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Michael, I've been to your build log early on but realized it's been a long time since then.  Great fun seeing your innovations with deadeyes and snatch blocks.  It is a real challenge building a model of a ship recovered with most of the superstructure lost to the quarterdeck.  On the "Victory" I have hundreds of photographs of the real ship for reference.  Having never been to Sweden, I'll follow your 'Wasa" with even greater interest.  Your model is superb and tells the story so much better than the original.  Cheers, Gil

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Just a word of caution guys. If you are going through the expense of buying your ropes, plan very carefully every rigging step. Remember that ropes are the commodity that is the most wasted in our hobby, (IMO). Just think how much rope there is actually in a knot, and how much rope you need to tie it, then you trim off a large amount of thread. Use a locally available cheap thread to do your seizings; don't waste your expensive rope here. Also, when calculating how much rope you are going to need for your ship, take into account the coils. Some people don't and then fall short.

 

Hope this helps!

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Michael, I've been to your build log early on but realized it's been a long time since then.  Great fun seeing your innovations with deadeyes and snatch blocks.  It is a real challenge building a model of a ship recovered with most of the superstructure lost to the quarterdeck.  On the "Victory" I have hundreds of photographs of the real ship for reference.  Having never been to Sweden, I'll follow your 'Wasa" with even greater interest.  Your model is superb and tells the story so much better than the original.  Cheers, Gil

Gil,

 

Thanks so much for visiting my build. Your very kind remarks are so appreciated, especially coming form such an artist as yourself. Thanks again very touching....

 

Michael

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Just a word of caution guys. If you are going through the expense of buying your ropes, plan very carefully every rigging step. Remember that ropes are the commodity that is the most wasted in our hobby, (IMO). Just think how much rope there is actually in a knot, and how much rope you need to tie it, then you trim off a large amount of thread. Use a locally available cheap thread to do your seizings; don't waste your expensive rope here. Also, when calculating how much rope you are going to need for your ship, take into account the coils. Some people don't and then fall short.

 

Hope this helps!

Ulises,

 

Thank you for the advice. At this point Syren will fill my needs, I did order a lot of rope (:-) though not enough, yet, for all of the rigging. I'm happy to help Chuck at Syren. But he is actually helping me (:-)

 

 

Michael

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Michael I was contemplating this kit and thus headed to your build log to do some research. It appears that the stern of this kit is much too narrow. Since the early part of your build is lost, I am not sure if this can be easily remedied. It seems as if quite a few frames need to be fabricated to correct this problem? Or do you think there is an easier fix? From your pictures it looks as if the stern needs to be wider by at least 1.5cm.

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Keith,

 

Hi, thanks so much for dropping by. When I started this log, I did not include the very early stages, as those tend to be very redundant for so many kit builds. However in the case of the Corel's Vasa it could be informative in that Corel very much miss-managed the shape of the stern. Here are some early pics of the build. I hope that they are helpful. I followed the kit plans to a "T".

 

With regard to adding 8 mm per side it would, I think create other issues.

 

1) it would sort of "Bow" outward the entire stern as you would need to add girth from the keel up to the weather deck. You would have to start a bit aft of mid-ship to still create proper longitudinal look to the hull

 

2) it would probably create larger gaps when you install the decorative pieces. Note on my build that I did not broaden the stern and there still are minor gaps in the spacing of the "wooden" decorative artwork. See the museum photo compared to mine, everything is tightly connected. Widening the stern may not look good, given the sizes of Corel's gilded parts.

 

The primary issue with this kit is the mis-shaped stern, which I did manage to fix after the fact. Now that is an area you could easily circumvent during the initial stages.

 

As I went along, I was very self critical with certain failures, on my part, that could have been avoided had I also referred to other sources during early build stages. I've learned a lot since. The Corel is a nice kit, though it is the least accurate of the three available commercially. With much extra detail work it will produce an acceptable and beautiful build. All of my friends who know nothing about this ship think its perfect--funny, only we fanatics here at MSW, especially Vasa builders will be able to see the errors among the kits. I've droned on a bit too long (:-)

 

If you have any other questions, please post them. I'm very happy to assist in any way I can. And as I said, if your scroll through what I've criticized of my work, it will certainly be helpful for you to  avoid if you decide on the Corel.

