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Good for you on making the parts, Popeye.  You'll probably be happier with the made parts than the bought parts.  

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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yepper Mark......as long as I can do them so they look passable  ;)   get through my work day today.......and I'll see if I can put some miles on her  this week.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Hi Popeye,

 

Sorry to hear about your run with bad luck as of late, but as Mark says, when it rains, it pours, so hopefully, it's now good luck's turn to pour in ;) 

 

I think the beautiful rigging work you've done will inspire lady luck to smile upon you very soon my friend, top-notch job as always :)

Best regards,

Aldo

Currently Building:
HMS Pegasus (Victory Models)-Mothballed to give priority to Triton

 

HMS Triton (first attempt at scratchbuilding)

 

 


Past build:
HM Brig Badger (Caldercraft), HM Brig Cruizer, HM Schooner Ballahoo

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thanks Aldo...........I've had much brighter things to keep me busy of late.   the admiral's brother came to visit for a week....from Texas,  a fun visit to be had by all!   that is coming to a close now........to be followed by a visit from my life-long friend from Florida.  known this chap from grade school.   how I met him was rather cool........I punched some kid in the playgroung,  who was teasing him and calling him  'four eyes'.....cuz he wears glasses.   ......been friends ever since!

 

I should have an update soon.....keep tuned and thanks for the good word!  ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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...even murphy couldn't stop me now!   I finished the foot ropes on the spirit yard.  after the ends were trimmed off,  everything got touched up and painted.

 

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then it was installed on the bow spirit.  Frank gave me a good idea..........I liked the way he did his.  I made sure that no glue got on the connection point of the yard and the spirit....so that when it comes time to do the running rigging,  the yards can be positioned the way I want them.

 

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then the yard that will attach to the boom got it's foot ropes

 

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then,  it too was attached to it's location in the same way

 

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I'll see if I can do more a bit later.........Gotta get some more superglue ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Nice to see the Goth progressing....... she's starting to look like a real lady !!...... nice work Popeye! 

Frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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Bowsprit looks fantastic Popeye!  

(And thanks for reminding me, I have to run next door and get some  more superglue myself before heading home tonight!)

 

-Adam

-Adam

 

Current Builds

Santa Maria - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB

MayFlower - Model Shipways (5/32"=1') POB
Blue Shadow - Mamoli Revolutionary War Brigantine. (Fict) (1:64) POB (Recommissioned as the Kara June)

 

On The Shelf Waiting so Patiently

USRC Ranger - Corel (1:50) POB

18th Century Longboat - Model Shipways (1:4) POF

La Nina - Artesania Latina (1:65) POB

U.S Brig Syren - Model Shipways (1:64) POB

 

Completed Builds

Phantom NY Pilot Boat - Model Shipways (1:96) Solid Hull

 

Decommissioned Builds
(Time and conditions were not good to these. They have been cancelled =( )

Willie L Bennett - Model Shipways (1:32) POF
USRC Harriet Lane - Model Shipways (1:128) Solid Hull

 

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Yippieeeeeeee,

 

Pictures and progress !!!!!!!!!!!

Wow, on a sunny day there is something going on.

Great job on the bowsprit Popeye !

 

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Coming along very nicely, Popeye.  I think you've found out that you are master at rigging also.  :)

Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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I'm going by the pictures Mark.....I'm not using the rigging diagrams from the kit at all......yet.  I'm a beginner at this......the first rigging of a wooden kit build...of this magnatude....it's a learning process  :)    thank you :)

 

I'm so impressed with how many of you commented..........I've been modeling most of my life......and with this one,  I feel like such a newbie.....I can't thank you all enough......you really make me feel good about it :)

 

it's your idea Frank........you gave it to me ;)    if this is how you did yours......it's sheer genius :)

 

I didn't get to do much more today......it's so oppressive.....hot and humid.  but I did manage to get a six-pack of superglue....got them at the local Walgreens for $4. 50........you can't beat that ;)   I have two more days to get something more done on her.  I don't know if anyone noticed,  but the fore mast belaying rail came off the deck.   just as well.......I had to drill some holes anyway.  I saw something in the pictures that I really would like to try..........film asap ;)    thanks again for the good word.....I really appreciate it!

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Hello Popeye,

Unique in the forum as far as I see, and beautiful as you know is your Gothenborg...

May I ask a question,  maybe unnecessary and late but... Do you think to fix false cannons with lids open onto her?

Best Regards…

Ferit KUTLU

 

Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy)

Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)

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hello Ferit....thanks for the good word.  don't get me wrong.......but it misses quite a few aspects that would have made this a great kit.

