lb0190 Posted July 30, 2013 Share #811 Posted July 30, 2013 I can still read English guys That is good to know my friend, but does this help? Sjors, realworkingsailor, SkerryAmp and 3 others 6 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted July 30, 2013 Share #812 Posted July 30, 2013 Really great start on the deadeyes and shrouds Andy. Glad to see that overall photo. Pegasus sure is white!!!! NICE! Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted July 30, 2013 Share #813 Posted July 30, 2013 She looks great Andy, sharp and clean as usual... It's obvious that it had been pretty worked on her... May I ask: What is the material of the pegasus figure and are the ornaments of the headrails kit supplies? Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #814 Posted July 30, 2013 Thanks everyone! Adam, I'll admit, I was almost blubbering like you when I was getting into the planning stages of all this rigging. But with some good reference books, it can be done. Just be prepared to spend A LOT of time planning your approach to every line. Getting a good understanding of its purpose and fabrication helps. Sjors.... You're not telling me you're going to use my log as a rigging referrence are you? Larry, you won't believe how much help I've gleaned from TFFM IV.... It's a wonderful rigging teutorial, I would not have got this far without it. Although its specific to Swann Class ships or other sixth rates of that period, the ideas and concepts carry through to larger and later vessels. Augie, I figured Pegasus should be white... I went with my own pseudo-neo-classical vision of the mythical flying horse..... I did highlight the muzzle, eyes and hooves with a dry brush hint of black....Although flash photography kind of washes everything out... Andy mtaylor 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share #815 Posted July 30, 2013 Ah! Ferit, just missed you... The figurehead is made of urethane resin... I've worked a lot with this material for my other hobby (model railroading). It is quite stable and holds excellent detail. All the fancy work on the headrails etc., is photo etched brass supplied with the kit. Andy Ferit 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #816 Posted July 31, 2013 your shrouds are looking great........a fine beginning! lots more to go though.........have fun realworkingsailor 1 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliluke Posted July 31, 2013 Share #817 Posted July 31, 2013 Andy Your shrouds look perfect. I really enjoy the rigging - thought I'd hate it. As long as you enjoy it and armed with TFFM IV this will turn out great! Cheers Alistair realworkingsailor 1 Quote Cheers Alistair Current Build - HMS Fly by aliluke - Victory Models - 1/64 https://modelshipworld.com/topic/34180-hms-fly-by-aliluke-victory-models-164/ Previous Build - Armed Virginia Sloop by Model Shipways Previous Build - Dutch Whaler by Sergal (hull only, no log) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 31, 2013 Share #818 Posted July 31, 2013 Yes Andy, A little bit….. The rest I will take a look at Augie... Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted July 31, 2013 Share #819 Posted July 31, 2013 Very nice Andy - your work always looks very neat (unlike your work space! ). I agree with you re TFFM vol IV - it's a great general reference and has been a big help to me on Victory. It helps me to understand the sometimes more dense writing of Longridge. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 31, 2013 Share #820 Posted July 31, 2013 Andy would be easier to build the full height of the mast first, Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share #821 Posted July 31, 2013 Kevin, it is actually easier without the upper masts on. I can seize an eye into the upper ends of the shrouds and then slip it over the mast head, rather than havin to feed everything around and try to seize in place. Grant... Yes my workspace looks like the victim of some tornadic experience.... But everything is within arm's reach Andy gjdale 1 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted July 31, 2013 Share #822 Posted July 31, 2013 Kevin, it is actually easier without the upper masts on. I can seize an eye into the upper ends of the shrouds and then slip it over the mast head, rather than havin to feed everything around and try to seize in place. Grant... Yes my workspace looks like the victim of some tornadic experience.... But everything is within arm's reach Andy agreed - my thinking was - the oooooooooops incidents during the next stepping Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 MHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished Hercules by Kevin - OcCre - 1/50 - Tugboat - Finished - May 2024 Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted July 31, 2013 Share #823 Posted July 31, 2013 That is a mistake that i make Kevin on the Mirage, I think Andy's way work much better. You have little space for the seizing. Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted July 31, 2013 Share #824 Posted July 31, 2013 I sometimes wish I had done it this way as well...........trying to feed the shroud lines in between the masts is a bit trying. it also is tempting to rig higher up the mast, which can make it harder to run other rigging on the next mast. well.......I'm just glad to be doing 'some rigging', as I'm sure you are as well Andy. again........wonderful progress your making.......can't wait to see more Blueskippy and realworkingsailor 2 Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 1, 2013 Share #825 Posted August 1, 2013 I certainly agree with Andy's method and wish I had thought of that when doing my Vic - would have been much easier, I think! Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 1, 2013 Share #826 Posted August 1, 2013 Grant... Yes my workspace looks like the victim of some tornadic experience.... But everything is within arm's reach Andy Mine quite often looks the same Andy, but I periodically have a big clean up to try and keep it under control. Just don't let Mobbsie see it - he'll give you some real stick over it! Actually, come to think of it, now that Anja is busy doing Mod stuff, Sjors is doing a lot more housework, so maybe he could come and clean up for you! realworkingsailor 1 Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 1, 2013 Share #827 Posted August 1, 2013 Strange……I can not read English anymore !!!! I don't know what you are talking about Grant Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted August 1, 2013 Share #828 Posted August 1, 2013 I'm sure Anja can translate for you Sjors! Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted August 1, 2013 Share #829 Posted August 1, 2013 Oh, this is turning out great! /Matti realworkingsailor 1 Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 1, 2013 Share #830 Posted August 1, 2013 She's not at home and when she comes home, I'll be working till late tonight And I don't know if she gonna read this Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 1, 2013 Share #831 Posted August 1, 2013 We can always give her a hint Jan Sjors 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 1, 2013 Share #832 Posted August 1, 2013 Kevin, it is actually easier without the upper masts on. I can seize an eye into the upper ends of the shrouds and then slip it over the mast head, rather than havin to feed everything around and try to seize in place. Grant... Yes my workspace looks like the victim of some tornadic experience.... But everything is within arm's reach Andy I'm a ways off from dealing with the masts, but my plans are to follow the method Andy is using. Also like Andy my garage/shop is a wreck! I spent most of yesterday cleaning it up, other than my model ship workbench - it's an organized disaster! Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #833 Posted August 1, 2013 "A house must be clean enough to be healthy, yet messy enough to be happy" lb0190, popeye the sailor, gjdale and 1 other 4 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted August 1, 2013 Share #834 Posted August 1, 2013 "A house must be clean enough to be healthy, yet messy enough to be happy" In respect to my garage, the above means I should be happier than a pig in sh_t. mtaylor and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sjors Posted August 1, 2013 Share #835 Posted August 1, 2013 We can always give her a hint Jan No Jan, We won't Quote Currend builds: USS Constitution by Sjors - Model Shipways - Scale 1:76 HMS Victory by Sjors - Jotika - Scale 1:72 On hold: VOC Reconnaisance yacht Duyfken by Sjors - Kolderstok - Scale 1:50 Finished builds: HMS Snake (1797) by Sjors - Caldercraft - Scale 1:64 Nuestra Señora del Pilar by Sjors & Anja - OcCre - Scale 1:64 H.M. Brig-Sloop Flirt 1782 by Sjors - Vanguard Models - Scale 1:64 HMS Agamemnon by Sjors - Caldercraft / Jotika - 1:64 San Ildefonso - OcCre Le Mirage - Corel Smit Rotterdam (sea tug) - Billing Boats - 1:75 Sovereign of the seas - De Agostini Spirit of Mississippi - OcCre Santissima Trinidad - OcCre Corsair - OcCre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amateur Posted August 1, 2013 Share #836 Posted August 1, 2013 Why not, affaid that you have to do even more household jobs ? We have at least to tell her that she has to clean this thread of all this off-topic junk Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #837 Posted August 1, 2013 Hey, now...... I like most of my off topic junk.... Makes me feel right at home...... Makes my build log look just like my work bench gjdale, augie, Sjors and 1 other 4 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 1, 2013 Share #838 Posted August 1, 2013 I'll quote you on both comments Andy.........I think though it will be a hard sell to my admiral she's threatening to bring the garbage can over and slide everything in! Hee....Hee......! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realworkingsailor Posted August 1, 2013 Author Share #839 Posted August 1, 2013 It's worse when they threaten to bring in the vacuum cleaner before you've had the chance to filter through what may be lying down there.. (small lost parts, important little bits of wood.... screws, nails....) lb0190 and popeye the sailor 2 Quote Quando Omni Flunkus, Moritati Current Build: USF Confederacy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popeye the sailor Posted August 1, 2013 Share #840 Posted August 1, 2013 she knows better...........sucked up a nail once {not one of mine} and took out one of the turbines.......darn thing sounded like a 747! Quote I yam wot I yam! finished builds: Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build Billing T78 Norden in dry dock: Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20 Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400 Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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