Santisima Trinidad by md1400cs – FINISHED - OcCre - 1/90 - cross-section - bashed

[md1400cs]

Hi Mates just setting up the log, assuming I did it correctly...

[CaptainSteve]

I'm claiming my spot in the front row ...

 

[Heronguy]

I have this kit on the shelf. Show me the way!

[EJ_L]

Reporting for duty Michael! Ready for the next adventure!

[md1400cs]

Hi Mates,

Having learned so much about rigging, gun carriages and so on with the Vasa – this one seemed like a better next fit.

 

Intend to bash this one as well.

1) Show lower, upper and weather deck framing details by leaving out some of the deck planks from each deck.

2) Will try my hand at coppering the hull

3) Scratch build much of what the kit provided.

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 Kit seems to be well thought out. I would consider this one (to me) as a basic to intermediate skill level kit. Included carriages and gun port frames and doors are pre-made of metal. The subject is certainly interesting. And its just a bit of the ship haha

 

I like the included dark timbers, not so liking the white woods, - prob. won’t use in any case.

Instructions are simple, and the mast and rigging sheets are excellent. I have no intentions of adding running rigging with sails (well for now anyway) haha

So: first steps are to add a face to the front facing frames.  So a first thank you;

 

Denis (Popeye the Sailor) – I saw you write  the word Veneer on your current Mississippi boat build - that  struck me as a perfectly simple way  to add details to the front facing frames. So ordered some veneer woods (without glue backing) from eBay.  Had NEVER thought of this as a perfect addition for detailing certain areas.  Will be perfect for the face of the front frame

 

Will also use Longridge as a reference – close enough I would think. That said, oak timbers seem hard to find. I don’t have a belt sander planking type machine. No big deal it will only be for the keel – Veneers are coming for the side framing work.

 

Welcome aboard mates, thanks to those of you already on-board – sweet indeed.

 

OK Now I need to catch up to all of your builds…..Have fallen behind

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

[BLACK VIKING]

Pulling up a chair for this one Michael. Great minds think alike as this one is the my next build after the Sol .

Martyn

[popeye the sailor]

you didn't waste any time!   on another journey I see........well...I'll just have to tag along     I don't recall,  calling it veneer,  but if you think about it,  using thin strip for planking,  and second planking,  is pretty much the same process {except it's not adhesive ready}.   it's perfect if plywood edging can be seen,  or if a lesser wood is used for primary planking.  I'm sure that thin strip of exotic woods can be found and used to enhance your model....may even cost you less   

 

I wish you well on another fantastic journey   

[Baker]

A build log from Michael
Always educational and interesting,I follow

[CaptainSteve]

On 3/15/2018 at 4:50 AM, md1400cs said:

Intend to bash this one as well.

 

Not sure if your kit includes much metal-work, Michael. But on another cross-section build (HMS Victory, Cristikc), I noticed the modeller had made brass footings for his deck supports. Quite a nice touch, I thought.

Edited March 15, 2018 by CaptainSteve

[Tigersteve]

Yes- I’m in too. 

Steve

Edited March 16, 2018 by Tigersteve

[md1400cs]

Welcome aboard mates,

 

Martyn: nice - you will prob. finish your superb ship build before I finish this little cross section. This cross section will be an excellent follow up for you indeed.

Capt. Steve: Oh yes! those are very nice. Started looking around and discovered that they come with the kit. Tried to find some as Corel fittings, but no luck. They’re on my mind – thanks for the idea and link.

I’ll ask Cristikc for the part number and see if Corel would send me some. They, Corel, have been so kind sending me extra metal parts for the Vasa. Though I did indicate that I had purchased it from Model Expo.

 

Yesterday I placed a large order of various fittings with Cornwall in the UK. I will start in earnest when the shipment, and my veneers arrive. Oh they carry Oak strips of various sizes !!

 

Cheers,

 

[Vivian Galad]

Hey! I'll be picking up my seat along! Think there's a chair right there. 

 

Nice to see a new project ongoing! I'll be following this one too, If u don't mind. 

 

Love cross sections. 

[md1400cs]

Hi Mates,

 Vivian, welcome aboard as well – so nice of you to want to follow along.

 Got the veneer from eBay so first steps have started. Self-explanatory – so will keep it brief.

 Added notations within –  A good start –

 

PS: The veneer is really working out. It is, however, very fragile – hates, scissors, razor blades and my fingers. But once I got the hang of it we got along well, so far haha

 

Cheers,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[md1400cs]

Hi Mates,

 

Finishing up the front face of the frames. Pics speak for themselves. so again brief here.

 

PS: I really liked working with the veneers - for this bit - much easier than actually building all of the frames segments. Glad that its only the first one 

 

 

Oops sorry about the last pic, the text was to say; need to think about deck hight, gun carriage or not, and how to incorporate the false vertical frames and how many?

What kind of wood (they should be oak -hhmmm) 

 

[AntonyUK]

Hi Michael.