 

    the most glaring aspect is the scale.......1:100 to me is sort of an odd scale for this type of ship.   I think it would have been better to have scaled it much larger...more detail could be added.   then there are the inaccuracies in the kit itself.....there are two obvious ones that I did not have the experience to know better.   to try and pry off the lids and carve out the ports,  which is only about 1.8mm thick,  would be detremental to the build.  the absence of ports on the spar deck,  is another aspect that would make the build,   unbelievable at best,  if I were ever to have tried to put them in.

 

somewhere down the road,   I would like to try and size up the hull parts for a second build.  it wouild give me a chance to correct some of the inaccuracies,  and add in even more detail.   I have pondered this earlier in the build.......but too late to really so something about it.   I did ask about to my friend at Billing's........in order for them to get the Ok to design and sell the kit,  they had to display it as a  'peacetime' ship.  I respected the wishes  {I guess}.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Thank you for your sedulous information...

Waiting for your scratch Gothenborg...

 

"in order for them to get the Ok to design and sell the kit, they had to display it as a 'peacetime' ship." :D

If I understood you correctly ( my English language :( ), they can redesign their kit with cannons but barrel orifices sealed... or without barrel orifices...

Edited by ashiponthehorizon

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Ferit KUTLU

 

Under construction: Frigate Berlin (Brandenburg Navy)

Hope: Frigate Wappen Von Hamburg (Brandenburg Navy)

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Popeye, thank you. but, if you say you got the idea from me, I surely must've gotten it from someplace else, because, I am definitely not a genius!! :D

Frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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I'm not too sure what exactly the agreement was other than what I was told :)     I will definitely look towards doing it on the scratch build.....I just need to get more info on the spar deck arrangement ;)

 

I dunno Frank........you look to be a  'sharp cookie'  in my book!  have you begun tying up the loose ends on your build yet?  I'm not stopping this build for anything.......I've still a few ideas I want to do,  but hearts,  eyelets and blocks aren't going to stop me.  I have told the admiral that I want to place an order, and get some of these parts.   that's like the yards........in the pictures,  you can see the bunt and leech line blocks tied on..........I wish I had some 2mm blocks.   there are some in the Half Moon kit........but I dare not use them.

 

I'll close off now Frank.........supper's here.........SEAFOOD!!!!  gonna sit in front of a fan and watch some NCIS..........been so freak'in hot and humid here........:)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Hello, Popeye!

finally I've succeeded in coming back to the forum and I'm wandering among topics. You've worked a lot, and It's a pleasure to see the quality of what you've done. Great work.

 

Cheers

Alex

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If any of you cry at my funeral, I'll never speak to you again! (Stan Laurel)

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thanks Alex........good to have you back.   I say the same for your build as well :)    I was putting the finishing touches on the AmericA I believe,  when we last spoke.   I have been busy........but not as busy as I would like to be.   been a crazy summer so far..........the in-laws from Texas just left........and my friend from Florida should be here by now.....

 

ooooops!  just got some banter about mowing the lawns............out there in the hot humid weather.  it's about 20 till 10:00 here at this time, and it's almost at 90 degrees.  the index is going to be over 100 today with the humidity...........yea......I'm right on it ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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You've really a busy hot summer!

Reading about the in-laws, perhaps also I could write a poem ... but it's better I don't do it ...

 

Here the climate is hot, but we feel good. It's strange, in summer my town is usually wet like a swimming pool.

 

Cheers

Alex

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If any of you cry at my funeral, I'll never speak to you again! (Stan Laurel)

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the weather is getting to be one strange animal,  my friend.   I'm beginning to think those bean-counter scientists,  might be right.

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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hello Ferit....thanks for the good word.  don't get me wrong.......but it misses quite a few aspects that would have made this a great kit.

 

    the most glaring aspect is the scale.......1:100 to me is sort of an odd scale for this type of ship.   I think it would have been better to have scaled it much larger...more detail could be added.   then there are the inaccuracies in the kit itself.....there are two obvious ones that I did not have the experience to know better.   to try and pry off the lids and carve out the ports,  which is only about 1.8mm thick,  would be detremental to the build.  the absence of ports on the spar deck,  is another aspect that would make the build,   unbelievable at best,  if I were ever to have tried to put them in.

 

somewhere down the road,   I would like to try and size up the hull parts for a second build.  it wouild give me a chance to correct some of the inaccuracies,  and add in even more detail.   I have pondered this earlier in the build.......but too late to really so something about it.   I did ask about to my friend at Billing's........in order for them to get the Ok to design and sell the kit,  they had to display it as a  'peacetime' ship.  I respected the wishes  {I guess}.

