Louie da fly
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Brilliant idea! I've seen those packages, but the idea the wood could be used for planking never occurred to me. Nice work, and imaginative and creative as usual. But your skills and understanding have improved. I do believe you can no longer be called a newbie -
Those shields certainly add to the look of the model. I knew the were alterantely yellow and black, but until you see it you don't really get an idea of how spectacular the original would have looked.
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Welcome to MSW, Peregrine! There's a good section here on wooden model kits suitable for people just starting out These are all simple enough to try without overwhelming yourself, the instructions are generally pretty clear (and if you have problems, there's probably already a build log on MSW for the same model that will help, and if all else fails ask a question. Everybody's very helpful and supportive.) And when you do decide what to make, be sure to start a build log. Great way to get help and advice (and we get to see nice pictures of your build under way).
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There's a good overview of models suitable for people just starting out at These generally are good quality kits with clear instructions, and not too difficult for someone new to the game. There's quite a choice here, and with a bit of luck you'll find something that floats your boat (sorry! couldn't resist).
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One of my favourites was "Queen, queen, wake up the peasants" (Reine, reine, gueux eveille) I also have the famous book "Let Stalk Strine" compiled by Afferbeck Lauder, which includes such gems as "gloria soame" and "terror souse" when talking about architecture . . . and Strine's sub-dialect Rye-wye, with quotes like "The trine stanning at plafform nine goes to Rare Dill"
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Vegemite jar contains a mixture of Rit dyes for getting the colour of the running rigging right. Reproduction of pictures is ok so long as it's "for study purposes" but shouldn't be taken too far. That's why I put the link in. Just about all the stuff I usually put up is straight from Pinterest, so is probably in the public domain. Oh, got it - there's a book of this kind of thing - called "Mots d'heures gousses rames", which contains such gems as "Un petit d'un petit c'est un eval . . ."
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Roger, I somehow missed your post re Wooden Boat magazine. I went to their website and did a search for "lateen, Spain" but nothing came up. Do you have the magazine yourself? If so, could you let me know the name of the article (and preferably issue date) when you get a chance? Thanks, mate.
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She's starting to show some very attractive lines, mate.
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That's avery attractive vessel. I had to google it to find out what it looked like. Then I did an image search for "sailing luzzu" and came up with quite a few models, but also some very interesting antique paintings, which might work as a source for the sail plan - some with a very interesting set of sails - see https://pixels.com/featured/2-luzzu-marco-macelli.html and http://www.artnet.com/artists/nicola-f-crescimanno/a-luzzu-passing-st-pauls-island-in-stpauls-bay-wK6SPXgpTXGIuWVyeq3WTQ2 and https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/A-luzzo-off-Valetta-by-moonlight--and-A-/68A066740A840864 - and https://www.mutualart.com/Artwork/A-luzzu-at-sea/7E3E8FB3E8304088 - a vertical mast near the bow with two sprits going up diagonally from it, one each side, (or sometimes just one) holding the corners of one or two square sails. That would be an interesting rig to portray . . . I agree with you about the dangers of having an unfurled sail flapping around on deck uncontrolled. Still, maybe these guys are in harbour safe and sheltered from such things. Whether or not I go ahead with the guy climbing the halyard, you've certainly made some interesting suggestions. I couldn't make out the French quote in your signature (and of course Google Translate is useless for colloquial language). "Not of her, Rhone eyes, but us" (??????) Must be poetry. That doesn't have to make sense . . .
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I've had a brief look through the article, and though this isn't my primry area of interest, the author certainly make a good point - summed up in the quote "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence". I'll have to make time to read it in full.
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Binho, there's a very interesting article on all this at https://www.academia.edu/29671878/Bayonese_cogs_Genoese_carracks_English_dromons_and_Iberian_carvels_Tracing_technology_transfer_in_medieval_Atlantic_shipbuilding
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Well, 3d printing's another great idea. I still don't think in these terms all that easily. I haven't met Roland, but it's quite a few years since I was into re-enacting - the only place I'm likely to have met him would be at the Battle Of Hasting re-enactment in the UK in 2000 or 2006, and if he was there he would have been among 1100 re-enactors. Possible. Certainly an interesting theory, but impossible to prove, particularly since most of these swords have been under the ground for hundreds of years, subject to all kinds of uneven pressures. But certainly a possibility, which I haven't heard of before. I think you're on the right track with the rivets - it's like treenails;most of the time they'd be all but invisible and it's debatable whether they should even be shown on models. It will take a fine hand . . .
