scrubbyj427 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share #271 Posted March 11, 2022 Thanks for the comments and likes guys, I was about to abandon the whole gun rigging process but finally getting one finished the way I wanted it, inspired to me keep going...at the expense of setting back chapter 7 for a very long time. Lol. I’m going to get started on another one soon, hopefully it will get easier. Glenn, I think I understand what you are saying, I’ve seen both examples online. I’ll post a photo of my next one when I start. Would it just be crossed and that’s it? No seizing or smaller line to at all to keep the loop crossed? Would that be standard on a 12pdr? JJ FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 11, 2022 Share #272 Posted March 11, 2022 25 minutes ago, scrubbyj427 said: Would it just be crossed and that’s it? I’m certainly no expert and I’m sure however you want to do it will turnout great. From a model perspective I doubt just crossing it would stay in place, either a small seizing or a dab of CA. Hopefully people smarter than me might have a suggestion. I’d not seen your way before now, which doesn’t mean anything I see something new on this forum all the time. I admire your goal to rig them all, it will look great. FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 11, 2022 Author Share #273 Posted March 11, 2022 34 minutes ago, glbarlow said: Hopefully people smarter than me might have a suggestion. I’d not seen your way before now, which doesn’t mean anything I see something new on this forum all the time. So I’m hoping someone smarter than me chimes in as well! Haha. so after examining a few logs I came up With that method, I mostly borrowed from Fred’s log @jfhealey and From what I could see that is similar to how he did his breech lines. maybe Fred will chime in with some advice? JJ Rustyj, glbarlow and FrankWouts 2 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfhealey Posted March 13, 2022 Share #274 Posted March 13, 2022 As to the breech lines: JJ managed to get 5 or 6 windings beneath the knobbly bit at the back of the barrel (I'm sure I know the name but I'm having a senior moment about it at the moment). I'm seriously impressed with that. I got 1 - and that with a needle and thread. There is much less room there than appears to be the case from JJ's pictures. I shall try harder next time! My only tip, if you are going to rig your guns, is to rig the bolts to the gun rather than the bulkhead. Fixing the rigged bolt into a pre drilled hole in the bulkhead is the work of a moment. Rigging the breeching rope (or the tackle) to an already fixed in bolt is a nightmare. I know this from experience. As to the tackle: I'm sure coiled down tackle is authentic. But was it, I wonder, Sunday best for the Captain's inspection? I can't believe (not that I know a thing about it) that ropes were coiled down like that everyday. On a model I guess it's a matter of what you (unless you are a stickler for historical accuracy) like the look of. "Frapping", by a short head, just looks tidier to me. But lots of you have left your guns un-rigged as of course did Chuck - and you can't really argue with that can you? Other than that I know I have a lot of work to do on my knots and splicing. But for a first go at rigging guns I'm pretty satisfied. All the best everyone. Fred FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 13, 2022 Share #275 Posted March 13, 2022 (edited) Are your ropes crossed and then seized? I’m sooo far from doing guns…. Edited March 13, 2022 by glbarlow FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 13, 2022 Author Share #276 Posted March 13, 2022 I think Chuck described frapping in an earlier post as a method of securing the lines on museum ships so folks don’t trip over the lines while walking the gun decks. as far as the breech lines being cross looped or seized as I have shown, I’m still unsure, which is fine as I have to wait for a bunch of hooks to show up before I continue with hun work. Fred...where did you come up with your breech configuration? Glenn, you’ll be there before you know it, you’ll succumb to the desire to rig them. Lol! glbarlow and FrankWouts 2 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 13, 2022 Share #277 Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, scrubbyj427 said: Glenn, you’ll be there before you know it, you’ll succumb to the desire to rig them Check with me in a about a year 😄 FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillermo Eduardo Madico Posted March 16, 2022 Share #278 Posted March 16, 2022 Hello JJ, Great job! I think you got those at the correct scale. Would you mind sharing the block and rope sizes you used? G FrankWouts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #279 Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 9:04 AM, Guillermo Eduardo Madico said: Hello JJ, Great job! I think you got those at the correct scale. Would you mind sharing the block and rope sizes you used? G Guillermo @Guillermo Eduardo Madico Per Chucks recommendations, this should get you everything you need to rig your guns. i also just ordered a range of photo etched hooks from crafty sailor (3,3.5 and 4mm), I will use whatever fits the best. https://craftysailor.com/collections/fittings/products/hooks?variant=32532830486616 JJ Edwardkenway, FrankWouts and JpR62 3 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 18, 2022 Share #280 Posted March 18, 2022 I hope those hooks work out. I’m all for making our own hooks but the ones needed for cannon rigging would just look out of scale for anything we could practically make. I will vicariously enjoy the rigging watching yours develop 😊. scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guillermo Eduardo Madico Posted March 18, 2022 Share #281 Posted March 18, 2022 Thank you JJ, Much appreciated, G scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #282 Posted March 18, 2022 1 hour ago, glbarlow said: I hope those hooks work out. I’m all for making our own hooks but the ones needed for cannon rigging would just look out of scale for anything we could practically make. I will vicariously enjoy the rigging watching yours develop 😊. Judging by how your guns turned out on cheerful, these will definitely work out. My poor attempt at them can’t even compare to these. Once they are blackened and seized to a block, they will be very convincing. 