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Just had a read through the relevant info in my copy of search for speed under sail. Very interesting reading even if one is not building the PdN.- 359 replies
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I don't think of her as beautiful though. She's clunky looking in the stern to my eye and her bow seems clunky as well. I prefer ships a little older vintage, but not so far back as the mid 1700s. Late 1700s or to my eye but aesthetics are just one part of the package. A beautiful ship that's top-heavy and can't sail to windward is useless.
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The later the ship the better the design theory seems born out by Frolick's comment that many seem to think USS Ohio to be the best and she's from 1820, toward the end of the time these vessels would have been built. I suppose I could ask the question another way, "If one were to replicate one today at full scale for the purpose of experiencing the best 74 gun ship experience we could without building in engines and other modern gizmos that take you out of the 18th and 19th century, what ship would one choose to replicate?"
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Maybe a bit more detail is required. Clearly greatest could mean many things. I'm trying to figure out what class (or individual ship) had the best mix of sailing qualities, weatherliness, speed, firepower, seakeeping abilities in storms, stowage space for victuals and stores for long voyages, ease of maintenance etc. I'm sure some were better than others. Some classes were very small but other classes, such as the forty thieves were quite large. One can presume that if only one or two of a class were built, it was deemed not to be successful and they dropped it, while if they continued to build them (such as the forty thieves) one might presume they were successful. That isn't to say that the most prolific class was the best vessel. Any thoughts now that I've added a bit to my question?
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As the title says, what ship (or class really) of 74 gun ship was the best of the breed? Most tend to lean toward the French ships but I really don't know. Temeraire maybe? I can't imagine the forty thieves would be considered for the award. What say you?
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The carriages under the museum model guns are terrible. Why are they so basic in construction when the rest of the model is so nice?
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It really is a shame the world never got to see her stretch her legs in those conditions. Anyone with extra deep pockets feel like an experiment?
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Oh, I knew that size difference was pronounced. We're talking 960 tons vs 2500 and more. Not even the same ballpark. But still, both are quite similar in hull shape.
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44 inches? That's mammoth. You could essentially call it 4 feet, it's close enough nobody would know the difference. 110 foot yard is pretty big as well. Who has the next longest? I think Cutty Sark's are interesting in that her fore and main yards were interchangeable which provided a bit of backup but also made her rig quite a bit larger than what was normally rigged on ships in those days.
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They were all fully rigged 3 masted ship except GR with her 4th mast, is that correct? The difference in scale even at this stage of the project is striking. Discounting GR, the remaining are all 3 masted so the difference in size of the rig and gear must have been quite considerable. Looking forward to more progress. Cheers, Daniel
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Your ironmongery is awesome Ed. Keep showing us how you do the magic that you do.
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If you look at a model of a man of war, there's a rope holding the bowsprit down. That's called gammoning. In newer vessels, it's usually a metal band that does the job.
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What information will be included with the hulls? Ship's name and some basic dimensions like LOA, LWL, Draught and Beam maybe?
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My understanding is that the distortion will be dependant on the scale and size. Small rowboats have been projection lofted but when you start dealing with multiple decks, complex shapes etc. it becomes too much and you'll never get it to properly transfer the correct shapes. Nobody has been able to successfully projection loft a large complex boat for the reasons you've discovered. I do recall an article in Woodenboat magazine a number of years ago about projection lofting though.
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Because you don't have enough ships being built right now? Looking forward to seeing your progress.
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Gammoning is the rope and a gammon is the (normally metal) strap that goes over a bowsprit to keep it from rising up. Not sure what fitting you're referring to though.
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I'd say pick the one that's closest to being done and concentrate on her. Then move to the next closest. Oh, and don't start any more new ones until you're at least closing in on the last one remaining.
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Does anybody know how nippers were passed in those days? I know we do it differently now than what' you've got shown here and was wondering if anyone knows for sure how it used to be done?
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Nelson's patented method for boarding 4 deckers.
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Cutty Sark by NenadM
Sailor1234567890 replied to NenadM's topic in - Build logs for subjects built 1851 - 1900
I'd be inclined to put the lifeboats upright and the captain's jolly boat upside down. It wouldn't be used often whereas the lifeboats need to be ready at a moment's notice.- 4,152 replies
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Ed, As usual, your work is exquisite. I have a question about that lower top'sl truss. Are you taking it from drawings, scaling of photographs? A rigging plan? I can only imagine the stresses that piece must have been under as the lower top'sls were the last sails handed when stormy weather came so were therefore often the strongest sails in the ship. Still, that truss looks bulky to me. How does one determine who much structure is required to meet stresses of hard usage but not overdo it and add unnecessary weight aloft or make it "look wrong" in the process?
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What's the purpose of those hooked scarphs the whole length of the wale? Why not simply use straight planks?
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