michael mott Posted January 3, 2018 Author #541 Posted January 3, 2018 1 hour ago, druxey said: I'd be inclined to show the correct house flag and ensign rather than the presumed replacements. Otherwise you'll continue to confuse future folk looking at the model! Druxey that makes sense. As the ship is depicted in a static mode and the Albertic, and not the Ohio coming into a specific country. It would seem correct then to show the white star house flag at the masthead of the aft mast and the red ensign on the stern post. I would be comfortable doing that. Michael Chasseur, druxey, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Jim Lad Posted January 3, 2018 #542 Posted January 3, 2018 Red ensign would be the best bet unless there is specific information about White Star and the Naval Reserve, Michael. John michael mott, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote
michael mott Posted January 3, 2018 Author #543 Posted January 3, 2018 Thanks John. Michael thibaultron 1 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
Mark Pearse Posted January 8, 2018 #544 Posted January 8, 2018 Real silk is destroyed by UV light, it will literally fall apart - as you found. popeye the sailor, thibaultron and mtaylor 3 Quote completed 1:12 28' Ranger type yacht, scratch build - COMPLETED 1:12 20' 1930 open sailing boat, half model, scratch built - COMPLETED 1:12 24' Ranger type yacht, scratch build
michael mott Posted January 8, 2018 Author #545 Posted January 8, 2018 Mark thank you for your comment and for the visit, I am waiting for the Silkspan which I understand will not fall apart when treated with the acrylic medium. Michael mtaylor, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
bensid54 Posted January 8, 2018 #546 Posted January 8, 2018 I realize this repair is way out of my league but I do have a suggestion that someone likely mentioned. Bolt the display to the table and bolt the table to the floor, that's it that's my two bits worth now I'll sit quietly and watch the progress. thibaultron, popeye the sailor, Chasseur and 2 others 5 Quote
michael mott Posted January 8, 2018 Author #547 Posted January 8, 2018 Hello Ben I have recommended to the client that they display the Model in a way that prevents the patrons from being able to move the cabinetry in any way. Michael Chasseur, thibaultron and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
SJSoane Posted January 11, 2018 #548 Posted January 11, 2018 Hi Michael, I don't know, if the patrons could tip it again, you could stay working on this for a long time to come!🙂 Mark thibaultron and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Current build: HMS Bellona 74, ca. 1760, 1:64 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/196-hms-bellona-by-sjsoane-scale-164-1760-as-designed/
bensid54 Posted January 11, 2018 #549 Posted January 11, 2018 For me overkill is best with something like that beauty. thibaultron 1 Quote
colinmaclock Posted January 11, 2018 #550 Posted January 11, 2018 Mott old boy, I appears you are coming along nicely with the restoration of the 'Albertic". You are a master of jigs and tool improvisation, the two important things you taught me 49 years ago! But I understand when the undertaking of professional model ship restoration sometimes reduces your profit margin to something like 15cents and hour, I've been there! Cheers. tadheus, mtaylor, Chasseur and 12 others 15 Quote
michael mott Posted January 11, 2018 Author #551 Posted January 11, 2018 14 hours ago, colinmaclock said: 15cents and hour Luxury, At bottom of lake all we got was 10 cents per hour! Hi Colin I couldn't resist the Monty Python allusion. I hear what you are saying, I did not have any doubts that this was basically going to be a labour of love and not a commercial endeavour. the model in your picture looks like the Princess Marguerite? is this a new project or an older one? Michael hexnut, mtaylor, Jack12477 and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
colinmaclock Posted January 11, 2018 #552 Posted January 11, 2018 Hi Michael, Yes, this was the TEV Princess Marguerite. The restoration required taking nearly all the super structure off and start from there. It was an unfinished model to begin with so it made that part easier. It had no details like stanchions, railings, rigging and anchors etc. plus the davits and lifeboats needed overhauling. The fenestration needed framing and all areas of the hull and decks required repainting and refinishing. The model was 5' 6'' in length and built with yellow cedar strip on frame and considered a primitive, although a high end primitive. The chap who originally built it was an engineer on the original Princess Marguerite that was torpedoed off Malta in the 2nd WW and was a chief engineer on the Marguerite II. robdurant, jud, druxey and 14 others 17 Quote
michael mott Posted January 13, 2018 Author #553 Posted January 13, 2018 Colin, thanks for the information, looks like you did a fantastic job. Michael Omega1234, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
bensid54 Posted January 14, 2018 #554 Posted January 14, 2018 Colin most people that are not modellers would consider your workshop one of a pack rat. I must admit I am guilty of the same sort of housekeeping, but like you I know where everything is! Nice job on the boat by the way. popeye the sailor, Omega1234 and thibaultron 3 Quote
