BubbleHead Posted November 20, 2022 Author #31 Posted November 20, 2022 Hi no, I haven't given up. I re-did the whales six times and was still not satisfied but moved on. This is my redo and practice one, have decided to build another. Started the lining off. This is the part I really wanted to learn as Mr. Passaro stated in his great planking tutorial on all the compromises having to do when not knowing the proper way of planking the hull and I have done them all, thought he was describing me. Thank you, Mr. Passaro, for your planking tutorial simplified things for me. I have finished ticking the port side and almost the starboard just have to get out the tick fan. Tom scrubbyj427, DanielD, Ryland Craze and 6 others 9
Chuck Posted November 20, 2022 #32 Posted November 20, 2022 That looks pretty good. You are doing a fine job. Keep going. Chuck FrankWouts and Steve20 2 Chuck Passaro - MSW Admin Sloop Speedwell - POF scratch Block Island Boat - POF scratch HMS Winchelsea - POB scratch build HM Cutter Cheerful - POB scratch build Royal Barge - POF scratch Medway Longboat- POF Scratch SYREN SHIP MODEL COMPANY
BubbleHead Posted November 20, 2022 Author #33 Posted November 20, 2022 I used pin 1/8"striping tape and didn't like it. Only sticks two or three times. Have to find some other method. Tom FrankWouts 1
Trussben Posted November 21, 2022 #34 Posted November 21, 2022 Try some fine black thread and a dab of white glue, that’s what I mostly used. FrankWouts and Steve20 2 Current builds: HMS Pegasus TFFM. HMS Winchelsea. Completed builds: ECHO cross section.18th C Longboat.QA Barge. Medway Longboat.
druxey Posted November 21, 2022 #35 Posted November 21, 2022 Also, even thin tape is too wide for the purpose. One can move the thread with white glue incrementally by moistening a finger and rolling the thread as needed. See the planking tutorial by David Antscherl on this site. Ryland Craze, WalrusGuy, Steve20 and 3 others 6 Be sure to sign up for an epic Nelson/Trafalgar project if you would like to see it made into a TV series http://trafalgar.tv
BubbleHead Posted November 22, 2022 Author #36 Posted November 22, 2022 Thank you I'll give it a try, but doesn't the white glue leave the thread stiff at the ribs and leave the thread straight at that point and not flowing around? Sitting here thinking about this and just had a thought. When I make sails I use fabric glue cut about 50% along the folded edges because I can't fold, hold and sew at the same time and make it right so I glue them down and the fabric has been left all floppy just like no glue was used. I think I'll give it a try and see if it will stick to the wood.Either way I'll see what works for me. FrankWouts and Trussben 2
BubbleHead Posted May 16, 2023 Author #37 Posted May 16, 2023 How wide the garboard be 5/16, 3/8? FrankWouts 1
Rustyj Posted May 16, 2023 #38 Posted May 16, 2023 Mine was 5/16" at its widest. FrankWouts 1 Rusty "So Long For Now" Current Builds: Speedwell Completed Build Logs: HMS Winchelsea 1/48 Duchess of Kingston USF Confederacy , US Brig Syren , Triton Cross Section , Bomb Vessel Cross Section, Cutter Cheerful, Queen Anne Barge, Medway Longboat Completed Build Gallery: Brig Syren , 1870 Mississippi Riverboat , 1949 Chris-Craft 19' Runabout
FrankWouts Posted May 24, 2023 #40 Posted May 24, 2023 Looking good Tom, no need to start a new one, please keep going on this one and updating us! Frank. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None
BubbleHead Posted May 24, 2023 Author #41 Posted May 24, 2023 Thank you Frank for the encouragement. I will be finishing it mostly, put the decks in but I think that will be all. The hull is a mess. the gentle S at bow turned into a giant slalom and I got lost in the planking count. By the time I found the mistake it was too late besides the mistake started with the whales. It's OK because I really would like to learn Chuck's way of doing hull planking, lining off, and things. That is another thing I didn't follow the tic marks. I keep thing 1/4" when the plank was less according to the tic marks. Don't know what I was thinking couldn't follow my own game plan. Thank you Frank for your excellent tutorial on hull planking. I hope I will get the big picture next time Tom FrankWouts 1
glbarlow Posted May 24, 2023 #42 Posted May 24, 2023 More than once I’ve ripped off lots of planks and started over, and sometimes started over again. Don’t give up on it. Gregory, FrankWouts, Steve20 and 1 other 4 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
BubbleHead Posted May 24, 2023 Author #43 Posted May 24, 2023 No not giving up. Right now trying to straightening out the line to match the keel to fit the garboard. Maybe non of this mess will not show too much as it's on the bottom. Tom FrankWouts and glbarlow 2
BubbleHead Posted July 3, 2023 Author #44 Posted July 3, 2023 Edwardkenway, westwood, FrankWouts and 1 other 4
BubbleHead Posted July 3, 2023 Author #45 Posted July 3, 2023 As you can see what a mess. I sanded through at the stern, there's a hole at the bow which I didn't see untell l I sanded. Gaps everywhere. The dry fit would be good but when I added the it seemed not to fit right. I think it was part me and part medium supper glue I used. I think next time I will try thin supper glue if it doesn't run all over the place. The big problem is on the bottom which is a grate mess it looks like only two or three planks. The line out looked good but I didn't follow the game plan. I think because in the lining off none of the planks were 1/4" wide so as I was planking I changed it dumb. Anyway I"m moveing with the build and I will follow the game plan the next time and use thin supper glue or ti bond and wate. TJ FrankWouts 1
