Jim Lad Posted February 23, 2014 Share #451 Posted February 23, 2014 Man, that looks good, Gil! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted February 23, 2014 Share #452 Posted February 23, 2014 Fabulous, as always Gil. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #453 Posted February 23, 2014 Hi Gil I love your work on the Victory, may I ask you a question how are guns on the bottom two decks installed they can't be on carriages are they fake guns, I know the first two decks the guns are on carriages I'm lost as how the guns are installed on bottom decks Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 23, 2014 Share #454 Posted February 23, 2014 great work nice and neat David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 23, 2014 Share #455 Posted February 23, 2014 (edited) Hi Gil I love your work on the Victory, may I ask you a question how are guns on the bottom two decks installed they can't be on carriages are they fake guns, I know the first two decks the guns are on carriages I'm lost as how the guns are installed on bottom decks Ronald Good morning, the middle and lower gunports are dummies, fitted into the bulkhead bracing strip that runs the full length of the build, the cannon barrels have lugs that fit into holes that are drilled into this here is a link show, - hope you dont mind Gil -if so i will remove http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hms-victory-by-gil-middleton-jotika-172/ or a different photo from my build http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/403-hms-victory-by-kevin-caldercraftjotika-172/ Edited February 23, 2014 by Kevin ronald305 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted February 23, 2014 Share #456 Posted February 23, 2014 thank you Kevin I thought that was the way I wasn't it would have been difficult to place guns with carriages right Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted February 23, 2014 Author Share #457 Posted February 23, 2014 Thanks guys for your kind comments. And Ronald, Kevin explained it well. Too easy you say? Well, there are thirty fully rigged cannons and carriages on the upper gun deck of which only six will ever be seen by human eyes (unless examined by a fiberglass scope, which is highly unlikely in our home). But I'll know they are there. Oh, the fun of modeling. Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted February 23, 2014 Share #458 Posted February 23, 2014 Gil, i have struggled with the appearance of my build for a couple of months now - not quite knowing,why - wondering if i was looking for excuses to avoid getting on with her. Today having read your log again - i now know what is wrong - ever since the gun port lanyards were put on i have been itching to rip them off and try again, even though the replacements were going to be made the same - all of a sudden it dawned what was wrong, they are to bright, tonight i toned two pairs down just to see what difference it made, and was pleasantly surprised how quickly they no longer shouted - HEY LOOK AT ME, Thankyou Shipyard sid 1 Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #459 Posted February 24, 2014 Hi Kevin, It's interesting how our levels of observation run parallel. I hadn't been too concerned about the gun port lanyards but the rope coils really got my attention. After your comments, the lanyards seemed much more prominent., and like you I toned them down to where they fit with the rest of the rigging. Your observations were probably more sensitive than mine. Thanks for the comments. Your Victory looks terrific by the way. Cheers, Gil Kevin 1 Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted February 24, 2014 Author Share #460 Posted February 24, 2014 Adding netting to the mast tops. I had delayed this step until the rigging was near completion, knowing that I'd snag it or find some way to destroy it. The same black tulle used for the hammock netting was used for the tops. Tulle netting measured and glued (C/A) outside the area to be fitted on the mast. Two cuts marked on the bottom to fit over blocks. Lacing the netting to the hand rail on the foretop (Similar to the hand rail on the quarterdeck). Netting laced on hand rail, lashed to outer stantions and glued (Fast C/A) to the aft end of the foretop. Netting on the maintop Note the netting is visible on the aft end of the foretop, with a similar appearance on the maintop. A thin veneer, 3 mm. wide was glued over the exposed netting on the foretop and main top The mizzen top before and after adding the veneer. Next step: Adding the yard braces. Cheers, Gil freewheelinguy, popeye the sailor, robert1965 and 12 others 15 Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Posted February 24, 2014 Share #461 Posted February 24, 2014 Way to go, Gil. Look terrific. Can't wait to use the toule again...Glad i saved my leftovers from the hammock cranes...Take care Jerry Quote Cutty Sark - Billings- Scale:1:64 HMS Victory - Caldercraft - Scale 1:72 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/1951-hms-victory-by-jerry-finished-caldercraft-scale-172-1805-version-wood/ HMS Bounty - Amati - Scale 1:60 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/10200-hms-bounty-by-jerrys-admiral-finished-amati-scale-160/&hl= hms