 

MIchael

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Thanks for your reply, Michael. Believe it or not I have actually had a good, detailed look at your pictures and compared them to the pictures I have of the original and the scale replica in the museum. I did notice that some of the ornamentation seems uncomfortably crowded at places but with gaps in some others. I am not criticizing your build, you are doing a marvellous job. But I do question if the kit designers got it right, and your answer seems to confirm my suspicions. I guess my question is whether it would be possible to rectify these flaws if a new build from the same kit was attempted. Your reply suggests that it would be too difficult - not only would I have to fabricate all the frames (something I don't have an issue with), but I might have to redo the carvings as well (a definite no-no for me!). I guess that makes up my mind for me - thank you very much.

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Keith,

 

Noted. Thanks for the nice words. In retrospect I would have opted for the Sergal/Mantua. It is larger, but much closer to the 1-1

I have seen your previous work. You are so talented. A Wasa, other than the Corel, would be much better for your needs.

 

If were to start this project again I would also use this absolutely beautiful Sergal example as a guide. This artist is about as good as it gets for this ship, and this hobby.

 

(Moderators! I hope that I'm not breaking any rules by posting this link, if I am please let me know and I will re-write this post.)

 

http://warshipvasa.freeforums.net/thread/84/shels-vasa-completed           such a beautiful example 

 

PS: Hindsight is always so 20/20 

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

Gun carriages part one.

 

Moving forward knowing that I still needed to finish up some deadeye channel plates, but I needed a "fresh" task. I was in the doldrums.

 

So, since it's really time for thinking about the weather deck cannons, here are some preliminary details. Having fun with this.....

 

Choices were to install Corel issued cannons and carriages or disregard these. I had already purchased some decorative cannons so the real decision was; should I use Corel carriages or build some. Easy choice.

 

Pics are fairly self-explanatory.

 

First pic is what Corel offered.

Second pic is taken from the museum upper gun deck. Carriages are much boxier.

 

The "M” I used as a template for aligning the sides during gluing.

 

I did not have a wide enough piece of timber to make the bases so I glued two pieces together and then shaped them to the correct width.

 

The first semi-completed carriage is just a sample. I will need to adjust the cannon placement. Its a bit too far aft, but you get the idea. Also sanding and further detailing will follow, along with grooves for the axles. I will use smaller wheels for the rear.

 

I have all of the metal bits, hooks, wheel metal rings, and beautiful blocks and ropes that I just received from Chuck at Syren.

 

Yes, I know that the weather deck cannons are incorrect for the Vasa, but in this instance I don't care (:-)

 

Lastly I just received a set of 50 decorative cannons for the upper and lower gun decks. So all of the cannons will at least match. Again, thanks so much for dropping by it is so appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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Your scratchbuilt carriage lots fantastic Michael B)  B) Absolutely no comparison with Corel's offering.The cannons look far more inkeeping with Vasa,nothing wrong with Corel's example,just not right for this time period.I have a feeling I have seen those cannon's somewhere else ;)

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Thanks much appreciated, Yes you have seen these cannons before. Here is the link for my source. Very nice people, I have traded with them several times. Quickly crossing the pond, and my continent is never an issue, now that the days of Imperial Airways is over.

 

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati-cannon-barrels.html

 

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

Yes I have a container full of them for my SOTS build :)  :)  :) I think short of ordering from A.Banarov in the Ukraine,they are the nicest decorative cannons on the market.

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Would you have a link to his website? I Googled A.Banarov   and it linked me back to MSW on a thread about casting one's own cannons, but nothing about this source. I would like to take a look at this vender's products. Thanks in advance

 

Michael

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Agree with Nigel, those kit supplied carriages are too chunky.  Much better to scratch build them.

Brian,

 

Thanks so much for looking in, as well as commenting. I so appreciate it.

 

I have seen one example of your (on MSW) rarely seen work ! It would be so nice if you posted pics. more often. I understand, as you have stated, that you might not be a "tech" friendly type of guy, but we are all missing on your very nice art. You are very knowledgeable. Please share (:-)

But none-the-less thanks for dropping by.

 

Regards,

 

MIchael

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Michael,

I am impressed, as always, with your level of detail! And I am lucky that I am a few steps behind you, so that I can learn from your experiences.

Do you plan to paint the guns and/or the carriages?

