Louie da fly

Good progress, Ken. I'm looking forward to seeing the next step. Steven

A beautiful result, John! Steven

There's quite a few of us Aussies here. Welcome, Gaz! Do you have a ship you're planning to build? Steven

Well, this is a step forward in a way - when I first built the model I never got around to making and fitting the rudder. Most of what I've done so far is simply re-doing what I did way back then. But this is new. I'm not saying that means I'm getting close to finishing or anything like that, but it is nice to be doing something I haven't done before. Steven

I've made the chocks for the longboat and glued the chocks to the longboat and the hatch cover. I've dry fitted the assembly to the deck to give an idea of how it's going to work. I've finally decided not to continue trying to make the deadeyes out of wood - I just get too many failures from splitting. So I'm goingahead with card impregnated with CA. It works much better. Here's a strip of card to cut them from, and the three holes drilled with a bit made of a brass "sequin pin" (very useful, these - about the diameter of a dressmaker's pin but with a point like a nail, so it acts as a drill bit - you can get them from art supply shops). Trimmed to shape and the strop attached on one side: And carried around the other two sides. And a few deadeyes - some of wood and some of card. At this scale there's really no point in making chains for the lower end of the deadeye assembly - much too fiddly - so I'm just going to fake it with thread. When I made the model way back in the day I had no idea that chains existed anyway. I next went to work on the rudder. Here it is all cut out, with the tiller next to it. I thunk and thunk about how to attach the rudder to the sternpost - there's no way I'm going to make pintles and gudgeons at this scale. I went back to my tried and tested method of inserting pins. Those sequin pins are a Godsend. First photo shows them complete, the second one shows them trimmed to length. For the rudder irons I went back to my trusty aluminium foil catfood containers. They're purely for decoration. When I tried blacking the aluminium previously, I found the paint scraped off really easily. So this time I tried roughening the surface with sandpaper. It seemed to work, though I think I should have brushed off the sandings better as I seem to have got some grit in with the paint. But I don't think this is really a serious issue. I cut strips with a craft knife: I wasn't happy with my first attempt: So I did it a different way. I used CA glue in this case - PVA (white glue) doesn't stick to metal. And finally glued the rudder in place. Voila! Steven

If you have a fine enough drill you might be able to drill holes at each end of the part to be added, and insert a brass "sequin" pin (available at art suppliers - they're about the same diameter as a dressmaker's pin) in each hole, with a mating hole where the pin will go on the main body of the model. I used a cut-down sequin pin as my drill bit. The end of one of these pins isn't a perfect point - it's more like the point of a nail, so it acts like the cutting point of a drill. This is how I attached cleats to my dromon model: Mass produced cleats with holes for pins. Then I cut the piece into individual cleats. Then; And cleat in place: I hope this helps. Steven

Sooner you than me, mate . By the way, some time ago I was wondering what effect the "pointy at both ends" shape of Viking ships would have on whether the oar lengths would need to be different. So I asked someone (Cap'n Atli) who regularly rows a Viking ship reconstruction, and here's his reply. Thought it might be of interest to you in your build: http://forums.armourarchive.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=179436&p=2733651&hilit=longship+oar+length#p2733651 Steven

Nice save on the bulkheads being in the way of the deck beams. The build is going well. And looking good. I still can't get over the difference in the hull shape of reconstructions before and after the discovery of the Bremen cog. This is how they thought a cog would look - much narrower (at least at the top) than it turned out to be. Steven

Thanks, guys! Steven

Strictly, I'm a crow-eater - I was born in South Australia when my parents were over there for work, but I got out of by the time I was two and grew up in Attadale, so I regard myself as a West Australian. Steven

Of course they're honky nuts! Takes me back to when I was a boy scout and we went to a Jamboree in Victoria. All us sandgropers had woggles [A woggle is a device to fasten the neckerchief, or scarf, worn as part of the Scout or Girl Guides uniform, originated by a Scout in the 1920s] made of nice big honky nuts, which nobody else had because they don't grow big enough anywhere else. They hardly qualify as wood, though I don't know what else you'd call them. But I'm sure you've seen them after the weather has got to them; they are incredibly fibrous. They also make fantastic coals for a barbecue - just keep on glowing - I've never tried mallee roots, but I think they must be similar. Steven

That's a pretty place. Nice to live on the coast. No hurry about starting your build. It's not a race. Just enjoy yourself. Steven

Thanks, Druxey. Of course I can see all the faults in the paintwork, but I doubt I'll be able to do it any better, so I'm leaving it at that. Steven

Hi, Pat, and welcome to MSW. I agree with Bruce and Mark that you should start a build log when you begin your model. It's a very good way to get help and advice - and encouragement from the other members here. The instructions are at https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ Welcome aboard! Steven

