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HMS Victory Renovation - Outer Planking Removed
Gregory replied to Steve20's topic in Nautical/Naval History
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Thank you... It will be later today before I can get to my graphics tools. Meanwhile, what is the width of your planking strips?
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Stern stealers do not seem to be very common on contemporary or scratch models. The builders just widen the planks as necessary. With kits this is not possible because there is no material for wider planks. Therefore one or more stealers will be necessary approaching the steepest. To approximate a planking expansion for this model, I would need the following information: The width of your planking stock The distance from the keel to the top of the sternpost The distance from the keel to the bottom of the Wales at a midship bulkhead. This is an actual measurement, not just the vertical distance. Also, the measurement from the keel at the turn of the stem, up to the bottom of the Wales. If this is not clear, I will try to provide a diagram later.
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To make a possible guess I would need to see a picture of the middle of the model. The area I have circled viewed straight on.
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The documents and many examples on this forum ( Look at the Cheerful and Winchelsea build logs ) are the best references we have. They are as clear and detailed as it gets. The primary concern is measuring the space available for the number of strakes, and yes, stealer or drop planks might be of help. I know you said you have read everything, but you might take another look at this: https://modelshipworldforum.com/resources/Framing_and_Planking/Lining Off your hull for planking.pdf
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I particularly like the way the actual carriage shows how countersunk the eyebolts are and the washers under the through-bolts. The eyebolt for the breach rope ring also has an interesting shape, in that it is squared off to some extent and the ring fits fairly tight in the bolt. Those are some details to consider when modeling gun carriages. FWIW Your picture sparked some interest, and Googling for that image led me to: https://maritimearchaeologyprogramdenmark.wordpress.com/2010/01/06/guns-in-3d/ They have a 3D model for Rhino and Sketchup. I have neither program, so I downloaded the trial for Sketchup just to look at the model and have some details for future reference.
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The circled ports would have no lids. I'm not sure about 1 or two more forward and aft. It would depend on intervening bulkheads. In the absence of bulkheads, the free movement of air and water would be desirable.
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Gunport lids served no purpose on a weather deck. The enclosed spaces would benefit from them.
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Are the masts glued in place. If not, you can use the stays to achieve the desired rake. To affect the run of the ratlines in a noticeable way, the amount of rake would have to be substantial. On the plans, measure the angle between the mast and the deck. It's then fairly easy to make a template to match the angle.
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Do the plans not show the angle/rake of the masts?
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Did gun crews dress like that? I'm thinking some noble/aristocrat had himself painted as part of a gun crew..
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I think Allan nailed it with "artistic license "..;
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P.S. Allan, I thought you might like this picture. A triple block on the outhaul tackle, and two double blocks on the training tackle. 😁
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Here is a contemporary drawing from 1775. Found here.
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Allan, That particular drawing does not even include the extra ringbolts and other details often seen on the carriages. It doesn't seem to be a good example.
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For moving onto or off of the ship?
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Books to learn Fusion 360
Gregory replied to allanyed's topic in CAD and 3D Modelling/Drafting Plans with Software
Thanks Allan for starting this topic and thank @mgdawson for the Kevin Kennedy reference.. Was able to start feeling comfortable with the interface after the first video.. Fusion 360 has there own tutorials which are a great way to explore the capabilities of the program before trying to use it. https://help.autodesk.com/view/fusion360/ENU/courses/ -
If I may? A deadeye without holes is not a deadeye...😁
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Great new model Chris! Just for reference there are some pictures in the Gallery of a contemporary Trial model.
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Those hinges do look great! There was a time when making them yourself would have far surpassed anything available aftermarket, but not anymore.
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A very nice model! Makes me feel better about taking my time..
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Allan, my point was, when someone asks for help bending walnut, suggesting they use a different wood is not really any help with the problem if they would prefer to use walnut.
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Yes, but if someone wants to use what came in the kit, we should help as best we can without telling them their only option is to buy something else.
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I would venture over 90% of the builds at MSW are are kits and many of them relative beginners, who may not be inclined to go to a lot of additional expense beyond what they paid for a 'crap kit. Fortunately they do get a lot of help, instead a load of crap from someone who seems to offer a lot of advice, but no real help with regard to overcoming a problem with what they have at hand.
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There are some drawings of an Endymion at the WIKI Commons, but they look nothing like the model. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Ship_plans_of_the_Royal_Museums_Greenwich&filefrom=DISCOVERY+1901+RMG+J7441.jpg#/media/File:ENDYMION_1797_RMG_J5174.jpg
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