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2 hours ago, Roger Pellett said:

For small wooden parts like this you might find a harder wood easier to work with.  

Second that comment.   There are myriad discussions here at MSW on different hard woods that should help if you do not have a specific species in mind.

Allan

Your model is the best advertising for Syren in general Chuck.   REALLY beautiful workmanship.

Allan

Welcome Kevin! Looking forward to your future builds, subs or otherwise.😀

Allan

Like the below?  This is supposed to be from the early 17th century, but hope it might help for your 16th century. 

Allan

Very nice work for a first build Sparkov

For the future note that the gratings did not have openings adjacent to the head ledges or coamings, but rather had a solid edge as in the drawing below.  I find it easiest to make the grating so it has this solid edge then make the head ledges and coamings to fit.    

Allan

Tiziano,

I agree with Johann that the pictures on making the knees is great.  I will be using this in the future!   Thanks

Allan

Sono d'accordo con Johann sul fatto che le foto su come fare i supporta sono fantastiche. Lo userò in futuro! Grazie

Ciao amico

Allan

Your research continues to impress!   Good to know about the launches after 1783 which I THINK is the year shown in that paragraph.   

Great find.

Allan

I have seen magnificent models with the lower planking made with holly that gives the impression of white stuff instead of paint.  If going for a copper bottom look, consider Swiss pear.   Supply was likely white bottomed when launched in 1759 but probably copper bottomed sometime later possibly when converted in 1786, so the choice is yours if you want to go that route.

Allan

15 hours ago, Stuntflyer said:

I wanted to give this a try at least once before making use of the laser cut versions.

Great idea and really great execution.

Allan

16 hours ago, RichieS said:

I deliberately picked this kit as I thought it would give me a good introduction to most elements of ship building

To learn really good and useful techniques that will carry over to future builds you may want to consider one or more of the three kit beginner series designed by David Antscherl.  https://modelexpo-online.com/Model-Shipways-Shipwright-3-Kit-Combo-Series_p_5465.html    I wish this kind of quality and expertise were available when I started building.

Allan

I know very well the work that you have done and the willingness to share with the members is stupendous.   I think the fifteen shown above are more than anyone else has offered in any pattern, let alone just one pattern.   If others feel we need additional calibers/lengths, it would be great to see them provide them to the membership as you are doing.  The more the better.   You mentioned the differences in the Armstrong and Armstrong Frederick, members should know that you also changed the badge to George 3 on the AF pattern compared to George 2 on the Armstrong pattern as it should be.

Allan

Chaos

For many, it is a good idea to study contemporary information to compare with what a kit offers.   Research by members here often surpasses the research done by many kit designers and they are willing to share their knowledge so a great source of help.  Regarding terminology, the following may help a little.  

Allan

So am I.  My oldie is near the end of its life as I used it for milling for quite a few years before I could buy a mill so the bearings of course are well worn.  With a new press on my wish list your review will be helpful.  Thanks in advance Gregory

Allan

1 minute ago, RichieS said:

I don't think the thinness of the plank (approx 1.5mm wide at point it snapped) helped, combined with my inexperience. 

Hi Richie

For a first build it looks like you have taken a lot of pride in your work.   Learning how to get great planking takes practice and yours is really pretty good, especially as it appears you took care to reduce the breadth of the planks as they approach the bow.  The species of wood and thickness of the material will have an effect as well.  For ship's boats planking my go-to is holly.  From W.E. Mays book on ship's boats,  the bottom planking was typically about 1.125" thick on longboats. (0.6mm at 1:48)   I tend to go a tad heavier so I have some material for sanding the planked hull.   

Allan

18 hours ago, MajorChaos said:

The cap rail. 

Beautiful build!

Probably just terminology but ships' boats did not usually have cap rails.  They did have gunwales that were quite thick to support the parts where the oars sat.   Below is a group of typical gunwales from plans at RMG.  You can see them in the RMG Collections site by typing in the ZAZ number in the search box.  You can see how thick the gunwale is on the contemporary Medway longboat model below and at RMG as well.  https://www.rmg.co.uk/collections

Allan

A very warm welcome to MSW Barry.  

Allan

15 minutes ago, GrandpaPhil said:

excellent yards and the thinner masts.

Hi Phil,

How do they do when you form the octagonal portions in the center of the yards and the octagonal and square sections on the masts?

Thanks

Allan

Did you spile or prebend the planks via the method in Chuck Passaro's video series on You Tube?  If they are pre-shaped  you don't need to force the planks or any clamps.  Forcing the planks (edge bending) usually causes lifting and is a difficult thing to fix.  The ship's boats in the photos below were planked without the use of clamps.

Allan

Welcome to MSW.  Looking forward to your build log.

Allan

6 hours ago, mal said:

Please when is the best time to put the sails on the yardarms

Mal

A different take on this,  hope you don't mind.  Most, not all, contemporary models do not have sails.  I have done models with sails if requested but more often than not do not include them as they block much of the details of the rigging lines.  Look at photos of rigged models on the RMG Collections site to see what you like best, then go for it.   If you do go with sails keep in mind there is no cloth in existence that is to scale.   Most kit sails look more like burlap and take away from the look, IMHO.  For example, if the heaviest canvas is used for a sail it has a thread count (TC) of about 50.   At 1:48 scale that is a TC of 2400. At 1:64 it would be about 3200, neither of which I have ever been able to find.  Silkspan is a great alternative and there is an excellent booklet for $5 at SeaWatch Books on sail making.  Volume 4 of TFFM is loaded with information on rigging a model that you may also find helpful.

Allan

This is great, and thanks for all the pics.  A good day for me learning yet another vessel building technique! 😀

Allan

4 hours ago, Reverend Colonel said:

The molds (both in the building of a full size boat and this one) are made with slots for these stringers.

Thanks Reverend Colonel 

The slots for the stringers of course makes sense, but I thought the planking would still go outboard as shown on your plans.  (See below)  If the planking is not attached to the frames what holds the planking together?    You mentioned full size boats are built this way, do you mean stringers lie between the frames and planks like your model or are they built like the plans you posted?  This is a totally new technique for me and I am curious to see more on how this all works without the planking coming apart on a full size boat.

Allan

I may be wrong, but normally the frames are outboard of the stringers or risers as the planks are formed around and attached to the frames.  In your photo the planking from the turn of the bilge to the top have a gap between the planking and frames so are not supported by anything. The drawing (from your post) below shows the inboard of the starboard side and the stringer can be seen as being inboard of the frames rather than outboard.  Hopefully the photo below showing the riser, frames, and planking will explain better than my jibberish.😀

Allan

On 12/1/2023 at 5:39 PM, Papa said:

fantastic metal work and attention to detail.

Well said Papa!

Hi John

She continues to be a lovely build, kudos.  I never realized Bluenose had pear shaped deadeyes combined with round ones.   I cannot find plans or photos of Bluenose or any other vessel ever having that combination.  Very interesting.

Allan

Thanks for posting the video Beez.  Seeing the end results confirms all the bad reviews have been correct, or possibly understated.  

Allan