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After I started on the balcony. I new i had forgotten something
Bolts.

 

So first apply bolts to the wales and to the places where the knees are

Info about the bolts. Source: the Gresham ship.

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To scale I must therefore have bolts whose head is 1.1 to 1.2 mm. The spacing between the bolts on the wales is 2 to 3 cm.

Small nails of 1 cm "without head" are suitable for this. The heads vary between 1.1 and 1.2 mm in diameter. Right size it can not be better.

 

Method used :

The nails are first degreased in acetone and dryed. Then the heads are made black with Perma Bleu and cut to length with a pair of pliers

Predrilling a hole where a nail should come. Nail and ready.

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Work in progres

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  • 2 weeks later...
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Finished the bolts in the wales, keel, stern and stempost (the bolts below the waterline will be painted white later).

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Posted (edited)

Time for an update of the canon deck / orlop deck.
This deck will be little visible later.The intention is to detail as much as possible as an exercise for building the higher decks.


The deck planks are a mix of the decks of the Mary rose and the Vasa
Side walls such as the San Juan wale ship
Standing knees like the Gesham ship.


This is the current status.
The construction method will come in different posts.
Spring has begun and there is a lot of work in the garden and the spring clean up :(

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Edited by Backer
Posted

Patrick,

 

Superb update - again ! I have bookmarked some of your current ideas for use in my current project.

As always thanks for sharing such well explained "how to" details.

Beautiful work on this prroject

 

Regards,

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

Posted
9 hours ago, md1400cs said:

Patrick,

 

Superb update - again ! I have bookmarked some of your current ideas for use in my current project.

As always thanks for sharing such well explained "how to" details.

Beautiful work on this prroject

 

Regards,

Thanks Michael

 

I have looked at your Santisima build a few times. Looks promising.
But be careful
I  see many differences with the construction of a hull in the 16th century and in the period of your ship (18th century ?)

Posted
6 hours ago, Backer said:

Thanks Michael

 

I have looked at your Santisima build a few times. Looks promising.
But be careful
I  see many differences with the construction of a hull in the 16th century and in the period of your ship (18th century ?)

Patrick,

 

Yes noted - thanks - I was primarily going to pinch some of your work ideas with treenails and pins. Yes 18th cent.

Michael

Current buildSovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal

Under the table:

Golden Hind - C Mamoli    Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati

Completed:   

Santa Maria-Mantua --

Vasa-Corel -

Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th

Gallery :    Santa Maria - Vasa

 

 

 

 

Posted

The Cannon deck or orlop deck.
Most details on this deck are guesswork. As soon as the upper deck is built, there  will be little left visible of this deck (the idea is to place LED lights inside later)

 

The planking of the deck.
My only references were the Mary Rose (early 16th century) and the Vasa (early 17th century)
The Mary Rose deck looks like one big puzzle.
The Vasa deck looks beautiful and looks good.
What to use from the 2 as an example? So a "mix" of the 2

(Mary Rose deck)

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My first attempt :(

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The hatches were applied to this deck
And i started planking a new deck above the first deck. And then forgot to take pictures :default_wallbash:

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Started planking at the sides of the hatches

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Apparently never stop with a sharp point. Just stop a plank like this.

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Wider planks to fill larger holes.

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Result
There is some "Vasa" order in Mary Rose "puzzle"

I used a marker pen for caulking the planks, and will NOT use this on the upper decks. I dont like it after the painting is done.

The treenails are made with a pencil, fast and easy. And good enough fot this deck.

 

Coloring of the deck. 
2 thin layers of thinned Tamiya dark sea grey XF-54 (20% paint 80% isopropylalcohol) are used.
I like the result It looks pretty good as old weathered oak

 

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Posted

Thanks Lawrence

 

The pictures that are now being explained are indeed from a while ago.   Work on this gun deck was done between other works on the hull.
At the moment there is little time to build. Work in the garden and other jobs.

Translating to English is also time-consuming for me, because I never learned English in school. 

So for now only updates with explanations about this cannon deck.