🤞 glbarlow and FrankWouts 2 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 18, 2022 Author Share #283 Posted March 18, 2022 56 minutes ago, Guillermo Eduardo Madico said: Thank you JJ, Much appreciated, G Looking forward to seeing your guns G, you’re Winnie is looking great! FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunnehi (Don) Posted March 18, 2022 Share #284 Posted March 18, 2022 JJ, I used the Craftysailor hooks on mine and they look great. Don’t remember which size, but just picked the one that looked like the proper scale. Your build looks really nice! Don scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 19, 2022 Author Share #285 Posted March 19, 2022 6 hours ago, Nunnehi (Don) said: JJ, I used the Craftysailor hooks on mine and they look great. Don’t remember which size, but just picked the one that looked like the proper scale. Your build looks really nice! Don Thank you Don, your Winnie is coming along very nice as well. To me it looks like you used the 3.5 or 4mm ones, they do look really nice! Looking forward to their arrival. FrankWouts and Nunnehi (Don) 2 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share #286 Posted March 27, 2022 Two down...22 left to go! The crafty sailor 4mm photoetch hooks were a success so far, except I rigged one tackle backward... won’t make that mistake again. I’m going to try another method to fasten the hook to the block, I think I may have gotten it to close. Other than that, I’m pleased with the results. I’m getting better as I go but still seldom find time to work on my winnie, maybe I’ll schedule a vacation somewhere and pack the model up and go! FrankWouts, Rustyj, CiscoH and 5 others 5 3 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunnehi (Don) Posted March 27, 2022 Share #287 Posted March 27, 2022 Beautifully done, a tutorial on how to rig these properly! Don scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted March 27, 2022 Share #288 Posted March 27, 2022 Very beautiful done and a tutorial howto rig them. Frank. scrubbyj427 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 27, 2022 Share #289 Posted March 27, 2022 (edited) Building this model as we know requires patience and perseverance. Rigging all the cannon doubles that requirement, well done. Not to set you back, but it’s not 22 more it’s 30 including the eight on the QD 😊 Edited March 27, 2022 by glbarlow scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 1 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Posted March 27, 2022 Share #290 Posted March 27, 2022 Its 24 on the gun deck and 8 on the qdeck......total of 32. But then there are ten swivels yet to come. FrankWouts 1 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share #291 Posted March 27, 2022 2 hours ago, glbarlow said: Building this model as we know requires patience and perseverance. Rigging all the cannon doubles that requirement, well done. Not to set you back, but it’s not 22 more it’s 30 including the eight on the QD 😊 Way to take away my steam lol! Well at least I get to skip the two in the back and the two way up front! FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share #292 Posted March 27, 2022 1 hour ago, Chuck said: Its 24 on the gun deck and 8 on the qdeck......total of 32. But then there are ten swivels yet to come. 🤦♂️Lol I’m trying to trick myself with the numbers! One deck at a time. FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 27, 2022 Author Share #293 Posted March 27, 2022 15 hours ago, Nunnehi (Don) said: Beautifully done, a tutorial on how to rig these properly! Don 8 hours ago, FrankWouts said: Very beautiful done and a tutorial howto rig them. Frank. Thanks Guys, I appreciate it. I’m not sure, but were you asking for a tutorial on how I did the guns? Or just stating that I already did it? FrankWouts 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nunnehi (Don) Posted March 27, 2022 Share #294 Posted March 27, 2022 My comment was that you’re showing us how it should be done. I’ve only rigged a couple and may go back and redo them based on how good yours look - thanks! Don Rustyj, scrubbyj427 and FrankWouts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted March 27, 2022 Share #295 Posted March 27, 2022 I understand I’m about one millionth done with planking FrankWouts, scrubbyj427 and Edwardkenway 1 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #296 Posted March 28, 2022 5 hours ago, glbarlow said: I understand I’m about one millionth done with planking Your planking looks soo good though! I don’t want to distract you from that! It will come together before you know it. This build is just a series of milestones. FrankWouts, Edwardkenway and glbarlow 3 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted March 28, 2022 Author Share #297 Posted March 28, 2022 6 hours ago, Nunnehi (Don) said: My comment was that you’re showing us how it should be done. I’ve only rigged a couple and may go back and redo them based on how good yours look - thanks! Don Thank you Don! I definitely studied your guns as an example to follow prior to starting mine. FrankWouts and Nunnehi (Don) 2 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankWouts Posted March 28, 2022 Share #298 Posted March 28, 2022 11 hours ago, scrubbyj427 said: Thanks Guys, I appreciate it. I’m not sure, but were you asking for a tutorial on how I did the guns? Or just stating that I already did it? You already did with your pictures. Frank. scrubbyj427 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scrubbyj427 Posted April 7, 2022 Author Share #299 Posted April 7, 2022 And then there was six of them.... 30 something more to go!! as soon as I get six completed on the port side I plan to take a gun break and start my long awaited chapter 7 and also pick up and finish my lighting project, now that I can hang the individual lanterns. Edwardkenway, JpR62, bdgiantman2 and 6 others 8 1 Current Builds: HMS Winchelsea 1764 1:48 - 5th rate 32 gun frigate (on hold for now) HMS Portland 1770 Prototype 1:48 - 4th rate 50 gun ship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted April 7, 2022 Share #300 Posted April 7, 2022 Those look really good, and I know represent a whole lot of work. Matt D, FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 3 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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