seahawk1 Posted January 11, 2014 Share #1 Posted January 11, 2014 I bought this kit many, many years ago as I was always drawn to it, knew my skills at that time were not up to the task. While I built other, simpler kits, this one always drew me back. Then, one day, I saw it advertised on Model Expo at a 'close-out' price I could not refuse. So, a few days later, a rather large, extremely heavy box was left at my door. Upon opening, I realized that my skill was still not up to what it should be, so in the closet it went. Now is time to build this beautiful ship, so hope those that have built one will chime in with some hints and tips, and those that feel this is a 'someday' build will follow along. So here we go. All the wood is very high quality walnut and ply and appears to be more than ample supplies. Many pieces are precut which may or maynot be a good thing. All parts are indicated, though scattered, on the seven plan sheets. My only gripe so far, is the horrid gun carriages-I have already decided that most, if not all the carriages will have to be built. Even after time spent in storage, the only precut frame to be un-warped was the false keel, which was steamed and clamped for several days. At this point, nothing has been glued as I am still pre-fitting the frames and 1st deck level as this will dictate how the rest of the build will go. All the gunports and other openings are well marked on the wood and will be cut out prior to any actual assembly. I will show the parts as I prepare them for use, rather than try to show all the parts at once. Michael JesseLee, mtaylor, Landlubber Mike and 2 others 5 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_W Posted January 11, 2014 Share #2 Posted January 11, 2014 This build will be interesting to follow. Agree, the gun carriage is simply ugly! Are you going to replace all of them, or only the ones which will be visible? Quote Regards, Keith 2007 (completed): HMS Bounty - Artesania Latina 2013 (completed): Viking Ship Drakkar - Amati 2014 (completed): HMS Bounty Launch - Model Shipways Current: HMS Royal William - Euromodel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 11, 2014 Author Share #3 Posted January 11, 2014 Considering that there are 3 different gun sizes, with the majority of of the smaller ones being seen, and very few on the lower decks unseen, will probably rebuild all the carriages and rig them. This is truly the one aspect of this rather expensive kit that I see as un acceptable. It would, to me, seem very difficult at best to rig these guns as provided. The barrels themselves are going to be a challenge to clean up as well. michael lb0190 and mtaylor 2 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted January 12, 2014 Share #4 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Michael, I'll follow your build with great interest. The Wappen is aso on my list of future builds and like you, I'll hold off on the temptation until I believe my skills are up to task. Good luck with the build and above all, enjoy the many months it will take to complete her. Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
md1400cs Posted January 12, 2014 Share #5 Posted January 12, 2014 Michael, Welcome. I have also been very interested in this ship. I hope that you got a good price, it is currently at M Ex for $1,450 USD. Yes those cannon carriages are hard to look at. Though the cannons look very good. Good luck with your new build Michael (several here now) (:-) Quote Michael Current build : Sovereign of the Seas 1/78 Sergal Under the table: Golden Hind - C Mamoli Oseberg - Billings 720 - Drakkar - Amati Completed: Santa Maria-Mantua -- Vasa-Corel - Santisima Trinidad cross section OcCre 1/90th Gallery : Santa Maria - Vasa - Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 12, 2014 Share #6 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Michael Looking forward to following along.Always had a soft spot for this ship after I built a plastic kit of her as a boy.I think the carriages are a shame seeing as this is Corel's flagship model,I would have expected better. Kind Regards Nigel Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferit Posted January 12, 2014 Share #7 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Michael, It should be very interesting and pleasant to see a ship which is my hope for my next built. As Nigel said, the gun carriages are unbelievable for Corel's flagship. Could the annoying parts like them be replaced with corrected/adjusted ones in the kits recently produced with new technology? Has someone any idea?! NMBROOK 1 Quote Best Regards… Ferit KUTLU Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy) Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 12, 2014 Share #8 Posted January 12, 2014 Ferit raises a good point.Those carriages are a disappointment to say the least.I am sure I have seen this model built with wooden carriages and I am 80% sure they were kit parts.Do you have a year of manufacture Michael? Kind Regards Nigel Ferit 1 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share #9 Posted January 12, 2014 I do not have a year this kit was made, but I bought it about 10 years ago. Most of the barrels will require some cleanup to remove some casting flash. Michael Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 12, 2014 Share #10 Posted January 12, 2014 Micheal, good luck on this kit. 1667,,, hmm.... cannon were probably bronze? As for carriages, ME used to sell some carriage kits (wood) but not sure if they still do. The Lumberyard does, but I'm not sure they would have the size you'd need as their's are all scaled for 1:48.. might work, though a bit pricey for that many guns. Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NMBROOK Posted January 12, 2014 Share #11 Posted January 12, 2014 Hi Michael I have done a little digging.It seems your cannons are available as a corel fitting but also they do a virtually identical cannon with wooden carriage.As to which they currently supply with the kit,is anybodies guess.It would work out rather expensive to replace all the carriages.Scratchbuilding would be a better option.I include a link showing the two different corel products as a matter of interest. http://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/acatalog/corel-weaponary.html Kind Regards Nigel NAZGÛL and Ferit 2 Quote Currently working on Royal Caroline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 12, 2014 Author Share #12 Posted January 12, 2014 Equipped with a fresh supply of #11 blades, today will be spent cutting out all the gunports. The majority will go fairly quickly as the parts are 2mm walnut ply. The last 4 bulkheads will be a bit more work as they are made up of 4mm and 5mm walnut ply. If one looks closely at the 2mm sheets, you will notice several small holes. This is due to all these parts being stapled together, courtesy of Corel at no additional charge. I have also steamed and clamped the rear deck supports using the adjacent deck support beams for the correct curve. Michael mtaylor and lb0190 2 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lb0190 Posted January 13, 2014 Share #13 Posted January 13, 2014 Hi Michael, Are the gun ports laser cut, stamped or simply outlined for reference? Quote Regards, Larry ---------------------------------------------------- Current Build US Brig Niagara Completed Builds George W Washburn - 1890 Tugboat Future Builds 18th Century Longboat by MS HM Cutter Cheerful Wappen Von Hamburg by Corel If your not making mistakes, your not challenging yourself – my life has been full of challenges Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #14 Posted January 13, 2014 Larry, The cut-outs are inked only, so I clamped down the parts with a straightedge to scribe, and also used some aluminum angle that I have trued for the vertical cuts. I also tried a tool I forgot that I had, (purchased with this build in mind) from Micro-Mark. A 90 degree cutting stamp that is designed for either mounting in a press, or smacking (tapping lightly?) with a hammer. This tool isn't too bad, but I found it much easier and cleaner if the cuts are pre-scribed with a blade first. I think I like the cut with a #11 blade better though. lb0190 1 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #15 Posted January 13, 2014 I was only able to get one full deck of gunports cut out today, but that is enough to enable me to prefit the port frames and gunport covers. The frames are precut walnut, slotted to build a 'square' that glues to the outside of the bulkhead which is then planked over on the outer side. The covers all all precut as well and actually fit over the openings. Some additional material will have to be added to secure the planking around the openings. The hinges themselves are photo-etched on copper sheet, no hinges-though this may change or at least 'appear' they are hinged. Michael lb0190 1 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nirvana Posted January 13, 2014 Share #16 Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Michael, a warm Welcome onboard MSW 2, Looking forward of your progress of "Wappen" This kit today of yours is listed at USD 1450.00 through ageofsail, that with updated laser cut parts. Scale of this ship is 1:40. She has a lenght of 43.00" and a height of 36.0 This is a Double plank on bulkhead kit, all woods are laser cut for accuracy. Incredible set of Fittings in gilded metal, copper, brass, and hardwoods replicate every detail of the original, She comes with 58 cannons as the original.With this model you can see the lower deck when you lift the upper deck gratings. Comes with Plans and instructions, sail material,banners, and wood display cradle complete the kit. Seahawk fan? Just wondering because of your "name" Edited January 13, 2014 by Nirvana Quote Please, visit our Facebook page! Respectfully Per aka Dr. Per@Therapy for Shipaholics Finished: T37, BB Marie Jeanne - located on a shelf in Sweden, 18th Century Longboat, Winchelsea Capstan Current: America by Constructo, Solö Ruff, USS Syren by MS, Bluenose by MS Viking funeral: Harley almost a Harvey Nautical Research Guild Member - 'Taint a hobby if you gotta hurry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAZGÛL Posted January 13, 2014 Share #17 Posted January 13, 2014 Looking forward to follow along. The kit looks really nice! /Matti Quote Billing Boats Vasa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 13, 2014 Author Share #18 Posted January 13, 2014 A quick update. I sent an email to Corel outlining the gun carriage issue, and received this reply: Dear Sir, we are really very soprry for the problem. Please let us have your complete address and we'll send you all the gun carriages! Waiting for your answer, regards This is customer service and I applaud Corel for standing behind thie, even though, as I told them, I bought this kit many years ago! And yes, I am a devout SEAHAWK FAN.........GO HAWKS! Michael Ray, Landlubber Mike and WackoWolf 3 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share #19 Posted January 14, 2014 Just an FYI, Corel responded as noted in previous post, and messaged me today that all new WOOD gun carriages are on the way to me. Corel indicated that it has been 'several' years since these kits had cast carriages and that anything I needed to build this kit is only an email away through them. Still cutting out gunports as of today Only 30 or so to go. Michael Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmay Posted January 15, 2014 Share #20 Posted January 15, 2014 Hello Michael,I received this model as a gift from the Admiral a little over a year ago,have a few large models to do but time is very limited at the moment,looking in on your log prompted me to check the guns and carriages ,Nigel was correct,wood carriages and all parts were in one plastic bag The quality of the kit is first class ,Will follow your log with interest,and learn.nice to meet you .Edwin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #21 Posted January 15, 2014 Edwin, Thanks for the comments. Also noted we are in somewhat the same part