bounty jerry#39;s admiral Viking Ship - Amati- Scale - 1:60 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/10415-viking-ship-drakkar-by-jerry-finished-amati-scale-150/ Half Moon - Corel - Scale 1:50 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/9065-half-moon-by-jerry-finished-corel-scale-150/&hl=%2Bhalf%2B%2Bmoon%2B%2Bcorel%2B%2Bjerry Bluenose- Model Shipways - Scale: 1:64 https://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/13649-bluenose-by-jerry-model-shipways-scale-164/&hl=bluenose La Nina - Artesania Latina - Scale 1:65 COMPLETED...7-8-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted February 24, 2014 Share #462 Posted February 24, 2014 (edited) Sorry Gil but I'm not the one who said it was to easy, All I was asking was how the lower guns was installed I didn't know they were dummy cannons and that rhere weren't carriages holding those guns Ronald Edited February 25, 2014 by ronald305 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted February 25, 2014 Share #463 Posted February 25, 2014 Hi Gil again I'm really enjoying your Victory build may I ask where did you get those nice alligator clips I never seen clips with different color ends Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share #464 Posted February 25, 2014 Forgive me Ronald. I was simply pulling my own leg, with a rather dumb play on humor. Gil Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p_balag Posted February 25, 2014 Share #465 Posted February 25, 2014 Hi Gil! I have just quickly gone through your build and I have to say, like everyone else here, your skill is just amazing! But over and above this, you have taken your time to photo and explain in detail the steps as well .. You have no idea how valuable this information is... especially to a NOOB like me.. I thank you for this thread! I will read it in detail and hope to learn from it.. Cheers Bala Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WackoWolf Posted February 25, 2014 Share #466 Posted February 25, 2014 Your rigging is Beautiful. I will be waiting for the next update. popeye the sailor 1 Quote Wacko Joe Go MSW :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott larkins Posted February 25, 2014 Share #467 Posted February 25, 2014 Nice addition there. Was that something found on the actual ship when it was in service many eon ago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted February 25, 2014 Author Share #468 Posted February 25, 2014 (edited) Many thanks Jerry and Joe. Ronald, I had forgotten where I got the small clips, but found them in the recent Model Expo Catalog. Item # MT1014. 12 for $8.00. I seem to use them for everything. Bala, We've all learned so much from our peers on this site. It's nice to be able to contribute. Scott, Good question. I can't give a learned answer, but did see netting in the tops on my photos of the Victory and in McGowan's "HMS Victory, Her Construction, Career and Restoration," drawings by John McKay, p. 170. It made sense, to keep the Royal Marines from falling from the fighting tops. Besides, they look good. Cheers, Gil Edited February 25, 2014 by gil middleton mtaylor 1 Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott larkins Posted February 26, 2014 Share #469 Posted February 26, 2014 Gil, Yes I do think they look good and I can see why they would be on the rebuild. I'm a safety engineer by trade so I understand having them on today's rebuilt ships. I ask the question because I cannot imagine that the British navy would be so far forward thinking as to protect their marines that way. Not to slam the British navy, I just ask considering the era that these ships sailed. I question what their real concern was with people's safety back then. That's all. I wouldn't remove them based on my quetion. I like the look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted February 26, 2014 Share #470 Posted February 26, 2014 Great work on the rigging. . The carpenter ants earned there apy this time. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Lad Posted February 26, 2014 Share #471 Posted February 26, 2014 Love the look of the netting, Gil! John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafi Posted February 26, 2014 Share #472 Posted February 26, 2014 Just caught up - amazing as always :-) XXXDAn Quote To victory and beyond! http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/76-hms-victory-by-dafi-to-victory-and-beyond/ See also our german forum for Sailing Ship Modeling and History: http://www.segelschiffsmodellbau.com/ Finest etch parts for HMS Victory 1:100 (Heller Kit) and other useful bits. http://dafinismus.de/index_en.