Dave_E Posted November 17, 2021 Share #1 Posted November 17, 2021 Hello Everyone, Very nice to find this site! I have always wanted to build a wooden ship... built lots of plastic ships when I was younger. I am retiring next month, have a nice work area and have decided to jump in. I have been reading the forums and looking at the build logs. WOW! So much to learn and so many good resources! I am thinking about Amati's Lady Nelson for my first build. However I also see the 1/2 hull on this site. That might be a good one to start on first. Opinions on either of these are certainly welcome, and opinions for a first build. Also had a question about the actual ship size. Is it easier to build a ship of larger scale? Are all the ship kits out there generally the same scale? Look forward to meeting many of you - Dave Sonny Skipper, ccoyle, chris watton and 4 others 7 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmagna Posted November 17, 2021 Share #2 Posted November 17, 2021 Welcome from Everett Dave. Ryland Craze, Keith Black and mtaylor 3 Quote Lou Build logs: Colonial sloop Providence 1/48th scale kit bashed from AL Independence Currant builds: Constructo Brigantine Sentinel (Union) (On hold) Minicraft 1/350 Titanic (For the Admiral) 1/350 Heavy Cruiser USS Houston (Resin) Currant research/scratchbuild: Schooner USS Lanikai/Hermes Non ship build log: 1/35th UH-1H Huey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin P. Posted November 17, 2021 Share #3 Posted November 17, 2021 Welcome from Hood Canal. Ryland Craze, lmagna, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Current: US Brig SYREN - Model Shipways - Scale 1:64 Completed: HMS TRITON - Cross Section - Scale 1:48 / Gallery Secret Vessel MOREL - Master Korabel - Scale 1:36 / Gallery 18th Century Armed Longboat - Model Shipways - Scale 1:24 / Gallery HMS BOUNTY Launch - Model Shipways - Scale 1:16 / Gallery Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragonflyxlii Posted November 17, 2021 Share #4 Posted November 17, 2021 Welcome from the Tri-Cities! Keith Black, lmagna, mtaylor and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted November 17, 2021 Share #5 Posted November 17, 2021 Welcome, Dave. Scales vary widely amongst kit manufacturers, but we can nonetheless make some generalizations. First, for wooden kits in particular, larger scales are easier to work with, because often a lot of parts shaping is needed, unlike in a plastic kit. The dividing line between "large" and "small" scales is somewhat subjective, but I'd say that 1/64 and up (remembering that smaller numbers = larger scales) is large, while 1/72 and smaller are considered small. Anything equal to or smaller than 1/192 is considered miniature in the wooden world (though that would be considered large for a plastic kit). Common kit scales include 1/48, 1/64, 1/72, and 1/96. Some manufacturers stick pretty much to one scale (e.g. Vanguard Models produces kits in 1/64), others can be all over the scale map. Some manufacturers have, at one time or another right down into the present day, produced kits in what are called "box scales," i.e. a kit produced in a scale that will allow it to fit into a certain-sized box; this is how we wind up with kits in weird scales like 1/51. Cutters, like Lady Nelson, are good first kits, just be advised that some manufacturers have really stepped up their instructions-writing game in recent years, if instructions are something that is important to you. Chris Watton, who designed the Amati kit, has produced a similar kit of Alert for his own company, Vanguard Models, and the instructions are incrementally better than in the older kit. Either, though, will produce a great finished model. Cheers! Keith Black, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted November 17, 2021 Share #6 Posted November 17, 2021 Dave, welcome to MSW. When ready please start a build log where we can follow along. mtaylor 1 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave_E Posted November 17, 2021 Author Share #7 Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, ccoyle said: Welcome, Dave. Cutters, like Lady Nelson, are good first kits, just be advised that some manufacturers have really stepped up their instructions-writing game in recent years, if instructions are something that is important to you. Chris Watton, who designed the Amati kit, has produced a similar kit of Alert for his own company, Vanguard Models, and the instructions are incrementally