of the world. I live in Southern Oregon, but also have a small place just outside Birch Bay Washington-summer cabin. Curious to see how long it takes parts from Italy to arrive to the US West coast. I did determine a way to use this corner punch that works well on this printed walnut ply. The ply is 2mm thick, but the walnut is very hard on #11 blades. I use the punch, aligned with the straightedge and just tap through the walnut outer, very fast and clean. Then just a couple of passes with the #11 blade, and the ports are cut, nice and square and will be finish sanded/shaped after the gunport frames are attached. lb0190 1 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share #22 Posted January 15, 2014 Now I can see just how much of the lower is not going to be very viewable. Will more than likely limit detail on the rear lower 8 guns, but will still plank all the decks. There is however, the option of adding another companionway or hatch to expose that unseen portion of the ship. Decisions, decisions..........lol. lb0190 and mtaylor 2 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtaylor Posted January 18, 2014 Share #23 Posted January 18, 2014 It looks to be your choice on the companionway and hatches. Some paint that deck area black and then put on the furniture. Others go ahead and cut it out. BTW, I see you quoted Chesty Puller. WackoWolf 1 Quote Mark "The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me Current Build: Past Builds: La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD Triton Cross-Section NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64 Non-Ship Model: On hold, maybe forever: CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maggsl_01 Posted January 19, 2014 Share #24 Posted January 19, 2014 Howdy Seahawk I will follow your log with full interest as the Wappen von Hamburg is on my wishlist for the future (same are Fregatte Berlin and Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde). Good luck with your Wappen ! Cheerio Max Quote Next: Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde by Euro Model 1:47 Finished: Half Moon Corel; HMY Royal Caroline Panart; HMB Endeavour Occre 1:54; Fregatte Berlin, Corel, 1:40 A life without dogs is possible... but worth to live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisLBren Posted January 21, 2014 Share #25 Posted January 21, 2014 Hi Michael, I built the Wappen (at least the complete hull) back in 2001. The kit I purchased had the metal carriages - so i scratched them. The one tip i can give you is make sure to check the elevation of the gun ports in the former near the bow before cutting them out (the semi circular piece - don't remember if it was wood or pre fab wood). These are not correct on the instructions. On the plans they are correct. I had to make adjustments after the fact - not sure if they ever corrected this. Good luck and have fun with your build, Chris Kurt Johnson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share #26 Posted January 22, 2014 Thanks Chris. I have been looking over those bow parts on the plans as they are not real clear as to which parts go where. I may end up closing those very forward ports, but haven't decided yet. If you, by chance, have any photos of yours in the early build stage, especially in the bow area, they would be much appreciated. At this point, I am still waiting on the replacement carriages from Corel to check all the gunport heights before proceeding further. Michael Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 22, 2014 Share #27 Posted January 22, 2014 Congrats on the victory - good luck at the Super Bowl Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 22, 2014 Author Share #28 Posted January 22, 2014 Congrats on the victory - good luck at the Super Bowl Thanks, we are going to need it. Been a great year so far Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Landlubber Mike Posted January 22, 2014 Share #29 Posted January 22, 2014 Peyton tends to choke in big games, particularly in cold weather Quote Mike Current Wooden builds: Amati/Victory Pegasus MS Charles W. Morgan Euromodel La Renommèe Plastic builds: SB2U-1 Vindicator 1/48 Five Star Yaeyama 1/700 Pit Road Asashio and Akashi 1/700 diorama Walrus 1/48 and Albatross 1/700 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/32 Eduard Sikorsky JRS-1 1/72 IJN Notoro 1/700 Akitsu Maru 1/700 Completed builds : Caldercraft Brig Badger Amati Hannah - Ship in Bottle Pit Road Hatsuzakura 1/700 Hasegawa Shimakaze 1:350 F4B-4 and P-6E 1/72 Accurate Miniatures F3F-1/F3F-2 1/48 Tamiya F4F-4 Wildcat built as FM-1 1/48 Special Hobby Buffalo 1/48 Citroen 2CV 1/24 - Airfix and Tamiya Entex Morgan 3-wheeler 1/16 Terminated build: HMS Lyme (based on Corel Unicorn) On the shelf: Euromodel Friedrich Wilhelm zu Pferde; Caldercraft Victory; too many plastic ship, plane and car kits Future potential scratch builds: HMS Lyme (from NMM plans); Le Gros Ventre (from Ancre monographs), Dutch ship from Ab Hoving book, HMS Sussex from McCardle book, Philadelphia gunboat (Smithsonian plans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahawk1 Posted January 26, 2014 Author Share #30 Posted January 26, 2014 I finally have a day to spend some time with this build. The lower bulwarks and lower deck glued down, and dry fitting/marking all the decks and supports. Still waiting on the carriages from Corel and have some lighter deck wood ordered. I will plank all the bulwarks and depending on how it looks, may leave it rather than paint it. Doing one deck at a time will be very time consuming, however, starting on the lower deck with my thoughts of how I want it to appear will be a great help as I hope to improve as I move to the upper decks (which will actually be seen). Michael Piet, maggsl_01 and mtaylor 3 Quote We're surrounded, that means we can attack in any direction. CURRENT BUILD COREL WAPPEN VON HAMBURG 1/50 ON THE SHELF OCCRE NUESTRA SENORA del PILAR 1/46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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