BubbleHead Posted July 4, 2023 Author #46 Posted July 4, 2023 Started chapter three I lined up the transom windows It Took a bit but finally everything looked good. port and starboard measure the same distance from the hull out. From the transom to the lower counter measures the same and looks good. That is it looks good to me. I will make the final window adjustment after gluing the transom on. Tom Edwardkenway, Chuck, glbarlow and 5 others 8
FrankWouts Posted August 4, 2023 #47 Posted August 4, 2023 On 7/3/2023 at 5:03 PM, BubbleHead said: As you can see what a mess. I sanded through at the stern, there's a hole at the bow which I didn't see untell l I sanded. Gaps everywhere. The dry fit would be good but when I added the it seemed not to fit right. I think it was part me and part medium supper glue I used. I think next time I will try thin supper glue if it doesn't run all over the place. The big problem is on the bottom which is a grate mess it looks like only two or three planks. The line out looked good but I didn't follow the game plan. I think because in the lining off none of the planks were 1/4" wide so as I was planking I changed it dumb. Anyway I"m moveing with the build and I will follow the game plan the next time and use thin supper glue or ti bond and wate. TJ Hi Tom, That's why I refuse to use superglue and still use old fashioned PVA wood glue... Although it takes me months more to plank the hull,I won't make a mess as is my experience with superglue. No need sanding PVA glue away, simply rub it away with a moist cotton swap...any residu that's still left can be sanded away, with FINE GRIT sandpaper... Perhaps it's possible to chisel away the effected planks and replace them? I did so as well one or two times with planks that weren't to my liking, though at a very early stage, almost immediately after planking them and noticing they weren't in the correct line or path... Frank. Chuck 1 Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None
BubbleHead Posted August 4, 2023 Author #48 Posted August 4, 2023 Thank you Frank I think that's what I'm going to use. TJ FrankWouts 1
glbarlow Posted August 4, 2023 #49 Posted August 4, 2023 (edited) I’d stick with the medium CA, the thin stuff makes a bigger mess and gives zero time to adjust. The CA applicators with the super thin nozzle and spatula I use makes it much easier to control. I’d never be able to plank any other way, Frank is doing a great job with PVA and I did ok with medium CA, obviously both work. Don’t be reluctant to remove and replace, it’s worth the extra time an effort in the long run Edited August 4, 2023 by glbarlow FrankWouts and scrubbyj427 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
BubbleHead Posted August 5, 2023 Author #50 Posted August 5, 2023 Thank you Glenn. I have torn off several rows of planking and replaced them sometimes it worked sometimes it didn't. I will do another Winnie when I'm finished with this one. Practices, practices, practices. I have never seen the CA applicators with the super thin nozzle and spatula you are discussing. Where might I find this if it's OK to ask? TJ FrankWouts 1
glbarlow Posted August 17, 2023 #51 Posted August 17, 2023 Sorry, missed seeing this. I use Bob Smith Industries CA products including their applicators. Here is the standard tip, there is also a fine tip version Here, I use both depending on the job. They go bad after a while (weeks) so I toss them and load another, keeping the tip clear and storing upright prolongs their use by a lot, I made a little stand. CiscoH and FrankWouts 2 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
BubbleHead Posted August 18, 2023 Author #52 Posted August 18, 2023 I see, I bought other glue bottles but the hole was too big but these look good I will try them. It takes longer to unclog the glue bottle than to do the job. Thank you Glenn very much. T0m FrankWouts 1
glbarlow Posted August 18, 2023 #53 Posted August 18, 2023 With these I just cut off a tiny portion of the tip when that happens, which wouldn’t as long as I remember to store them tip up and gently squeeze the tip clear every day. It takes very little CA to hold, hard to convince myself of that sometimes. FrankWouts 1 Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose
BubbleHead Posted August 7 Author #54 Posted August 7 I apologize gentlemen I have to sign off of the Winchelsea build for a while. I was brought the Soleil Royal by Artesaania Latina. FrankWouts 1
FrankWouts Posted August 8 #55 Posted August 8 Hi TJ, Why not first finish what you've started? Is the SR from Artesania Latina any good?? I think there are lots of SR's on the market that are a laugh in my opinion.... Is this one spot on? I don't know it (yet)... Frank. Current builds on MSW: HMS Winchelsea 1:48: Prior builds on MSW: None
BubbleHead Posted August 8 Author #56 Posted August 8 My Winchelsea is almost done, cannons, and a few other things. I learned a lot especially the line off of the hull. I like the AL SR kit. I don't like the instructions. The customer does not want paint so I'll be using different wood. The false keel and bulkheads are a little flimsy but get stiffer when built. The parts are crisp and clean the detail is great. Tom
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