Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Share #1 Posted November 1, 2023 It so happened that I would have to build ss Blagoev for the customer in parallel with the destroyer. ccoyle, FriedClams, yvesvidal and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #2 Posted November 1, 2023 SS Blagoev. Key dates from the life of the ship: - built 1921 under the name Songa , Armstrong, Whitworth & Co. Ltd, High Walker Yard, Newcastle, England - sold in 1935 to the USSR and received the name Blagoev - during the Spanish Civil War, the ship carried military supplies for the Republicans - during the last voyage from Odessa ( march 9, 1937 ) the ship was sunk by an Italian submarine LUGI SETTEMBRINI Roger Pellett, shipman, mikegr and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #3 Posted November 1, 2023 A brief description of ss Blagoev can be found here https://skipshistorie.net/Bergen/BRG223LorentzWHansen/Tekster/BRG22319210100000 SONGA.htm Ras Ambrioso, KORTES, mtaylor and 9 others 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #4 Posted November 1, 2023 Thanks to Lloyd's archive, good drawings of the ship's hull have been preserved. Based on these drawings, I developed a drawing of the model body and began its construction. Keith Black, Roger Pellett, druxey and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #5 Posted November 1, 2023 The photo shows the process of assembling the hull. GrandpaPhil, FlyingFish, Roger Pellett and 11 others 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted November 1, 2023 Share #6 Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Valeriy V said: It so happened that I would have to build ss Blagoev for the customer in parallel with the destroyer. Nobody will complain about that!! Bring it on !!! Yves FriedClams, mtaylor, Valeriy V and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yvesvidal Posted November 1, 2023 Share #7 Posted November 1, 2023 2 hours ago, Valeriy V said: The photo shows the process of assembling the hull. Process made famous by Billing Boats, who was the first commercial company to propose that way of building hulls. You are making great progress. Yves Ras Ambrioso, Valeriy V, mtaylor and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #8 Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: Nobody will complain about that!! Bring it on !!! Thank you, Yves! 1 hour ago, yvesvidal said: Process made famous by Billing Boats, who was the first commercial company to propose that way of building hulls. Unfortunately, I don't know anything about Billing Boats. But I think that this is the simplest and most reliable method for constructing a model hull. I build all the hulls of my models using this method, including the Varyag. druxey, Canute, KORTES and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted November 1, 2023 Share #9 Posted November 1, 2023 Hello Valeriy that looks like a very promissing project. Did you lasercut the parts yourself ? It looks so good as if it were a kit. It`s a nice scale and the building methode looks very smart, I`ll certainly be watching your progress Nils yvesvidal, Keith Black, druxey and 4 others 7 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 1, 2023 Author Share #10 Posted November 1, 2023 1 hour ago, Mirabell61 said: Hello Valeriy that looks like a very promissing project. Did you lasercut the parts yourself ? It looks so good as if it were a kit. It`s a nice scale and the building methode looks very smart, I`ll certainly be watching your progress Nils Thank you, Nils! I don’t have a laser cutting machine, so I ordered laser cutting. This is not an expensive operation. But I developed a drawing in vectors for laser cutting of plywood. mtaylor, Ras Ambrioso, KORTES and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted November 1, 2023 Share #11 Posted November 1, 2023 thanks for your swift answer Valeriy, you are doing a super job !! Nils Keith Black, Canute, mtaylor and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted November 1, 2023 Share #12 Posted November 1, 2023 Hi Valeriy, I always look forward to your posts as they show that you are able to still lead a somewhat normal life during these difficult times. It’s also great to see another steam merchant vessel under construction. I build my models as two half models too. This method ensures an accurate hull. Roger Ras Ambrioso, mtaylor, Keith Black and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share #13 Posted November 2, 2023 12 hours ago, Roger