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Posts posted by AnobiumPunctatum
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Aguriel,
if you have Antscherls TFFM have a look in volume 1, page 88. There is a description for the correct position of the treenails in the chocks.
To your observations and questions:
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- Yes, only the floor timbers and first futtocks are glued together. The timbers for the other frames are thinner and there the double frames will be connected with spacers. B and D are single frames. The change of double and single frames is common for English ships of this period.
- Frame 0: floor timber 1ft 4in, second futtock 1ft 3in, fourth futtock 1ft 1in; Frame 1 and (A): first futtock 1ft 4in, third futtock 1ft, 2in, top timber 1ft 1in
- That's a question of what you want. In the group build all timbers ofthe frames have the same size. In the original ship the timbers will become thinner. In my opinion and if this is your first try I would follow this simplification. If you like to know the correct sizes I will have a look in my book.
- Yes, there are the spacers. If you follow the dimensions in the books the top timbers are 1/4in smaller. I think that this is negligible in 1/48.
- The position of the gun ports gives the position of the frames The sizes of the timbers and the tolerances define the space. I would start to build the double frames and position them correct. Then I would add the filling frames (single frames) regular between them.
- See answer 6
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Your frame is looking really good. The joints a very clean. Have you used a black pecil for showing them? I would only use a light brown pencil.
If you don't understand the drawing, please ask. I am happy if I can help you. I hope the following information help you to understand the drawing a little bit better.
The drawing is a part of the originial Disposition of Frames Drawing for HMS Triton. It shows the arrangement of the frames. The small numbers and letters at the bottom indentify the station lines. The midship frame is at station 0. It is a single frame with a thickness which is not common for ships of this period. Therefore the shipbuildes have given the dimensions of the different timbers. The next frame is a double frame. From the second futtock to the top you see a double line, because there is air between the frames. To connect the frames spacers (small timber blocks) are necessary. Under the gun ports are two single frames which have the regular dimensions. Allan Yedlinskys book is a fantastic reference for finding the correct dimensions. The next frame is a double frame, also with air ventilation.
If you need further information, please let me know.
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- Eddie, mtaylor, Captain Poison and 2 others
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So, a long story but one I hope will generate some interest.
It does. Your clipper will be a possible project in the future if my sloop is finished. I like the lines of the hull and also the interesting rigging of this ship type. How long will be the fully rigged model in 1/72?
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During the work on the Deadwood, I found an interesting detail on the original drawing.
David wrote in his book, that the knee will end under the lower filling transom. If I interpret the line right, it looks that the knee also sits in front of and under the other transoms. Is it possible, that this part looks similiar to the keelson or the stemson? Or show the drawing smaller parts of timber which are sitting only under the transoms?
Perhaps someone can help me how to interpret the line correct.
- aviaamator, EdT, Tadeusz43 and 5 others
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Simon,
very nice build.
If you cut the parts of the components for the stem, you have to look to the grain of the wood. It should be always in the longitudinal direction of the part and not perpendicular as seen on your stem. Take this for the future and don't changeit on your model, after coppering not much will be seen from this.
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I think a combination of both timbers must look great. Frames in pear or cherry and the planking in cedar
- mtaylor, Tim Murphy, Canute and 1 other
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The second year of my build is almost over. Not much progress this year, but I hope that I can post a last update at New Year's Eve.
It's time to say Thank You to all who followed my log, to all who wrote their own log I where I found so much hints and inspiration and to the crew of this wonderful forum for their great job..
- mtaylor, archjofo, zoly99sask and 10 others
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Triton cross section by Anguirel -1:48
in Cross Section Build Logs for HMS TRITON
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No problem, here are the values for the regular frames from Elements of Naval Architecture (Steel):
floor timber: 12 1/2''
1st futtock: 13''
2nd futtock: 11''
3rd futtock: 10 1/2''
4th futtock: 10 1/4''
top timber: 10''
Source: Allan Yedlinsky: Scantlings of Royal navy Ships 1719-1805, SeaWatchBooks LLC, 2014