I discovered some gaps between the planking, so I put filler in them. Later on I sanded it down again so it all looks nice and smooth now. Decided the paintwork on the top wale of the aftercastle was too rough so I sanded it down again. Discovered that though the red and white zig-zags on the starboard side were correct, those on the port side were facing the wrong way. So I fixed them. And now I've done all the painting I'm prepared to do. I've left some of the original paintwork unchanged, but most of it needed freshening up. Steven

I finally got to see the movie "The Dig". Very good indeed, despite the unnecessary additions to the story. Just a shame Basil Brown never lived to see that he finally got the credit for the discovery. They could have showed more of the treasure, though. Apparently someone was engaged to make exact copies of the artefacts for the movie, and when they had them out on display I recognised most of them from having seen them "in the flesh". Unfortunately the helmet was in so many fragments when found that it couldn't possibly be shown in the movie. Apparently Basil Brown excavated four of the mounds at Sutton Hoo, ending with the "big one" - something I hadn't been aware of. Steven

Hi Jas, and welcome to MSW. Where in WA do you live? As an old sandgroper I may know it - though I was raised in Perth I got around a fair bit. I'd also recommend you start a build log - and don't worry that your model might not be "good enough" (something i think worries a lot of people starting out). This forum caters to everyone from total newbies to the demigods of modelling who write textbooks on the subject, and everyone in between. And no matter what level of skill you're at people will be very helpful and friendly. The instructions for starting a build log for a kit are at https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ Welcome aboard! Steven

Hi, Smellycat (I've decided NOT to ask the origin of the name!) and welcome to MSW. We have two kinds of build log here - one for kits, the other for scratch builds. Your restoration isn't quite either one, but is nearer to a scratch build, so that's probably where you should put your log. The instructions are here. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-scratch-build-log/ Mark's advice is good. I'm doing a restoration myself (see below). It's actually very enjoyable (despite the occasional melt-down moment). If you have any questions or want to find something out during your restoration, ask on your log. The people here are very helpful and friendly. Good to have you on board. Steven

Welcome to MSW, Krupi. To start a build log, go to and follow the instructions there. It's a great way to get help and advice - and encouragement - during your build. Good to have you here. Steven

Hi Alan, and welcome to MSW. To start a build log, go to https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ Good to have you aboard. Steven

Hi Steve. That's a very nice looking model. To start a build log; if it's a kit, the instructions are here: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24705-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-build-log/ If you're building from scratch, use these instructions: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/8-before-you-post-your-build-log-please-read-this-starting-and-naming-your-scratch-build-log/ Good luck with it. You've already made a very good start. Once you've got your build log up and running, ask all the questions you want. Everybody's very helpful. Steven

I made my plug from pine - (following the technique Druxey used on his hospital barge) out of narrow pieces (lifts) laminated together horizontally, mirrored each side of the keel, because I wasn't sure I could get the two sides of the hull symmetrical. I screwed together the lifts for one side and smoothed this side off, using the sections I'd cut out of cardboard to check that I'd got the shape right as I went. Once I was happy with this side, I pulled it apart again and used its lifts as templates to modify the lifts of the other side. That way I had the best chance of getting the shape of the hull symmetrical. The full process is here: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/10344-10th-11th-century-byzantine-dromon-by-louie-da-fly-150-finished/page/2/ I also have doubts about masonite or any sort or fabricated board. I think you'd be better with actual wood. In my case, despite the inward-curving "tail" of the hull, I was able to lift the plug out of the hull in one piece (though I was very worried about it when it came to separating them). And the shape of your hull, with no tumble-home, should mean you can just lift the hull off the plug. However, making it able to be taken apart would give you more wriggle room. https://modelshipworld.com/topic/10344-10th-11th-century-byzantine-dromon-by-louie-da-fly-150-finished/page/9/ And - terribly important in my experience - WRAP YOUR PLUG IN CLING-WRAP! It keeps the hull and plug from sticking together, which you certainly don't want. Steven

A touch of brilliance. I'm sure you're right about the rough finish. I remember coming across a loom in a Turkish museum used in traditional weaving - it was as rough as bags, but obviously worked. What kind of wood did you use? That gumnut looks like it comes off a marri. (We had a big one in our backyard when I was growing up, and I've always loved them). Steven

And it seemed so simple. What could possibly go wrong? Steven

Funny. To me these are clothes pins. The Vikings and Anglo-Saxons used them to hold their clothes together. But whatever you call them, I find clothes pegs very useful, and you can get miniature ones from stationery or art suppliers, which are great in tight spaces. You can get some idea of scale from the glue bottle on the right. And plastic-headed push pins. Wonderful things. Though it's occurred to me that I may have overdone it a little on occasion . . . PS: What do you use the dental picks for? Steven