HMS Bounty by Trond - Billing Boats - 1:50

[Trond]

I see there is different color used on the side top board. In Bounty book it meantion black outside, but what about the inside?

 

[Keith Black]

 Trond, the bulwarks were probably painted white or a light color to reflect what little light there was at night. 

[DaveBaxt]

On 5/4/2021 at 1:13 PM, Trond said:

Thanks Dave for kind words. Trying to as best as I can while learning this hobby. One thing is for sure is it is very relaxing, but time consuming. I'll go to my workshop after a long workday and dinner and just forget time and place, filing on some small pieces. 🙂

 

I have thought of buying extra stuff from web sites, but the delivery time and my kit is 1:50 which is not very commen it seems. So far I have limited to nice blocks and deadeye from Syren. 

 

Dave, I looked at your log for how you marked the deck plank on the side for best result, but could see what you ended up with (most likely you described it, but I didn't get it). What did you do, permeant marker or pencil? I've tried both, but are far of from your great result. Any tips would be much appreciated. 

I tried pencil first but it did not work for me but ended up using permanent marker and just doing one at a time. This sounds like a long process but one you get the hang of it it is not too bad. I ave since tried this on Tnganika wood as well as walnut and it works fine on both. What ever wood you are using try it out on a few test peices and the try using what ever you are using on top ie varnish , sand and seal  to ensure the dried permanent marker doesnt speread into the grain when mixed with your top coat of choice. I used sand & sealer and it worked fine for me. Good luck and let us know how you get on. Dave

[DaveBaxt]

On 5/4/2021 at 1:13 PM, Trond said:

Thanks Dave for kind words. Trying to as best as I can while learning this hobby. One thing is for sure is it is very relaxing, but time consuming. I'll go to my workshop after a long workday and dinner and just forget time and place, filing on some small pieces. 🙂

 

I have thought of buying extra stuff from web sites, but the delivery time and my kit is 1:50 which is not very commen it seems. So far I have limited to nice blocks and deadeye from Syren. 

 

Dave, I looked at your log for how you marked the deck plank on the side for best result, but could see what you ended up with (most likely you described it, but I didn't get it). What did you do, permeant marker or pencil? I've tried both, but are far of from your great result. Any tips would be much appreciated. 

I tried pencil first but it did not work for me but ended up using permanent marker and just doing one at a time. This sounds like a long process but one you get the hang of it it is not too bad. I ave since tried this on Tanganika wood as well as walnut and it works fine on both. What ever wood you are using try it out on a few test pieces and the try using what ever you are using on top ie varnish , sand and seal  to ensure the dried permanent marker doesnt spread into the grain when mixed with your top coat of choice. I used sand & sealer and it worked fine for me. Good luck and let us know how you get on. Dave

[AJohnson]

Good to see you back building your “Bounty” I’ve had a bit of a pause on my Bounty also, but that is because I started another project, not because of work like you. Hope you can keep doing a bit more now. 👍

[Trond]

2 hours ago, AJohnson said:

Good to see you back building your “Bounty” I’ve had a bit of a pause on my Bounty also, but that is because I started another project, not because of work like you. Hope you can keep doing a bit more now. 👍

It looks promising at work, so for no it will be steady working with my Bounty

[Trond]

Problem of start looking at your work and comparing,aspecially looking into the Bounty book.

Just noticed that the wale or at least some thicker planks are  wider that I did.

and here is my version

 

I've have just taped on a plank to see how it would look.

From the look of it I need to planks.

 

Any comment guys?

 

Also looking at the color. From the picture on the book I should use a kind of dark navy blue on the side...

Need to think on that one. In the mean time I will finish up the back rail side, not sure what the correct word for it

 

 

 

 

 

[LyleK1]

1 hour ago, Trond said:

Problem of start looking at your work and comparing,aspecially looking into the Bounty book.

Just noticed that the wale or at least some thicker planks are  wider that I did.

and here is my version

 

I've have just taped on a plank to see how it would look.

From the look of it I need to planks.

 

Any comment guys?

 

Also looking at the color. From the picture on the book I should use a kind of dark navy blue on the side...

Need to think on that one. In the mean time I will finish up the back rail side, not sure what the correct word for it

 

 

 

 

 

I dunno if I agree with the colors in the book.

I have never found an accurate, trustworthy source for what the actual colors were on her.

As to the wales, even though it is different, is it worth the extra work to you?

