Bedford Posted July 17, 2019 Share #1 Posted July 17, 2019 Well I have finished building the 1:1 boat so now I'm doing the model. The plans are drawn at 1:8 scale so I'm going 1 to 1 off them which is very convenient. I aim to make it as much as the original is made as is practical, including using the same timbers from left overs. The exception to this is the transom because the original is rosewood but the grain is so open it was barely usable at 1:1 so I'm going to use mahogany instead. When I met Mark Pearse a while back I mentioned that I might do this and he was very keen that I should so here you are Mark. The plans have all the lines I need so it was pretty easy to draw it up plus the understanding of having already built it goes a long way. Landrotten Highlander, Omega1234, Retired guy and 14 others 17 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted July 17, 2019 Share #2 Posted July 17, 2019 What a lovely boat: The perfect daysailer. I am looking forward to see how you will build that model. Yves popeye the sailor, Bedford and mtaylor 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted July 18, 2019 Share #3 Posted July 18, 2019 She'll make a brilliant model, mate! John popeye the sailor and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted July 18, 2019 Author Share #4 Posted July 18, 2019 Thanks Jim, I'm sure it will and at the scale of 1:8 detail should be easier than normal. She'll be one of very few models with sitka spruce spars I'd imagine. The planking will be interesting because the full size model had them cnc router cut to shape but I'm going to have to take the lines from the hull as I go in this case and they are some interesting shapes! Omega1234, Mirabell61, popeye the sailor and 2 others 5 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.L. Posted July 19, 2019 Share #5 Posted July 19, 2019 That is the kind of ship model that I like. I register to follow. Mirabell61, Bedford, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 19, 2019 Share #6 Posted July 19, 2019 lovely clinker style boat you did very well in making the lines so subtle......gives her some character. so, is this a plug your creating? pleased to follow along mtaylor 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share #7 Posted July 20, 2019 Popeye, thanks for the compliment. I am building her again exactly (almost) the way I built the original. The building form shown is a 1/8th scale representation of the original and will be scrapped once the hull is finished and righted for fit out. Each individual plank land is cut into the molds to aid correct fitment. I even have a sheet of 0.8mm plywood on order for the planks. Omega1234, KeithAug, Timmo and 4 others 7 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted July 20, 2019 Author Share #8 Posted July 20, 2019 A little more done, this time I steam bent the apron while the original is laminated. I've joined the keelson to the apron and started fairing the keelson to accept the garboards but here I have to stop because I'm waiting on a sheet of 0.8mm plywood from which I'll laminate 2 layers and then a layer of mahogany to make the transom before I can finish fitting and fairing the keelson in preparation for the planking which will be done with the 0.8mm plywood. GrandpaPhil, Retired guy, hexnut and 11 others 14 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted July 20, 2019 Share #9 Posted July 20, 2019 A start on the model itself! One giant step for mankind (to be topical ). John mtaylor and aviaamator 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted July 21, 2019 Author Share #10 Posted July 21, 2019 Quite appropriate John On that, when Neil Armstrong died I worked for a car dealer, in the workshop. In the lunch room I saw the headline on the paper and said "I saw that man walk on the moon" crickets, tumbleweeds. I was the only one old enough to have seen it 😕 mtaylor 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmo Posted July 24, 2019 Share #11 Posted July 24, 2019 Nice Tammie Norrie there Bedford. love the lines of an Oughtred boat. I'm sure the model will be just as fine. Bedford and mtaylor 2 Quote Current build Enterprise class 28-gun frigate 1774 - scratchbuild 1:36 RC Completed builds Cruizer class brig - scratchbuild 1:36 RC HM Bomb Vessel Granado - Caldercraft HM Cutter Sherbourne - Caldercraft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 7, 2019 Author Share #12 Posted August 7, 2019 I had a set back with this project. I'm guessing that the heating inside caused the building "spine" to warp a bit so everything went out of whack. I walked away from it for a while! Hopefully the problem is now solved by using different materials and approach. Everything is now clamped and aligned very nicely.. Rather than removing the molds to add glue and re-position them I will cut several small blocks and just glue them into the right angles in the jig so it all stays aligned. hexnut, KeithAug, ccoyle and 6 others 9 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 7, 2019 Share #13 Posted August 7, 2019 Good solution, mate. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 8, 2019 Author Share #14 Posted August 8, 2019 Now that I have the molds sorted I've been able to attach the transom and the keelson is now glued to the transom with the same strengthening knee I decided to add to the full size boat. Retired guy, mtaylor, G.L. and 5 others 8 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 9, 2019 Author Share #15 Posted August 9, 2019 Port garboard is on! I knew I had drawings of the strakes at a small size to show how they went together. As luck would have it the drawing is at 50% of the build size so I just had to double the size and tweek them a bit to make them fit, well the first one anyway. The ply at 0.8mm is easily cut with good scissors which makes life easy and means I can cut the strakes inside, no sawdust! wefalck, GrandpaPhil, hexnut and 7 others 10 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted August 9, 2019 Share #16 Posted August 9, 2019 It always feels good to get that first plank fitted - almost like the model has now been properly started. John mtaylor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share #17 Posted August 10, 2019 Yes John, it was the same with the full size version. An occasion that called for single malt in that case! mtaylor 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvm27 Posted August 10, 2019 Share #18 Posted August 10, 2019 So the clinker