michael mott Posted January 29, 2018 Author #555 Posted January 29, 2018 Time keeps just slipping by, I received the Silkspan last week and so will be able to see how it works with both the printing method and the watercolor this week. I ordered all three thicknesses, so now I will be able to make a choice regarding the best thickness for this scale and for any flags in the future. I likely have enough now for the foreseeable future. michael cog, thibaultron, popeye the sailor and 8 others 11 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted January 29, 2018 #556 Posted January 29, 2018 Michael: what was your source for the SlikSpan, please? popeye the sailor and thibaultron 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
colinmaclock Posted January 29, 2018 #557 Posted January 29, 2018 On 2017-12-14 at 8:47 AM, michael mott said: Druxey thanks for the clarification on the top. After a lot of tries with the various threads I am leaning towards the off white Guttermann C Ne 50 the colour match is close enough I think I just need to deal with the fuzz that was not apparent until I looked at the close up picture. so no work with coloring at least for this area, I take notice of the issue with the tea though Druxey, so thanks for that. Here is the first attempt, I have a whole new appreciation for all you folk who rig a three master. I don't know how you do it! The line on the left is the Guttermann The top line is original the falls are mine Michael Michael, I usually run a small flame quickly along the line to remove the "fuzz". A bic lighter at a low setting works. Careful not do this with poly, it will melt. Only use this method on cotton,hemp or linen threads. Weak tea may bleach out with time, I would recommend a very diluted water base stain. Chasseur, KeithAug, popeye the sailor and 4 others 7 Quote
colinmaclock Posted January 29, 2018 #558 Posted January 29, 2018 On 2018-01-02 at 8:53 AM, michael mott said: Hi Colin Happy new year to you Sir. Colin I have just finished reading a a fair bit of information regarding the ship and shipping lines that are associated with this model. Turns out that it was a rather interesting. source information from Wikipedia 1. keel laid in Germany in 1914 2. halted construction during WW1 3. launched in 1920 as München 4. handed over to the British as a war reparation before entering service 5. she was immediately sold to the Royal Mail Steam Packet Company 6. She was renamed the Ohio and began service in 1923 7. in 1927 she was sold to the White Star Line , and renamed the Albertic 8. she served the north Atlantic route between Britain and Canada from 1927 until 1930 9. The Albertic was laid up in the River Clyde 10. she was eventually broken up for scrap in japan in 1934 One of the things i am curious about are the flags that were on the model, the masthead flag on the foremast although almost completely faded to white appears to have been an American flag the one at the masthead of the aft mast was the disintegrating blue flak of the white stare line, although the white star lines official flag appears to have been red The flag on the small staff off the aft mast was a very faded blue ensign and the flag on the stern flag post is a red ensign that does not appear to be of the correct proportions My guess is that all these flags have been put on this model during various repairs by well meaning people to make it look "good" I somehow doubt that this combination would have been carried out by Bassett Lowke, but I could be completely wrong in my hypothesis. What to Do? Michael Michael, A number of years ago I worked on a water damaged builders model of the Carmania. Upon close inspection of the name plate I could see where a larger nameplate was there before. Those faint impressions revealed the name; Royal George. mtaylor, druxey, Captain Poison and 7 others 10 Quote
michael mott Posted January 29, 2018 Author #559 Posted January 29, 2018 Druxey, Great Hobbies was the source, it was not expensive either, I ordered it online and it came to the store in Edmonton where I picked it up and paid for it Thanks for the tip Colin. Michael druxey, EdT, SJSoane and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted January 30, 2018 #560 Posted January 30, 2018 Thank you, Michael. My local hobby store has closed and the other store I occasionally went to no longer stocks SilkSpan. popeye the sailor and thibaultron 2 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
EdT Posted January 30, 2018 #561 Posted January 30, 2018 I checked your source. $3 for 6 sq ft is pretty tough to beat - and a lot less than I thought for this stuff. Can't imagine that the shipping is much. Thanks, Micheal. Ed popeye the sailor, BANYAN, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote All EdT posted material Copyright 2016 Edward J Tosti Young America - extreme clipper 1853 Young America POB Version Modeling the Extreme Clipper Young America Vol 1 1:60 HMS Naiad 1797 The Naiad Frigate Vol I The Naiad Frigate Vol II1:96 Victory
michael mott Posted January 30, 2018 Author #562 Posted January 30, 2018 Luckily for me the city has a great hobbies outlet there was no shipping cost $11cdn for all three sheets. I went to pick it up. Michael cog, Chasseur, thibaultron and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
mdulaney Posted March 3, 2018 #563 Posted March 3, 2018 On 1/11/2018 at 10:42 AM, colinmaclock said: Hi Michael, Yes, this was the TEV Princess Marguerite. The restoration required taking nearly all the super structure off and start from there. It was an unfinished model to begin with so it made that part easier. It had no details like stanchions, railings, rigging and anchors etc. plus the davits and lifeboats needed overhauling. The fenestration needed framing and all areas of the hull and decks required repainting and refinishing. The model was 5' 6'' in length and built with yellow cedar strip on frame and considered a primitive, although a high end primitive. The chap who originally built it was an engineer on the original Princess Marguerite that was torpedoed off Malta in the 2nd WW and was a chief engineer on the Marguerite II. As it happens, a few of the windows survive and I have access to them, if you need measurements. thibaultron, mtaylor, Mirabell61 and 3 others 6 Quote