Very nice start with extra detail on the facing frame. Gonna follow along on this one☺

Having a viewing hole is brill But bear in mind that the frames would have been much closer together and not so wide( from outside to inside)

Good for you not using the supplied deck bases.

 

Wishing you smooth sailing.

Regards Antony.

[CaptainSteve]

AntonyUK makes a good point, Michael. Perhaps your "viewing hole" could have an unplanked section with some false frames set closer together than on the rest of the model. This could then open up to display the detail that you wish to show.

[popeye the sailor]

there might be a draw back to this though......you would see this looking through the model.   you may need to do this on both sides,  throughout the model,  for it to be effective.   it would be a very nice touch though      great idea of veneering the outside surface of the frame....are you going to cover the back one too?

[md1400cs]

Hi Mates,

 

Thanks for the likes and suggestions – Always appreciated.

 

Anthony, Captain Steve: thanks – yes I understand that many, close together, frames will be needed. Actually that was my intension for leaving some wall areas bare. I have seen, and followed some amazing scratch builds – they were my idea for adding this small added internal view especially since I will leave some of the deck planks open as well.

 

Denis: Noted – Yes your idea makes sense – but that said the interior is very claustrophobic. So I think that a small – upfront – view is the best shot. I don’t want to spend too much time adding details that are completely lost – as I did with the Vasa. Also this is a much simpler project. I may, however, do some open weather deck side wall continuing the closely placed verticals. Thanks for the idea of doing more open areas. 

 

Regarding the back frames – no I will not veneer them – I plan on building a case just like Jack’s from his log for this same cross section. Perfect case IMO The Wood shop that made my Vasa base will make this case.

 

Jack.aubrey

https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1200-santìsima-trinidad-by-jackaubrey-finished-de-agostini-scale-190-cross-section/&

 

Page 4  (thanks Jack if you see this post)  I hope that you don’t mind that I posted from your log. Also Jack following your build made me want to do this one.

 

Now working on the outer and inner keels.....

 

Cheers

 

[md1400cs]

Minor update;

 

Finished the two sections of keel. As I noted earlier used Longridge as my guide. Pics speak for themselves.

I have a couple of questions for the experts within the photos

Regards,

 

                                                                                  

[BLACK VIKING]

Superb start Michael, l think I will be pinching a few ideas of you when I start mine 

Martyn

[popeye the sailor]

I like the look too,  but most do the tree nail look.   it wouldn't do to pull them out now.....perhaps if you were to paint them flat black?   the joint pieces going up the sides could use a couple as well.   this is going to be a tall model!   very nice  

[Jim Rogers]

Love the pins.

[md1400cs]

Hi mates

 

Thanks for the likes and comments. I pulled four brass out - added black nylon fishing line, but preferred the brass pins.

I agree Jim love these as well.

 

 

Now started working on the inner planks. Longridge, again my guide.

 

[EJ_L]

Looking great. I'm glad to see that you are putting in all the extra little details. They always enhance the model and even when they are not seen, they enhance understanding of how the ships were constructed and equipped.

[usedtosail]

Great start. I built this model a few years ago and loved it. I am looking forward to following along.

[paulsutcliffe]

Very nice work Michael, don't forget the limber boards were only a couple of feet long with holes in so they could be lifted out to clear underneath not full length as you are showing currently 

Regards

Paul

[md1400cs]

Paul,

Thank You. Learning as I am going along. Went to Google University to look up limber boards, Now I understand thanks again,

will cut them up a bit.

Please mates, anytime -  I so appreciate your advice as I go along. still learning  

Such a fun hobby indeed !

 

[AntonyUK]

Hi Michael.

Very nice mods to the kit.

Another build here on MSW. It's the victory but it has some real good ideas and looks nice.  https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/18020-hms-victory-cross-section-by-ferarr-198/

Note .. The Lumber boards had slots or holes in to facatate removal to clean the Lumber passage.

And yes I like the brass pins as well. Gives it a bit of character.

This is turning out to be a masterpiece of the Santisima Trinidad. Well done for adding such fine details.

Gonna make sure I follow along with this build.

 

Regards Antony.

 

Edited March 24, 2018 by AntonyUK

[md1400cs]

Anthony,

 

Thanks - again - for sharing YES ferarr's Victory is a masterpiece. The amount of replicated details are a work of art.

As Martyn was so kind to post a few posts above - Well it will be a "double pinch" because I will study this amazing Victory cross-section

adding some of what I will be capable of pinching form ferarr's log (I did post a note on his log (:-) )

 

PS: .. The Lumber boards had slots or holes in to facilitate removal to clean the Lumber passage. NOTED thanks

 

Cheers,

 

 

[NMBROOK]

I am bit late to the party Michael,great startI look forward to following your progress including refinement and alteration to what is supplied in the standard kit.

Kind Regards

Nigel

Edited March 25, 2018 by NMBROOK