 

regards, Andre

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Nigel,

 

Thanks much appreciated, Yes you have seen these cannons before. Here is the link for my source. Very nice people, I have traded with them several times. Quickly crossing the pond, and my continent is never an issue, now that the days of Imperial Airways is over.

 

http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/amati-cannon-barrels.html

 

 

Michael

Nigel,

 

OMG these cannons are the very top of the pyramid. So beautiful. What an artist ! Thanks for the link. Won't work for the Vasa, but for an SOS build,  Hmmmm

 

Michael

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Michael,

I am impressed, as always, with your level of detail! And I am lucky that I am a few steps behind you, so that I can learn from your experiences.

Do you plan to paint the guns and/or the carriages?

 

regards, Andre

Andre,

 

Thanks for dropping by, and thanks for the nice thoughts. I'm happy that this build is occasionally helpful for you. Your Vasa is so gorgeous. Your kit is by far the most accurate of the three available. No I will not paint the carriages, in keeping with the natural wood look of the build.If  I were to paint them red, they would (on my ship) look a bit odd.

 

Also the carriages were made up of ten pieces of wood (Hocker) Oak actually. So keeping the wood natural the ten pieces that I tried to replicate should be visible a bit after sanding and building them up.

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

Just catching up on your build the Wasa, your details are very nice and good and there so many little details that you have added to your ship, she is one of a kind and a joy to watch you build her into such a fine ship,                                      ENJOY,

 

Regards   Lawrence

Lawrence,

 

Thanks for your encouraging remarks, I'm learning as I move along. Having fun with the cannon carriages. I'll post an update when I completely finish the first one. One which has already been modified several times just to get it just right. From that one, I can mirror the other thirteen, and really move forward.

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

Been still busy with the weather deck carriages, and of course there are issues (aren't there always)?

 

My intensions are to also attempt to include the metal framings. Time consuming but a pleasant diversion from previous labors. This first carriage is still the prototype, so nothing is firmed up. Oh, I will use the Brass Black before installing the metal bits.

 

Corel, again, or is it me? [Here is the issue issue] have not allowed for a wider weather deck waste, so the carriages that I build are, when fitted towards the stern, too big. As you can see they overlap the gratings.

 

I tried to replicate them with the overhang lip that Landström has in his book. These long curved half-circle lips are also framed in the Vasa museum carriage reconstructions (though not for the weather deck) there is a pronounced overhang beyond the cap end of the gun.

 

So, I have downsized a second carriage, this may be a solution, or I may use smaller cannons and build four appropriately sized carriages. I do note that the 1/10th weather deck carriages do not have long overhangs, Hmmmmm.??

 

Still a work in progress, but thought that I would share Thanks so much for your visits, they are always so appreciated.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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Hi Micheal, could you reverse positions with the two gun carraiges and take a photo,to see how the shorter one looks nearer the grating,Edwin

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Sorry Michael but will be a problem when you add the wheels? Will it be an addition of 3-4 mm in height? Maybe to diminish the height of the carriage and to make the gouge carrying the cannon more deeper could be helpful.

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Mates,

 

Thanks for your input, and suggestions. I think that things will be sort-of salvageable.

 

Edwin: here is a pic of the carriages reversed. Much better, indeed. I will shorten it still at least 1 mm or so.

 

Ferit and Nigel: Yes, I knew (as I was building the new carriages) that, as a result, some of the ports would open too low. I initially intended on only purchasing after-market cannons, and using kit provided carriages. Then I evolved, learned more, studied source materials, and improved my skills. I was also going to install cannons of two different sizes. I don't remember why?? All things past come back to occasionally haunt when there is a lack of foresight.

 

Yes, I sadly realized, after the first new carriage, that I now have a new problem. I will need to lower the upper carriage frames a bit. But in doing so I will loose the proper carriage "boxy" proportions. As well as the proper positioning of a small transverse beam upon which the inboard end of the cannon rests (also used for aiming). See enclosed museum pic. Hmmm

 

I can't, at this point, heighten the existing ports so carriages will need to sit lower, and trimmed at the top. I can :Fudge" a bit with the wheels, as well as a minor thinning of the lower frame thickness. All of these compromises are just that.

 

Nigel: Yes, I also realized that on "push back" there was no room for re-loading.