michael mott Posted March 26, 2018 Author #564 Posted March 26, 2018 Well hello all, I have been very busy with a number of non model related tasks for the last couple of months. But I have picked up the tiny tools once again. I will need to a bit of catching up by the looks of things on the forum. It feels good to be back at the workbench. The bridge elements that were knocked off are now replaced it took a bit of fiddling to get the 10BA brass screw back into its hole probably a shift on the superstructure that occurred when it fell. Then the next part was re pinned and glued the paint will also need some touch up. The next sequence is for the stairs that go from the passenger deck to the lifeboat-deck Have to go for supper I will explain the soldering next. Michael tadheus, hexnut, BANYAN and 14 others 17 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted March 27, 2018 #565 Posted March 27, 2018 A masterful restoration of that ladder! Good to see you back at work on Albertic, Michael. Mentioning a BA threaded bolt takes me back.... I still have a pre-war supply of BA nuts and bolts in brass from my father neatly stored in old throat lozenge tins.... But, I digress. dvm27, albert, cog and 3 others 6 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
bensid54 Posted March 27, 2018 #566 Posted March 27, 2018 Don't mean to change the subject, but what is that very nice setup you have for holding parts. Did you make it yourself? thibaultron, Omega1234 and mtaylor 3 Quote
michael mott Posted March 27, 2018 Author #567 Posted March 27, 2018 Thanks Druxey, The glass was one of those ideas that I woke up with I was wondering how to hold the tiny tab that had been broken off. The key was to sort out how to hold the ladder and be able to soft solder the broken bit back on, realizing that the solder would not stick to the glass (color slide glass) I cut a small strip and sandwiched the good tab on the stair with the glass sticking out just enough to use a soft iron wire hold down in the hole that was already in the tab. turned down the shank on one of my Eclipse chucks to 3/16 so that it would fit into the third hand. Because of the control with being able to lock one part in position then bring the other part or tool up to it once it was set in place I used a very small 00 paint brush to pick up a sliver of solder with the flux as the agent to pick up the solder one it was placed I used the small nozzle on the hot air soldering station and played it over the joint worked like a charm. The duz-all flux is a self cleaning flux, and since the joint was a fractured one in brass I did not need to do much prep work. After washing it off I matched up the paint with some Humbrol and model masters I am so glad I made this bit of gear I use it just about every day when I am working on model stuff. I added a new clamp it is made of Castello same as the smaller wood ones but an inch square. it is really useful for working with sheet especially silver and gold because the jaws are wood they don't mark up the metal. Here is a shot of the latest addition to the clamps Ben Yes I made the holding device there are quite a few different set ups that I have used in this thread log it was this unit that inspired my making a few for the members here. There is a thread about them in the tools thread Here is the production model that the members have purchased. Back to the bench in the morning. Michael bensid54, tadheus, dvm27 and 10 others 13 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
druxey Posted March 27, 2018 #568 Posted March 27, 2018 And a very nice bit of kit that third hand is! The large wood clamp is a nice add-on. But what, pray tell, is the masons' symbol lying on the bench? Another repair job? thibaultron, dvm27, Omega1234 and 2 others 5 Quote Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
michael mott Posted March 27, 2018 Author #569 Posted March 27, 2018 Hi Druxey a modification to the original set of tools adding some gold elements, because it was a 100 anniversary project. Michael thibaultron, mtaylor and popeye the sailor 3 Quote Current builds Bristol Pilot Cutter 1:8; Skipjack 19 foot Launch 1:8; Herreshoff Buzzards Bay 14 1:8 Other projects Pilot Cutter 1:500 ; Maria, 1:2 Now just a memory Future model Gill Smith Catboat Pauline 1:8 Finished projects A Bassett Lowke steamship Albertic 1:100 Anything you can imagine is possible, when you put your mind to it.
KeithAug Posted March 27, 2018 #570 Posted March 27, 2018 Good to see you back Michael - its always worrying when old timers disappear for a while!!!!. mtaylor, popeye the sailor, thibaultron and 1 other 4 Quote Keith Current Build:- Cangarda (Steam Yacht) - Scale 1:24 Previous Builds:- Schooner Germania (Nova) - Scale 1:36 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/19848-schooner-germania-nova-by-keithaug-scale-136-1908-2011/ Schooner Altair by KeithAug - Scale 1:32 - 1931 http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/12515-schooner-altair-by-keithaug-scale-132-1931/?p=378702 J Class Endeavour by KeithAug - Amati - Scale 1:35 - 1989 after restoration. http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/10752-j-class-endeavour-by-keithaug-amati-scale-135-1989-after-restoration/?p=325029 Other Topics Nautical Adventures http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/13727-nautical-adventures/?p=422846
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