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Posted

had no idea you had a scratch build going.........will have to poke in for a looky! :) 

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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  • 2 months later...
Posted

No progress in the build.
But I found this instructive video on You tube. 
 

From part 1

 

To part 10

 

Posted

His may be brighter and flashier than your build Patrick but I think I like your rendition better. His is just for looks, you have added authenticity and accuracy to yours.

Lou

 

Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence

Currant builds:

Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold)

Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral)

1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin)

Currant research/scratchbuild:

Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes

Non ship build log:

1/35th UH-1H Huey

 

  • 4 months later...
Posted

Here we go again.

The Bounty build is restarted, If everything goes according to plan, she will be ready this winter

The yards are painted. And now i can start with the rigging.
I had the idea of adding sails. But since my base plate looks like the bottom of some kind of dry dock this is not really appropriate.
A ship with full sails in dry dock ... not good. So no sails or maybe furled sails.

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Welcome back

Posted

A small update on the furled sails.

Attempt 1 (and 2) with different paper tissue and CA glue. Wasn't what it was supposed to be.
I got good results with it in military modeling, but for furled sails, unsuitable.
Also discovered that the brown color of the yards did not match this model, so they are painted black now.

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Attempt 3
sails sewn from cloth.
1 test model done.  This attempt has worked out reasonably well, but not quite what it should be.

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Posted

Are you trying to make furled sails or clewed-up sails ?  Your 'attempt 3' shows actually a clewed up sail ... I would also check out how sails were 'bent' to the yards at that time, befor jackstays came into use. The thread you used seems to be a bit oversized for the purpose.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

 

I found this technique on you tube.

This is the first test of the third attempt. The intention is to think about necessary improvements.

And yes,  the thread is indeed too thick.

And now i know what clewed up sails are 👍

Posted

Personally, I would use a clear varnish or sanding filler (both organic solvent-based !) to stiffen the material - a dab of thinner allows you to re-arrange the sail even after the varnish has dried. CA or acrylics cannot be easily softened without destroying everything.

 

Also at this small scale, real cloth is most likely too thick and coarse. For set sails the lightest silk-span might do, but for clewed-up or furled sails tissue paper is a better option. In the case of furled sails, you may also find that a full-size sail will result in too much sail on the yard, just shorten it a bit until the amount of sail looks right - this is because even tissue is way over-scale.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

Next try

Sewn sails are indeed out of scale at 1/110.
Back to the 1st method with paper tissue. This time not kept in shape with CA glue but with diluted PVA glue. And the furled sails are easier than the cluwed sails

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First footropes were applied. A metal wire first folded into shape

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Then the sail and the ropes.  i think this methode looks better and fits more this scale.

 

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The "how to build" will follow later (if it becomes this method).

Constructive ideas are still welcome. 
And, if someting is not right, please say so.  Military modeling : years of experience. Sails, furled or cluwed, are unexplored territory for me.

Posted

Beginning to look the thing !

 

As I said earlier, one should ascertain, whether the sails were furled underneath the spar or above it. The latter is probably associated with jack-stays, but I am not sure, that these were already used on the BOUNTY.

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

From easthetical point of view and given te scale ( 1/110) just wonderful !

Historical accurate ?  I have no clue ... you know the saying : Never let the truth go away with a good story.

Kind regards

 

Christian

 

"The original always beats the copy"

(supportive statement)

Posted

Patrick, I'm enjoying your build. The toned down colour scheme is a welcome, perhaps more realistic change to what we usually get wit most 'Bounty's'. Your furled sails look fine to me; I'm pretty certain they are correct for the period.

Looking forward to the completion of your little adventure.

  • 2 weeks later...
Posted

Thanks for all the nice comments and helpful info. 
Much appreciated 👍

 

The sails and footropes attached on the yards  The how I made them, step by step.

 

A plan with the general idea of the dimensions

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The basic material, not the normal papertissue but a slightly harder version.

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The PVA glue diluted with water with a drop of brown paint

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Cut to size

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fold

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Moisten with the PVA solution

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Shape with tweezers and fingers (then let 24h dry )

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The footropes, copper wire bent in to shape

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4 holes, drilled in the yard. Here the copper wire goes through and is then glued with CA glue.

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footrope ready and the part of the sail that will be glued to the yard is cut flat with ascissors

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The rope that normally attaches the sail to the yard.

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The sail glued on the yard wit CA glue.20201016_190854.thumb.jpg.6dc6488234ec971f53842faadb3ad510.jpg

A very light wash with thinned mat black (In the picture it is slightly darker than reality)

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The sails are not always in the right shape from the first time. But there is plenty of paper and diluted PVA glue.
Not a good result the first time? Throw it away and make a new one.

 

To be continued

 

 

 

Posted

Smal update

The sails are finished and i started with the rigging.

 

The aim is to apply as much rigging as possible. 

Since I am not an expert in 18th century rigging, there may be something here and there that is not entirely correcty

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Thanks for following

Posted (edited)

the "tissue" is from a roll of paper used in factories,garages. To dry hands after washing, clean up oil or dirt, ect.

low quality paper, but suited for furled sails.

Edited by Backer
Posted

And received 2 things today.
a good
A few weeks ago I asked through the Revell website if I couldn't buy extra rope from them. For the extra finishing of the Bounty
A reply came pretty quickly that they were going to send this.
And today, a package (And without a bill attached)

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a bad
I received a positive result about my corona test 😷

Fortunately, the symptoms are mild  and hopefully soon forgotten. 

 

So a lot of free time for rigging.
But I am tired quickly

Posted

Ooops, thinks are going mad in Western Europe. We have been in voluntary semi-confinement as much as possible since the February, knock on wood ... good luck and speedy recovery !

wefalck

 

panta rhei - Everything is in flux

 

 

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Posted

Sorry to hear of the positive test results.  I hope your symptoms remain mild.  Take care of yourself.

Ryland

 

Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society

            - Ship Model Society of New Jersey

               - Nautical Research Guild

       

 

Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat

Completed Build - Medway Longboat

Posted

Thanks everyone.
We have been very careful since March this year. 

You can't enter my workplace (factory) without a temperature control. Disinfect everything, mouth masks, etc.
And yet infected at work. 

 

Advice from Backer : If possible, avoid all unnecessary contact.
corona can be everywhere

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