 

But (Question?) did not cannons also have to be turned at an angle in order for the gunners to insert that long wooden-rammer with new balls or cleaning after the last firing? I'm ignorant of all of this.

 

If that were the case then my spacing after re-sizing the carriages (which I will shorten just a bit more) may not be such a big visual mistake? Just asking (:-) Oh, yes those smaller cannons won't work. I will use 14 all of the same size.

 

Thanks for your suggestions and comments, they are always very appreciated and kindly taken.

 

Michael

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Hi Michael

 

The cannons only need to come back far enough to provide workroom for the gun crew.The end of the rammer would have been poked out the gunport then fed into the cannon.I think if you can get the 'room' to two feet or around 8mm in your scale that would be feasable.

 

Kind Regards

 

Nigel

Nigel,

 

Thanks for the clarification, and the information.  

 

I will follow your advice and assume 8mm as "enough scaled room". I will build two smaller carriages (oversizing them just a tad) and then position them at those last positions on each side of the weather deck, mounted with smaller cannons.

 

The larger guns just won't work, even with the Corel included smaller carriages. So a custom approach would have been needed in any case. The second pic. has an 8mm reference piece of wood.

 

As usual an always big thanks for your active visits, and suggestions to my build log, very kind of you.

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

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Nigel,

 

Yes I did misunderstand. Thanks for the input input Well, for the four most rearward cannons, so be it. It seems as though, however, that I may not be the only Vasa kit builder with this dilemma irrespective of manufacturer.

 

So this issue is still to be resolved, and is a work in mental progress. I may opt for those smaller guns, and build small carriages. At this point I remain irritated, and may move on to an other area.

 

Also, when I look at photos of the 1/10th, that has some very long weather deck guns, It would seem to be a problem for them as well? As always thanks for your sage input.

 

Speaking of guns I finally received those four stern swivel guns that I had ordered. I may segue and install those in the interim. A nice part of this hobby; One can meander all over the place, exclusive of when it comes the time to rig. That needs to be specifically ordered.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Michael

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Hello Mates,

 

I think that I'm becoming boring for some of you here, BUT I think that I have resolved the weather deck cannon carriage issues.

 

1)  reduced their length front and rear

2)  lowered and deepened the upper groove, in which the cannons pivot

3)  "tucked in" the wheels a bit closer to the under frame. Not right I know !!

4) will install two smaller guns on each side towards the stern, and built four smaller carriages.

 

 

A BIG thanks to Nigel, and to B.E. (got an email but your quote did not post?) Both of you, as usual were very kind in helping me. Also thanks to all of the kind folks who drop in, click or just look in -- Thanks so much (:-)

 

So it should work out. I won't post any more silly cannon issues until they are set for metal bits, wheels, and installation. Though as I have mentioned I know that these cannons are not "Vasa" types nor the correct lengths. But they look a heck of a lot better than kit included generic cannons IMO.

 

Regards,

 

MIchael

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Hi Michael

 

Great job on your cannons, with all of your efforts the sure have turned very nice. You sure are turning your ship into a master piece,                                               ENJOY.

 

Regards   Lawrence

Lawrence,

 

Thanks so much for your underserved compliment. You are so kind. There are so many masterpieces at MSW that are allowing me to learn as I progress. I'm touched. I have certainly improved my skills from emulating real masters here (:-)  thanks again so nice.......

 

Michael

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Hi Mates,

 

I took a detour from the carriages to install four swivel guns at the stern. According to Landström these would have eventually been mounted.

 

Needed to deepen the shallow openings a bit more, easy enough.

 

Then prepared the guns by modifying the mounting pins using small brass nails. I flattened the round heads as well. You will note that I made small wood mounting bits, but it turns out that, what do they say? "You can't put a square peg into a round hole". They did not fit.

 

Luckily the guns were easy to insert and "mount" in a believable fashion without the use of wooden bits.

 

Next, I used an aluminum tube to make the four small decorative rings. I used that material because of its softness, and the rings were to be painted in any case.

 

Fairly simple used a rod cutter for an initial deep groove, then on to the sander to thin the tip. Lastly back to the cutter for a couple of delicate turns, a bit of detailing and then paint. 

 

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OK back to the carriages. As always thanks for dropping by.

 

Regards,

 

Michael

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