Only you can answer that question!?

Here is my version of the same area:

 

I use the same book… artistic freedom is an important part of any build that does not have a solid source of accurate information, IMHO.

[AJohnson]

All you (any of us) can do is the best our building skills and research time allows. As regard’s the Bounty it is only famous because of the mutiny; if the voyage had gone as planned, I doubt most of us would know or care about her. It was employed for a mundane and by modern standards an odious mission to transport sapling plants for food for slaves in the Caribbean.  I doubt any unnecessary  expense was used on her decorations. I have by convention (in the AOTS books etc.) gone with blue for the bulwarks outer colour, but I have not been confident about that since I committed brush to my model. Blue was (and still is) one of the most expensive pigments to use. So why use it for a ship transporting plants?  I am no expert, but I am not at all confident the AOTS book is the definitive authority on the Bounty’s appearance and my Bounty might yet appear in black instead of blue bulwarks. 
Also who is going to say you are wrong?  Ultimately it is down to you and what you are trying to produce n your build.  

[LyleK1]

7 hours ago, AJohnson said:

All you (any of us) can do is the best our building skills and research time allows. As regard’s the Bounty it is only famous because of the mutiny; if the voyage had gone as planned, I doubt most of us would know or care about her. It was employed for a mundane and by modern standards an odious mission to transport sapling plants for food for slaves in the Caribbean.  I doubt any unnecessary  expense was used on her decorations. I have by convention (in the AOTS books etc.) gone with blue for the bulwarks outer colour, but I have not been confident about that since I committed brush to my model. Blue was (and still is) one of the most expensive pigments to use. So why use it for a ship transporting plants?  I am no expert, but I am not at all confident the AOTS book is the definitive authority on the Bounty’s appearance and my Bounty might yet appear in black instead of blue bulwarks. 
Also who is going to say you are wrong?  Ultimately it is down to you and what you are trying to produce n your build.  

Well said!

[Trond]

On 2/14/2022 at 9:29 AM, AJohnson said:

All you (any of us) can do is the best our building skills and research time allows. As regard’s the Bounty it is only famous because of the mutiny; if the voyage had gone as planned, I doubt most of us would know or care about her. It was employed for a mundane and by modern standards an odious mission to transport sapling plants for food for slaves in the Caribbean.  I doubt any unnecessary  expense was used on her decorations. I have by convention (in the AOTS books etc.) gone with blue for the bulwarks outer colour, but I have not been confident about that since I committed brush to my model. Blue was (and still is) one of the most expensive pigments to use. So why use it for a ship transporting plants?  I am no expert, but I am not at all confident the AOTS book is the definitive authority on the Bounty’s appearance and my Bounty might yet appear in black instead of blue bulwarks. 
Also who is going to say you are wrong?  Ultimately it is down to you and what you are trying to produce n your build.  

Totally agree. It is my first build. I know it is not going to be perfect and my learning curve is 90degr. 

[Trond]

Tried out blue color and I liked it.

 

Need to deside on color on the inside and if I'm going with one more plank on the wale.

Need some try out some colors.

[AJohnson]

For inner bulwark colouring, dull red was fairly universal in that period, but there were always exceptions and the actual shade of "Red" is open to interpretation as I understand it ranging from almost Brown to Signal Red, other options are to leave unpainted, perhaps varnished "paid" I think the contemporary term was, with all sorts of varnish concoctions that could be quite dark in tone.  (a not unlikely option given the 'lowly' status of the "Bounty") or perhaps Yellow Ochre.  Less likely are white or the much later Greens.

[Trond]

43 minutes ago, AJohnson said:

For inner bulwark colouring, dull red was fairly universal in that period, but there were always exceptions and the actual shade of "Red" is open to interpretation as I understand it ranging from almost Brown to Signal Red, other options are to leave unpainted, perhaps varnished "paid" I think the contemporary term was, with all sorts of varnish concoctions that could be quite dark in tone.  (a not unlikely option given the 'lowly' status of the "Bounty") or perhaps Yellow Ochre.  Less likely are white or the much later Greens.

Then I will go with red. Since I didn't enough speare plank, I cheated  and used balsa on the side boards, so unpainted is out of the question.

Next boat I'm defiantly going to be strick/plan on my selection on material.

 

Need to get som hard wood for when I start my making of deck utility station.

[Trond]

I ended up with red browinsh.