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Yes, that would be rather confusing to all concerned (if they understood French!) I'd agree with you about tacking - I don't think it would happen, they'd only be wearing, but as Mark points out, that means the danger of gybing (even with what is the equivalent of a loose-footed sail) which could capsize the vessel rather too easily. Vangs appear on many, but not all pictures (both contemporary, and modern photos) of lateeners I've been able to find. I expect it's intended to keep the upper end of the yard from swinging too far to one side or the other. Dropping the halyard may well be faster, and it seems to be a fairly common practice on dhows, from the photos I've got. In fact it looks in this photo like the sail may be hauled up unfurled, fbut it's a bit hard to be sure whether the unfurled sail is attached to the yard they're hauling up or behind it. But the second photo seems to indicate the sail is down near the deck but unfurled. Yep. So it can be done (no rope ladders on my model). And yes, I've thought of adding a figure doing that, but it would be difficult to keep him from spinning around with only a single rope keeping him in place. There's no sign of "crows nests" until about the middle of the 13th century, much too late for my dromon. So any lookout would have to perch at the top of the mast any way he could . . . or maybe he could sit on the yard;
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Thanks for that information, Binho. I didn't know about that. I wonder if there were differences in construction depending on when the ship was built, as well?
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Looking good, Adam
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Thanks, Liteflight. I'm still thinking about the final configuration, but I have to say the guys hoisting the sail is appealing to me more and more. Oh, yes, I can see myself doing that - Quninquireme of Nineveh from distant Ophir, Rowing home to haven in sunny Palestine, With a cargo of ivory, And apes and peacocks, Sandalwood, cedarwood, ... Um . . . the song is alouette (lark), not allumette (matchstick). Makes much more sense that way. Apparently was used to teach soldiers French during WWII. It's a bit graphic, though, if I understand the words correctly - Lark, pretty lark, I'll pluck you . . .
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Looking really good. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the ocean and the weathering.
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I'd agree with you, Mark. However, in Björn Landström's book The Ship there's a copy of a 16th century watercolour by Rafaello (no, not the turtle) showing a galley (almost certainly just as unstable as a dromon) doing just that. It would take a fair bit of skill, I should imagine, to reduce the suddenness of the force as the sail changes position. But my experience in sailing is so minimal that I can only theorise. Landström is of the opinion that this watercolour was done using a model, but I'm hoping we can assume Rafaello actually did paint a manoeuvre he'd seen in real life.
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Glad to be of service.
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That's a fairly ambitious first build, though certainly quite a few people have started on something that complex and succeeded. On the other hand, a whaleboat such as the Model Shipways one - there's a build log here - might be a better project to begin on and develop the skills which will stand you in good stead when you move up to bigger and more complicated things, without being too overwhelming to start with.
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Welcome to MSW, Jim! When you start your build, make sure you also start a build log. It will give you access to advice and help from the members here as well as us getting to see your build in progress. Here'show to do it: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ And don't get too intimidated by other people's builds. There's a broad range of expertise here, from the complete newbie to people who can produce models of museum quality (and the latter seem to be amongst the most helpful people on MSW, I've found). Jump right in, and have fun with it!
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Welcome to MSW, Aaron! I've done a bit of work with bone and horn myself. Earlier in life I did mediaeval re-enactment and I've made combs and other artefacts from antler, but nothing of the quality you're doing. Choose something simple to start off with. Too many people start on something hugely complicated and intricate, get frustrated and disappointed and give it up. But if you begin with a relatively simple model, get success with it, you can then go on to the more advanced models as your skills and understanding improve. And once you've decided what to make, be sure you start a build log as well, so others can see your progress and give help, encouragement and advice. The instructions on how to start one are here: And you may have noticed that there are sections of the forum for questions on specific aspects of a build,such as planking, sails and rigging etc. If you have a question, this is often the place to go.
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Hi Salem, and welcome to MSW. There are instructional videos online. Google artesania latina swift 1805 instructions. There are quite a few videos out there - from a quick look through them it looks like you might have enough information just from these to be able to build the ship. When you start your build, make sure you start a build log as well. It's a great way to get help,advice and encouragement. (It also lets us see another beautiful model under construction). Instructions on how to start your log are at https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ You're bound to make mistakes at some point or other. Don't get too disheartened by them; we've all been there. Most of them can be repaired - and those that can't - well, treat it as a learning experience which you can apply to your next model. The members here are very supportive and helpful. And have fun with it - that's what it's all about.
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Welcome to MSW, Lynn. A number of ex-archers here, apparently (including me). Yes, when you start your build, make sure you also start a build log. It's a great way to get help, encouragement and advice. And the problems you encounter may already have been solved by someone else.
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