 

Ps
I am already looking forward to your new build log

Posted

The sidewalls below deck, 

All of these objects have been previously installed during construction. But not yet explained

Apparently there were 2 ways. With planking on the inner sides or with the frames remain visible.
It was decided to leave the frames / futtocks visible. This detail could be done better. But later this part is only visible through the gun ports and possibly an open hatch, so this is good enough.
Historically correct for an English ship ?? who knows, this example is Spanish (San Juan)
Traces of the standing knees have been found on an english shipwreck (Gresham). And yes they also effectively hindered the free firing field of some cannons.
Hanging knees and beams for the upper deck will be applied later. 

Water that came on this deck was drained through holes to the lower cargo space ( source Gresham ship)

A breast hook and the construction for the anchor cable are also made (source : vasa ship and the Batavia replica)

The photos speak for themselves.

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Work on the balcony has also been started up again.

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Posted

The balcony is started

interesting info can be found on this forum.  https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/3123-the-heads-in-the-head-and-the-aft/&do=findComment&comment=86046


First introduced in the 1530s
First description on an English ship in 1546

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Supports and beams are provided as they could have been placed on a ship of that time
The planks are arranged on the beams as I would attach them on 1/1 scale.
First the supports are applied, and between the supports the connecting beams. planking is applied

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It is possible that for the higher ranks sanitary facilities were installed on these balconies. So 2 sanitary facilities are made, primitive, but effective
Info about this was also found in the thesis
The common people will get a place in the front of the ship

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Posted
On 3-4-2018 at 6:37 PM, G.L. said:

Nice cable bitt, Patrick.

 

G.L.

Thanks Geert,

 

I have also  made and installed a door. The idea of the hinges and the lock are coming from a door of an old church somewhere in Northern Scandinavia.

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Posted

Thanks Steven and Michael.

 

The door of the balcony has been removed. 

Did not like it, some extra detail needs to be added first.

Posted

The door is more detailed.
Windows are made of clear plastic (PVC). And it is the intention to become glass in lead.

 

First  i make grooves with a needle in the plastic.

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Then the "lead" insert is made with stretched sprue (light gray sprue has been used and is not painted)

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the clear plastic and wood fittings are glued and colored.

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ready
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Posted

Thanks Geert,

 

The bottom of the balcony is painted and provided with bolts.

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The side of the balcony could be open with pillars or closed with planks.
With me it becomes open with pillars. It looks that this was the most common at that time. An example is made as a template.

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4 pillars can be made together with a simple holder.

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A first test (not yet glued)

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Start gluing

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Backside "work in progress" Planks are provided between the pillars.  The question: 2 planks or 3 planks?
My wife says :I want 3 planks 
I think 2 is better, compared to the drawing (2nd photo)

:(

Does anyone have an idea ??

 

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Posted

Hi Patrick, wonderful work

 

Concerning the balcony question : I'd also settle for option 2, option 3 seems a bit "crowded" to me.

Kind regards

 

Christian

 

"The original always beats the copy"

(supportive statement)

Posted

Thanks,

 

Christian, G.L. and i   : 3 points

My wife  : 1 point

 

We won. It will be 2 planks 

Who is going to tell her this......me ;)

 

Posted

Balcony, work in progress.

One opening of the balcony is too narrow for 2 planks and and too wide for one plank.

so why not do something special here and add a Tudor rose (Historically probably totally wrong, but a nice challenge to do ;))

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tudor_rose

 

So far so good, and now i am trying to make a crown for on top of the rose

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  • 3 weeks later...
Posted

The balcony is finished (Finally)
I had underestimated the time and work required for this work...

 

I made a crown in plastic to place above the rose
And did not like this. So, the crown was removed again.

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Supports for awnings are also provided.

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Posted

Started with the beakhead,

 

I use old drawings as an example for the outside of the bow. For the inside (deck) a photo of the Batavia replica.
On most ships of this periode are ther no ropes on the bowsprit (about 80% without and 10% with). These ropes are therefore not applied on the model.

The fore mast is in front of the forecastle, as can be seen on most ships of this time, an underlay for deck planks has already been installed here.
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This drawing is one of the very few examples where the mast is in the fore castle   (bad example !:default_wallbash:).

 

A first test

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Construction and painting

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