovereign once she's completed being approximately the same scale.
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Thanks mate I'm quite happy with the way the strakes sit on the hull. I'll do the starboard ones tonight. This arvo though decided to make up a working stand for her now the first planking is complete. There isn't one in the kit so just used a bit of mdf and pine I had in the shed. A lot more stable compared to the clamp I was using as she's getting more weight on her. Also better than propping her up all the time.
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Oh it's getting beyond a joke. Have spent the past few months converting JHA's into SWP's which will make life a hell of a lot easier but wow it's a headache getting there. Back to to the build haha the main two strakes are on the port side now. I've used the walnut provided in the kit which I find is a nice wood for this. Of course they are very thick so a mixture of heating up the wood in hot/warm water and ironing to get the plank to form around the bows is much needed. I use the iron steam to dry the plank out so it doesn't shrink after fixing to the hull. I ended up purchasing James Sephtons book as an e-book which one I now have instantly and can print out pages and images as I need. A little shame as I do like a proper book but at only $9.85 AU that's one hell of a saving over the hard copy. Again lining everything up according to the Van der Velde sketch of 1659-60 prior to her refit. Again unlike earlier ships ships like the Prince Royal 1610, and Vasa 1628 the gun decks run straighter than the sheer line of the hull so the last three ports actually cut into the strakes. Because of this the strakes were run in pairs parallel with each other for the lower and middle strakes. The upper strakes was only one strake and would be lesser in height/width the higher up the hull. The purpose of the pairs was to distribute the weakening of the hull where the ports are cut. This would lead to the build up full bands of strakes as in vessels from the 18th century onwards. Once the strakes are on I'll be able to line up the quarter galleries also as these follow the line of the strakes and the correct placement of the gun ports. The maple I've ordered is 5mm so I'll also make sure I've measured between each run of strakes to allow the second planking to easily lie between them. Below ive attached pics of the first two strakes and the line plan from James sephtons book which matches the Van der Velde sketch.
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God... bloody JHA's! Luckily our company has done away with take 5's as people used them as a tick and flick exercise so was just a waste haha But yes, from walking to the shed and back, making a coffee, siting on the patio and having a smoke. 5 JHA's were completed as the tasks were outside the SWP's, confined space permit needed for entering the shed and a hot works for using a lighter! Hahahaha but the lunch time siren went so all works stop otherwise the union would strike!! Hahaha
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You're right to have them white. They would have painted the entire hull below the waterline with white stuff. Have included a pic of Endeavour high and dry for you.
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Haha should be here next week having the tracking from auspost so can't wait! I'll use the walnut for the lower two Gunwale strakes though as they will be painted black anyway and I really want to get that wale right before I pierce the ports on the hull. I will be following the sketches of Van der Velde for this, so the deviation has already started! Haha
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I've ordered some new planks last night for the decks as sergal has included birch I believe for them and they're too dark and too thick even compared to their own plans and also some maple to see what i prefer for the hull also just got the confirmation from modelers shipyard my planks are ok their way!
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Well back to the drawing board regarding the SOTS book as it turns out it's not in stock and not expected within 120 days...... I don't think I can wait that long so will need to find another solution.
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Hi Matt, thanks for checking in. The quality is quite good and as you would expect for a kit at the $1500+ range though from what I have seen very different to that of the later and current Mantua version. Firstly the first planking is lime wood as you wood normally find in European kits and not the Balsa of the current version. Also birch and walnut is provided for the second layer of hull planking and decks. The current version has pre cut gun port strips with simulated planking which one depicts the incorrect gun port locations if modifying but also doesn't match the walnut to plank in between?? Something I wouldn't expect in such an expensive kit. Also the current versions false decks are scored to simulate deck planking.. again not what I would expect from such a kit. I have downloaded he manual from mantua which is probably the only good and needed improvement from the original sergal kit as it's full of colour photos depicting each step. Though the drawn steps on the plans I'm familiar with having built a Sergal kit in the past and you also find these types of steps in Corel kits I have built. My moldings are heavy brass pieces which hold some crisp detail and carry a nice patina which is an interesting look if you were to not paint them. The bright gold coloured ones of the new kit look too gold and plastic in appearance from photos I've seen. I don't want to sound too critical as I've seen some amazing out of the box models from those kits just a little confused as to why Mantua went down that path? So all in all I can't complain with the quality of materials in my version of the sergal kit and even without modification a beautiful model can be built. As a side note I still believe the walnut for the hulls second planking to be too dark naturally so am thinking about using maple as a replacement. Need to weigh up the costs in that first before I make a decision.
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