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share #473 Posted March 3, 2014 FOREMAST YARD BRACES; in separate posts. Fore coarse yard brace. Begins from the main stay collar, to the yard pulley, returns to a block on the main stay collar and then down to the fore brace bitts. Fore coarse yard brace block Fore topsail yard brace, runs from the main stay collar, through a block from a pendant off the yard, returns to the block on the mainstay collar, then down the main stay and through a block to a block on the first skid beam, belaying to pins on the second skid beam. (As mentioned earlier, different sources show the presence or absence of pendants for the brace blocks). petervisser, freewheelinguy, fnkershner and 14 others 17 Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gil middleton Posted March 3, 2014 Author Share #474 Posted March 3, 2014 Continuing with the Foremast Yard Braces. The Fore topgallant yard brace originates at the main topmast stay collar, runs through the block on a pendant from the yard, returns to the block on the topmast stay collar, then through a block at the aft of the foretop and belays to a cleat at the belfry. The brace runs from the block on the collar to a block on the aft of the foretop and then to the belfry. Next on to the mainmast yard braces, with great care to avoid dismasting the ship. Cheers, Gil Martin W, p_balag, dafi and 12 others 15 Quote http://modelshipworld.com/index.php?/topic/485-hmsHMS Victory by Gil Middleton - JoTika - 1:72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
augie Posted March 4, 2014 Share #475 Posted March 4, 2014 Truly first rate handiwork on those braces. Quote Augie Current Build: US Frigate Confederacy - MS 1:64 Previous Builds : US Brig Syren (MS) - 2013 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Greek Tug Ulises (OcCre) - 2009 (see Completed Ship Gallery) Victory Cross Section (Corel) - 1988 Essex (MS) 1/8"- 1976 Cutty Sark (Revell 1:96) - 1956 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgbot Posted March 4, 2014 Share #476 Posted March 4, 2014 Looking good keep up yhe good work. David B Quote Work in progress USS Maine in cardstock.http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/7446-uss-maine-by-dgbot-hmv-card/#entry220003 Completed Blockade runner Teazer http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6063-blockade-runner-teazer-by-dgbot-card-stock/#entry175967 Completed The Monitor Lehigh http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/topic/6920-the-monitor-lehigh-by-dgbot-card-model/#entry203680 Completed Kingston Class MCVD http://modelshipworld.com/index.php/forum/10-kit-build-logs-in-progress/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjdale Posted March 4, 2014 Share #477 Posted March 4, 2014 Superb, as usual, Gil. Great photos and explanation too. Quote Grant ____________________________________________________ Current builds: African Queen - Radio Control / Live Steam Previous builds: The Shipyard at Foss' Landing (Diorama), Hannah - Ship in a Bottle, NRG Capstan Project, 1869 Allerton Steam Pumper, Medway Longboat , Alfa Romeo Spider Gran Touring (Pocher) , Da Vinci Flying Machine, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout - Dumas - Radio, Bomb Vessel Granado, 1742 - Cross Section - Scratchbuild, HMS Victory (Mamoli 1:90), Cutty Sark, Armed Pinnace, Bounty, Santa Maria At another place: Stephenson's Rocket (OcCre 1:24) (click the title to follow the link) In the Gallery: Lancia Armata 1803, Bomb Vessel Granada, 1742 Cross Section, 1949 Chris Craft 19' Racing Runabout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted March 4, 2014 Share #478 Posted March 4, 2014 wow - Gill This is certainly creating some surprises, i never realized that rigging would be attached to the befry, i better make sure mine is well and truly secure, - i have another 150 Gunport lanyards to make, im much happier they way that they are turning out now, At a guess how many hours work do you think is required to finish this build now? Quote Its all part of Kev's journey, bit like going to the dark side, but with the lights on All the best Kevin SAY NO TO PIRACY. SUPPORT ORIGINAL IDEAS AND MANUFACTURERS. KEEP IT REAL! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On the build table HMS Indefatigable 1794 by Kevin - Vanguard Models - 1:64 - Feb 2023 HMHS Britannic by Kevin SD 14 - Marcle Models - 1/70 - March 2022 - Bluebell - Flower Class - Revel - 1/72 U552 German U Boat - Trumpeter - 1/48 Amerigo Vespucci 1/84 - Panart- HMS Enterprise -CAF - 1/48 Finished St-Nectan-Mountfleet-models-steam-trawler-1/32 - Completed June 2020 HMS Victory - Caldercraft/Jotika - 1/72 - Finished Dorade renamed Dora by Kevin - Amati - 1/20 - Completed March 2021 Stage Coach 1848 - Artesania Latina - 1/10 -Finished Lady Eleanor by Kevin - FINISHED - Vanguard Models - 1/64 - Fifie fishing boat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Haw Posted March 4, 2014 Share #479 Posted March 4, 2014 Simply stunning work Gil, an inspiration to all of us Victory builders. I just completed installation of my belfry yesterday...glad I remembered to install the cleats on the forward legs! Patrick Kevin 1 Quote HMS Victory by Patrick Haw - Caldercraft - Scale: 1/72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronald305 Posted March 4, 2014 Share #480 Posted March 4, 2014 hey Gil I forgot to ask you just wondering, would you happen to know the length of the longest yard on the main mast, it would be the widest one looking at it from the bow or stern I know the length and width of the model when completed but not the yards thank you Ronald Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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