effect is created by paring back the next section of frame to the notch? I’m used to seeing the top of the plank shaved back to receive the bottom of the next plank. Is this how you built the 1:1 version? Seems easier. mtaylor 1 Quote GregwebsiteAdmiralty Modelsmoderator Echo Cross-section buildAdmiralty Models Cross-section BuildFinished buildPegasus, 1776, cross-sectionCurrent buildSpeedwell, 1752 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 10, 2019 Author Share #19 Posted August 10, 2019 (edited) Greg, the 1:1 molds were stepped to locate each strake and give a flat land on the mold for the strake. The lands between strakes were still planed to give a proper mating surface. So if you took a completed boat and pressed a giant profile gauge into it you'd get the shape of the mold if that makes sense. The stepped molds just worked as a guide so all the strakes overlapped by the correct amount etc. It's very hard to replicate at his scale because the ply is only 0.8mm thick so in this case they are more just guide lines to work to. This pic doesn't show it very well because it's of a concave part of the hull and the next strake did fall flush on the garboard at that mold but was then rebated into the garboard as it flowed to the transom. You can see the step for the third strake and a straight edge placed on that land would hit the edge of the second strake so you remove material from the second strake until the straight edge lays flat on the third strake land and fair it to the next mold etc. Edited August 10, 2019 by Bedford GrandpaPhil, oneslim, dvm27 and 6 others 9 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 11, 2019 Author Share #20 Posted August 11, 2019 More progress, both garboards, skeg and keel fitted. On the 1:1 the keel was in 2 pieces joined aft of the centre board slot but on the model it's 1 piece from the fore foot to the transom. I will cut the centre board slot on the mill with a 3mm bit. G.L., Retired guy, wefalck and 5 others 8 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 13, 2019 Author Share #21 Posted August 13, 2019 I found that letting the next plank into the previous one at stem and stern required a fine chisel or miniature shoulder plane. Found a plane online but a bit much $$ and a bit big so I made a chisel from a short length of 1/8" HSS tool steel and it works a treat! Next problem was applying the glue along the length of the plank without it skinning over due to reverse cycle heating, I needed a quicker way to apply it so I made a glue syringe, it's short and fat (the plunger is 10mm diameter) with a 1mm nozzle. The glue goes on very quickly now. Retired guy, kees de mol, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 11 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katoom Posted August 13, 2019 Share #22 Posted August 13, 2019 5 hours ago, Bedford said: I needed a quicker way to apply it so I made a glue syringe, Oh my, of course you made that little beauty instead of buying one! I cannot remember where I came across a quote that seems relevant but I shall paraphrase. "Buying things is for suckers!" Well done, indeed. Bedford and mtaylor 2 Quote Kevin My Introduction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 14, 2019 Author Share #23 Posted August 14, 2019 The beauty of making it is I get exactly what I want. It is short and fat so it fits entirely in my hand and I just have to apply slight pressure as I run along the joint rather than a long contraption that requires greater muscle movement and is therefore less accurate. mtaylor 1 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyG Posted August 15, 2019 Share #24 Posted August 15, 2019 A 1/8th scale clinker dinghy! Perfect size, wonderful subject. Is there something in the air? 😀 Andy, a big fan of Oughtred's boats Quote Swallow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 15, 2019 Author Share #25 Posted August 15, 2019 1 hour ago, AndyG said: Is there something in the air? 😀 Yeah, the mains'l and jib when it's warm enough to go sailing! Meanwhile I've now got the model of my boat half planked! kees de mol, GrandpaPhil, mtaylor and 9 others 12 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share #26 Posted August 20, 2019 Well the whisky plank is on, sadly no whisky in the house. G.L., Retired guy, mcpwilk and 13 others 16 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share #27 Posted September 1, 2019 More progress, the exterior of the hull is finished and is ready for paint. I have to work out a way to turn 5mm brass rod into 3mm "D" profile to create the rubbing strips. yvesvidal, KeithAug, Siggi52 and 10 others 13 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.L. Posted September 1, 2019 Share #28 Posted September 1, 2019 A really nice hull. The captain looks very satisfied. mtaylor, Bedford, pythagoras and 1 other 4 Quote G.L. Current projects: Oostends schipje (Ostend shrimper) - scale 1:20 Clipper d'Argenteuil - POF - scale 1/15 - SMALL Completed projects: Norwegian Whale Boat - POF - scale 1/10 - SMALL Anatomy of a boat by G.L. - scale 1/10 - POF - SMALL Day gaff sailing boat with center board - FINISHED - SMALL - scale 1/10 Cross section fishing smack - FINISHED -scale 1:20HMS Triton cross section - FINISHED - Scale 1:24 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bedford Posted September 1, 2019 Author Share #29 Posted September 1, 2019 (edited) Yeah, Iain designs beautiful boats and having built it in 1:1 it's pretty easy to replicate at 1:8, they just go together so nicely. The captain comes down to the shipyard to cast his eye over her every now and then Edited September 2, 2019 by Bedford fix typo mtaylor and G.L. 2 Quote Ships built :- Schooner for Port Jackson Thermoplylae Bluenose II Full size Tammie Norrie dinghy 1:8 scale Miss Caroline, model of the full size boat I built Under construction :- Royal Caroline, this one is special as it is in memory of my 13 year old daughter, Caroline who passed away in 2005 Miane three masted schooner R/C, scratch build (on hold) Charles W Morgan (on hold) Scratch designed and built R/C Mahogany and Walnut speedboat (on hold) In the que :- S.T. Waratah, maybe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted September 1, 2019 Share #30 Posted September 1, 2019 Just catching up after being away for a while, mate. She's really looking the ant's pants. Great job! John mtaylor, ESF and Bedford 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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