 

Yep, that's why we scratch build.

 

Bob

Every build is a learning experience.

 

Current build:  SS_ Mariefred

 

Completed builds:  US Coast Guard Pequot   Friendship-sloop,  Schooner Lettie-G.-Howard,   Spray,   Grand-Banks-dory

                                                a gaff rigged yawl,  HOGA (YT-146),  Int'l Dragon Class II,   Two Edwardian Launches 

 

In the Gallery:   Catboat,   International-Dragon-Class,   Spray

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yepper Bob!   I mean.....don't get me wrong,  this is a nice kit.   scale it up some.....correct the quarter badge and upper stern deck ladder inaccuracies........add in the mid ship rack and cannons {and some better looking anchors}  and this kit would be stellar! :)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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You might want to ck out Chucks new site for the 2mm blocks....... if not, Cornwall Model Boats has them...... Stay COOL !!!!

Frank

completed build: Delta River Co. Riverboat     HMAT SUPPLY

                        

                         USRC "ALERT"

 

in progress: Red Dragon  (Chinese junk)

                      

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didn't know Chuck had a site for stuff like that....is there a link?      I'd have to get them quickly though.....I'm not stopping the build for anything else.    while it would be nice to add them in........in any event,  if I don't add them in,  it certainly won't look naked  ;)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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Mark
"The shipwright is slow, but the wood is patient." - me

Current Build:                                                                                             
Past Builds:
 La Belle Poule 1765 - French Frigate from ANCRE plans - ON HOLD           Triton Cross-Section   

 NRG Hallf Hull Planking Kit                                                                            HMS Sphinx 1775 - Vanguard Models - 1:64               

 

Non-Ship Model:                                                                                         On hold, maybe forever:           

CH-53 Sikorsky - 1:48 - Revell - Completed                                                   Licorne - 1755 from Hahn Plans (Scratch) Version 2.0 (Abandoned)         

         

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                

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I bookmarked it........thanks guys :)

I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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all the visiting is done now........my friend will be on his way back to the sunshine state tomorrow morning. 

         it just too bad we could only get together once.......things just kept getting in the way  :(   oh well!

 

I had made up some blocks to tie on the masts...and to add a few more in the bow area.

 

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looking at the picture I posted earlier,  I saw something else that wasn't right.  for the fore mast and main mast lower stays,  the kit says to use dead eyes.   I had the main mast set up like that......I will change this since I made hearts for the fore mast.  I made two more sets.

 

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the fore belaying rail came off the last time I worked on her......turned out to be a good thing.   those blocks on the deck are not in the plans.  I see them in the pictures........I believe they are the lifts for the yards,  or they might even be the halyards.   a bit more study is needed,  but they are quite visible,  so I will add them in.

 

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there are a couple more bits of rigging I want to add to the bow......they are pulley assemblies and will be a nice addition to the bow rigging detail. once the fore mast is in place,  the standing rigging can be done.

 

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the main mast fore stay hearts are in place......change is good

 

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on the main mast,  there is a boom,  used to launch the ship's boats and to take on supplies.  a yoke rest is located at the top of the rack,  for when the boom is stowed away.   next,  a suitable boom was selected,  painted and set up.   it doesn't have all the hardware on it yet,  but it is in place.

 

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it will look better,  once it's rigged.   I've added a couple more blocks on the bumpkin.  I couldn't think of any other blocks to add to the fore mast....so it is now cemented in place.  then the worst luck happened.......the camera battery ran low and shut down....so now it's on the recharge.

 

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I yam wot I yam!

finished builds:
Billings Nordkap 476 / Billings Cux 87 / Billings Mary Ann / Billings AmericA - reissue
Billings Regina - bashed into the Susan A / Andrea Gail 1:20 - semi scratch w/ Billing instructions
M&M Fun Ship - semi scratch build / Gundalow - scratch build / Jeanne D'Arc - Heller
Phylly C & Denny-Zen - the Lobsie twins - bashed & semi scratch dual build

Billing T78 Norden

 

in dry dock:
Billing's Gothenborg 1:100 / Billing's Boulogne Etaples 1:20
Billing's Half Moon 1:40 - some scratch required
Revell U.S.S. United States 1:96 - plastic/ wood modified / Academy Titanic 1:400
Trawler Syborn - semi scratch / Holiday Harbor dual build - semi scratch

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