better than in the older kit. Either, though, will produce a great finished model. Cheers! Thanks! Quite a bit more expensive... I would possibly consider it for the sake of the membership, however it's out of stock. Ryland Craze, mtaylor and Keith Black 3 Quote Dave Current builds: Rattlesnake Completed builds: Lady Nelson On the shelf: NRG Half Hull Project, Various metal, plastic and paper models Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaager Posted November 17, 2021 Share #8 Posted November 17, 2021 It would be worth your time to read the pinned threads at the top of this section - for beginner suggestions - a beginner boat kit as a way to get your feet wet - while gaining perspective and skills while harnessing your necessary initial enthusiasm - to avoid water that is too deep. If this hobby takes hold of you, you progress to the scratch build ambition, and you have or have access to at least a big bandsaw and a Byrnes thickness sander A version of scratch building also includes Replacing less than ideal kit supplied wood with more appropriate species - Fabricating your own sub-assemblies - Adding more detail: In hyperbole this is called "kit bashing" but it is really kit augmentation and or kit adaptation. It is the common way for those of us with no fine woodworking experience to progress to plans only independence for modeling subjects. Why this post= Since I am not able to keep certain obsessions under control, this is what I think I would do in your place. Understanding that I have no concept to the actual travel distances. You have seeming easy access to wood that is not economically practical to get to the Atlantic coast. It is Pacific Madrone - from a shop that can kiln dry it without it self destructing https://www.snwwood.com/Northwest-Hardwoods/Pacific-Madrone It is Sustainable Northwest Wood in Portland. They seem to be a "do a physical visit only" shop. But then you can handpick for grain and color. (Pick'em up truck and at least 100 BF) The consensus here from those with experience with it is that you do not want the Port Orford Cedar. It seems that there are several regional mills that supply something that you do want if the scratch build bug takes hold. AYC Alaska Yellow Cedar - a site search will show you what it is all about. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote NRG member 50 years Current: NMS HMS Ajax 1767 - 74-gun 3rd rate - 1:192 POF exploration - works but too intense -no margin for error HMS Centurion 1732 - 60-gun 4th rate - POF Navall Timber framing HMS Beagle 1831 refiit 10-gun brig with a small mizzen - POF Navall (ish) Timber framing The U.S. Ex. Ex. 1838-1842 Flying Fish 1838 pilot schooner - POF framed - ready for stern timbers Porpose II 1836 brigantine/brig - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Vincennes 1825 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers assembled, need shaping Peacock 1828 Sloop-of -War - POF timbers ready for assembly Sea Gull 1838 pilot schooner - POF timbers ready for assembly Relief 1835 packet hull USN ship - POF timbers ready for assembly Other Portsmouth 1843 Sloop-of-War - POF timbers ready for assembly Le Commerce de Marseilles 1788 118 cannons - POF framed La Renommee 1744 Frigate - POF framed - ready for hawse and stern timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccoyle Posted November 17, 2021 Share #9 Posted November 17, 2021 Dave, have you seen this video? Keith Black, mtaylor, Ryland Craze and 1 other 4 Quote Chris Coyle Greer, South Carolina When you have to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. - Tuco Current builds: Brigantine Phoenix, Bf 109E-7/trop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted November 17, 2021 Share #10 Posted November 17, 2021 Welcome to MSW, Dave. Basic rule of thumb is to start "small"... by that one mast or none. You've received some good advise. The half hull model might something to look into as it's focus is on planking. There's several logs here which would give you some idea of it's difficulty. Ryland Craze and Keith Black 2 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith Black Posted November 17, 2021 Share #11 Posted November 17, 2021 Chris, cool vid. mtaylor and Ryland Craze 2 Quote Current Builds: 1870's Sternwheeler, Lula Wood Hull Screw Frigate USS Tennessee Decorative Carrack Warship Restoration, the Amelia Completed: 1880s Floating Steam Donkey Pile Driver Early Swift 1805 Model