Pellett said: Hi Valeriy, I always look forward to your posts as they show that you are able to still lead a somewhat normal life during these difficult times. It’s also great to see another steam merchant vessel under construction. I build my models as two half models too. This method ensures an accurate hull. Roger Thank you Roger! Everything is fine with me and I continue my story about Blagoev’s hull. The model hull is fully assembled... Keith Black, mikegr, Roger Pellett and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share #14 Posted November 2, 2023 ... and then it is soaked in very liquid epoxy resin. Siggi52, Rudolf, mtaylor and 15 others 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted November 2, 2023 Share #15 Posted November 2, 2023 Hi Valeriy, I suppose it will be a stand model afterwards. If so, how do you fasten the pedestals of the stand ? will you build a flat bottom or will a minimum of the keeline stand out ? Nils mtaylor, druxey, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share #16 Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Mirabell61 said: Hi Valeriy, I suppose it will be a stand model afterwards. If so, how do you fasten the pedestals of the stand ? will you build a flat bottom or will a minimum of the keeline stand out ? Nils Hello Nils! This ship has a horizontal keel. Only the thickness of the sheathing sheet will appear on the model. Canute, druxey, wefalck and 4 others 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 2, 2023 Author Share #17 Posted November 2, 2023 The model supports will be attached as shown in the drawing. They will be similar to those shown in the photo, but only much smaller. shipman, NavyShooter, bruce d and 15 others 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted November 2, 2023 Share #18 Posted November 2, 2023 Looking forward to the gestation of another wonderful model ... good luck! mtaylor, Valeriy V, Canute and 2 others 4 1 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Pellett Posted November 2, 2023 Share #19 Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) By the time that these ships were built Naval Architects realized that the large keels built into wooden ships were no longer needed as structural members. The major strength members in a steel hulled ship that act as a keel to withstand longitudinal bending loads are the inner bottom structure and bottom shell plating. The primary function of the structure in way of what was formerly the keel is to withstand the concentrated loads encountered during dry docking. Roger Edited November 2, 2023 by Roger Pellett Canute, mtaylor, Ras Ambrioso and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share #20 Posted November 3, 2023 The wooden lining of the model hull is sanded. GrandpaPhil, Ras Ambrioso, Mirabell61 and 8 others 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share #21 Posted November 3, 2023 Brass inserts were made into the hull of the model for the bulwarks. mikegr, KORTES, cotrecerf and 12 others 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr PR Posted November 3, 2023 Share #22 Posted November 3, 2023 Another interesting build Valeriy! When you "soaked" the hull with liquid epoxy, did you cover the inside and outside of the planking, or just the outside? I have used liquid epoxy "paint" on the inside of the planking. It soaks into the cracks between planks, and between the planks and bulkheads. The result is a very solid hull that will not develop cracks between the planks. Mirabell61, Ras Ambrioso, GrandpaPhil and 3 others 6 Quote Phil Current build: USS Cape MSI-2 Current build: Albatros topsail schooner Previous build: USS Oklahoma City CLG-5 CAD model Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share #23 Posted November 3, 2023 22 minutes ago, Dr PR said: Another interesting build Valeriy! When you "soaked" the hull with liquid epoxy, did you cover the inside and outside of the planking, or just the outside? I have used liquid epoxy "paint" on the inside of the planking. It soaks into the cracks between planks, and between the planks and bulkheads. The result is a very solid hull that will not develop cracks between the planks. Thanks Phil! I impregnated the hull of the model with liquid resin only inside. It makes no sense to do this outside, since there will be fiberglass with the same epoxy resin. Keith Black, druxey, Canute and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefalck Posted November 3, 2023 Share #24 Posted November 3, 