 

Now I need to take out the side where the canons are 

[Trond]

I should get more small clamps so that I can get even pressure.

[Keith Black]

 Any more and you'd be clamping the clamps. 

[Trond]

20 hours ago, Keith Black said:

 Any more and you'd be clamping the clamps. 

Problem is the clamps (aspecially the big ones) are a little bit to powerfulle and squeeze to much. So I'm looking on the web to by clamps that I have more control on the pressure.

Do anybody know where I can get it?

[Trond]

The inner board is on, cut and paintet.

 

I was a little to eager with the top plank, so I cut them wrong, Need to get some more planks.

[Keith Black]

Trond, I've never bought clamps (actually, I'm rather clamp poor) but I would suppose you can buy clamps at most hobby supply houses. I have a few clamps but I use clothes pins a lot. For what you're doing I'd think clothes pins would be ideal. 

[Gaffrig]

Hello.

 

I see you’re located in Norway, as I am.

I recently bought a few of these at biltema, https://www.biltema.no/verktoy/handverktoy/klemmer/miniklemmer-10-stk-2000017620

They work pretty good and are not to pricey. They also have clamps similar to the ones you have.

I also use these from clas ohlson, https://www.clasohlson.com/no/Papirklyper-10-pack/p/34-1537

 

Your bounty is looking good!

 

Gaffrig.

 

 

[Trond]

1 hour ago, Gaffrig said:

Hello.

 

I see you’re located in Norway, as I am.

I recently bought a few of these at biltema, https://www.biltema.no/verktoy/handverktoy/klemmer/miniklemmer-10-stk-2000017620

They work pretty good and are not to pricey. They also have clamps similar to the ones you have.

I also use these from clas ohlson, https://www.clasohlson.com/no/Papirklyper-10-pack/p/34-1537

 

Your bounty is looking good!

 

Gaffrig.

 

 

Thanks Gaffrig

[Trond]

Until I have the time to travel to my local hobby shop to get plank I started planing/measuring out where to place the other handrailbars on each side, but it didn't add up. When I measured up on the ship and wrote the notes on the copies I've made from the Bounty book it was off a lot.

After several control measurement I measered up the total lenght of the deck and compared it the Bount book drawings.

 

Measurement from the shiped showed 53.5cm and drawings in book showed 57.6cm. So I will use the book as reference and place them out from drawings in book. Using hatches etc as reference and try to place them out.

[LyleK1]

2 hours ago, Trond said:

Until I have the time to travel to my local hobby shop to get plank I started planing/measuring out where to place the other handrailbars on each side, but it didn't add up. When I measured up on the ship and wrote the notes on the copies I've made from the Bounty book it was off a lot.

After several control measurement I measered up the total lenght of the deck and compared it the Bount book drawings.

 

Measurement from the shiped showed 53.5cm and drawings in book showed 57.6cm. So I will use the book as reference and place them out from drawings in book. Using hatches etc as reference and try to place them out.

What is the scale in the book?

I can't say that I've ever seen one mentioned.

[Trond]

5 hours ago, LyleK1 said:

What is the scale in the book?

I can't say that I've ever seen one mentioned.

The scale varies from drawing to drawing. It usually is either 1/48 or 1/98

[Trond]

Well tried a new way of setting up the handrail bars by drilling hole in the deck and shap the bars. Should have done that with the side wals instead of glueing them on top of the deck. I guess part of modeling is the journey from start to finish and what one learn during that trip. 😉

 

Must admit that I was unsert when drill the hole, scary of drilling so close to the side of the ship.

[AJohnson]

Very neat looking Trond 👍

[Trond]

Half way finished with the bars on one side. Also needed to bend the top plank on the siderail back.

 

 

[AJohnson]

Hi Trond, have you seen the painting @michaelpsutton2 has done of the Bounty, lovely artwork, but one little detail Michael added I had not thought of until seeing your handrail stanchions going on, is the possibility of adding hammock ‘netting’s’ to the handrails, something I’m now considering on my ‘Bounty’. 

[Trond]

7 hours ago, AJohnson said:

Hi Trond, have you seen the painting @michaelpsutton2 has done of the Bounty, lovely artwork, but one little detail Michael added I had not thought of until seeing your handrail stanchions going on, is the possibility of adding hammock ‘netting’s’ to the handrails, something I’m now considering on my ‘Bounty’. 

I didn't see his Bount. I guess I'm not to familiar how this web page works. But I understand what you are saying,