Restoration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted November 18, 2021 Share #12 Posted November 18, 2021 Dave, From another Washingtonian, Warm and Dry Greetings after all the rain we had. Are you into Catamaran sailing? Just wondering considering your "nick name". You may know there are a lot of Model building clubs in our area. Please look into www.pssm.club as I am part of them. Our next meeting is the upcoming Saturday in Kirkland. Btw, Mark has a very good point - start small. If you go to NRG shop website you can find a half hull model to start with and learning the essential about planking. Even though I have been building models for a long time, I recently bought this "model" to become more experienced with planking! Once again Welcome to MSW! Keith Black, lmagna and mtaylor 3 Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonny Skipper Posted November 19, 2021 Share #13 Posted November 19, 2021 Welcome aboard, Dave E. Current build: Nuestra Señora de las Mercedes - Occre Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryland Craze Posted November 19, 2021 Share #14 Posted November 19, 2021 Hi Dave and welcome to Model Ship World. Good luck on whatever project you decide to do. Keith Black and mtaylor 2 Quote Ryland Member - Hampton Roads Ship Model Society - Ship Model Society of New Jersey - Nautical Research Guild Current Build - Armed Virginia Sloop, 18th Century Longboat Completed Build - Medway Longboat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glbarlow Posted November 19, 2021 Share #15 Posted November 19, 2021 Hi Dave, welcome to MSW. You are on the right path. Start with a basic kit like Lady Nelson and reference the many build logs for support. As Chris said Vanguard’s Alert (which is in stock on the Vanguard site) is a better kit and Speedy or Flirt one up from that due to the detailed instructions, almost a primer on modeling by themselves. You can first download the instructions before buying the model to see for yourself. Frankly the Alert instructions would probably help as a reference for Lady Nelson given the similarities. A half hull,kit bashing, and scratch building are all advanced topics for another day, get a basic kit under your belt first. My one suggestion in that area might be to replace Lady Nelson’s walnut planking with pear or even yellow cedar. The simplest way to do that starting out is to order it precut from Modeler’s Sawmill, a MSW sponsor you can find a link there on the bottom right of the MSW home page. Stay simple to build confidence. mtaylor 1 Quote Regards, Glenn Current Build: Don't know yet. Completed Builds: HMS Winchelsea HM Flirt (paused) HM Cutter Cheerful, Lady Nelson, Amati HMS Vanguard, HMS Pegasus, Fair American, HM Granado, HM Pickle, AVS, Pride of Baltimore, Bluenose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reklein Posted November 19, 2021 Share #16 Posted November 19, 2021 Welcome from Lewiston ID, Good luck on your quest for a ship to build. Bill mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Bill, in Idaho Completed Mamoli Halifax and Billings Viking ship in 2015 Next Model Shipways Syren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomculb Posted November 21, 2021 Share #17 Posted November 21, 2021 Hi Dave, welcome from Spokane. mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Tom ________________________________________________________________________________________ Current build:: Shackleton's Endurance -- OcCre Completed: USS Constitution cross section -- Model Shipways Peterboro Canoe -- Midwest Models Bluenose -- Artesania Latina Joshua Slocumb’s Spray -- BlueJacket J Boat Endeavor -- Amati Other Wright Flyer -- Model Airways Yacht America -- Model Shipways Brig Niagara -- Model Shipways Sopwith Camel -- Hasegawa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGN39BCO Posted November 21, 2021 Share #18 Posted November 21, 2021 Hi, Dave - Welcome to MSW. I'm in the Seattle area (Lake Tapps). If that's convenient you're welcome to stop by and see what I have on the workbench, on the bookshelf and in the kit stash. I transitioned from plastic to wooden shipmodeling back in the '60's and have accumulated a sizeable collection of stuff. I'm fully vaccinated and boosted, and comfortable with whatever level of COVID prevention you observe. Send me a private message if you're interested. Bill mtaylor and Keith Black 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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