2023 A quick technical question: why did you put the brass 'bulwark' on top of the wood? I thought this kind of inserts were used in areas of open bulwarks in order to get a (nearly) right thickness of materials. Will you eventually remove the wood from behind the brass? Ras Ambrioso, cotrecerf, Canute and 3 others 6 Quote wefalck panta rhei - Everything is in flux Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share #25 Posted November 3, 2023 27 minutes ago, wefalck said: A quick technical question: why did you put the brass 'bulwark' on top of the wood? I thought this kind of inserts were used in areas of open bulwarks in order to get a (nearly) right thickness of materials. Will you eventually remove the wood from behind the brass? Yes that's right! Brass is much closer to the scale thickness of the bulwark. After covering the model's hull with a layer of fiberglass, the wooden strips will be removed from the inside of the bulwark. Canute, Ras Ambrioso, GrandpaPhil and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirabell61 Posted November 3, 2023 Share #26 Posted November 3, 2023 Hi Valeriy, I like the way and methode you tackle the hull-building. BTW why was this ship chosen for order, does your customer have a special relation to it ? When I built my steamship "Heinrich Kayser" my grandfather in 1922 was the captain in command when it foundered in the north Atlantic without a trace, and I had to do a lot of research for building the model. Nils mtaylor, Ras Ambrioso, Valeriy V and 2 others 5 Quote Current builds -Lightship Elbe 1 Completed - Steamship Ergenstrasse ex Laker Corsicana 1918- scale 1:87 scratchbuild - "Zeesboot" heritage wooden fishing small craft around 1870, POB clinker scratch build scale 1:24 - Pilot Schooner # 5 ELBE ex Wanderbird, scale 1:50 scratchbuild - Mississippi Sterwheelsteamer built as christmapresent for grandson modified kit build - Chebec "Eagle of Algier" 1753--scale 1:48-POB-(scratchbuild) "SS Kaiser Wilhelm der Grosse" four stacker passenger liner of 1897, blue ribbond awarded, 1:144 (scratchbuild) "HMS Pegasus" , 16 gun sloop, Swan-Class 1776-1777 scale 1:64 from Amati plan -"Pamir" 4-mast barque, P-liner, 1:96 (scratchbuild) -"Gorch Fock 2" German Navy cadet training 3-mast barque, 1:95 (scratchbuild) "Heinrich Kayser" heritage Merchant Steamship, 1:96 (scratchbuild) original was my grandfathers ship -"Bohuslän" , heritage ,live Swedish museum passenger steamer (Billings kit), 1:50 "Lorbas", river tug, steam driven for RC, fictive design (scratchbuild), scale appr. 1:32 under restoration / restoration finished "Hjejlen" steam paddlewheeler, 1861, Billings Boats rare old kit, scale 1:50 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 3, 2023 Author Share #27 Posted November 3, 2023 21 minutes ago, Mirabell61 said: Hi Valeriy, I like the way and methode you tackle the hull-building. BTW why was this ship chosen for order, does your customer have a special relation to it ? When I built my steamship "Heinrich Kayser" my grandfather in 1922 was the captain in command when it foundered in the north Atlantic without a trace, and I had to do a lot of research for building the model. Nils Hello Nils! You have glorious maritime roots and it's an interesting story! The customer of Blagoev’s model is collecting his collection dedicated to the participation of the USSR in the Spanish Civil War. Canute, FlyingFish, yvesvidal and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlyingFish Posted November 3, 2023 Share #28 Posted November 3, 2023 I'm astonished at your productivity Valeriy - a testament to your skills. So much to learn... Ras Ambrioso, mtaylor, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Andy 'You're gonna need a bigger boat!' Completed Build: Orca from the film 'Jaws'. Current Build: Sailing Trawler Vigilance BM76 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share #29 Posted November 4, 2023 10 hours ago, FlyingFish said: I'm astonished at your productivity Valeriy - a testament to your skills. So much to learn... Thanks Andy! All these photos show a process that lasted approximately two and a half months. Ras Ambrioso, Canute, Keith Black and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valeriy V Posted November 4, 2023 Author Share #30 Posted November 4, 2023 The hull of the model is covered with fiberglass with epoxy resin. yvesvidal, Mirabell61, mikegr and 10 others 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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