David Lester

Could be. The plans don't indicate, they just show a series of vertical lines which could mean either slats or bars. One thing I'm learning here though is that it's a tricky piece to model as the overall length is only 5/8"

Do you have these pictures, Dave? This discussion and the fact that I'll be tackling this job myself in the near future have set me searching and I found these pictures of the Bluenose. (I think they're actually the same picture, one is just a detail of the other.) It actually differs a little from the plans. It shows the window deeply recessed. Doing something like this would offer quite a bit of scope for improvisation. You could make the window itself as a separate unit; it could be as thick as you wanted and you could easily glue strips on the underside to secure the bars as only the top surface of the window frame would be visible. Once the window unit was built, it could then be set deep within the box. Anyway, I was interested and surprised to find these. David

I was just trying to solve the scale problem. I had some very fine wire, but I couldn't seem to get it to pull taut enough and even if I did, it was way too easy to touch it and bend it after it was in place. Most of the other Morgan builds I had seen had used brass rod that looked far too large to my eye and in most cases they had to reduce the number of bars to only three or four, which didn't look right to me. Even using this fine line (sorry, I don't recall what size I used) I still had to reduce the number of bars by a couple, but at least the scale and overall effect is more or less intact. I know my wood frame is a little on the heavy side, but I say "so sue me, it's the best I can do." If you have small brass pins they might very well work for the Bluenose as the span is small and the pin will be long enough, that wasn't an option for the Morgan, as the spans are longer. Perhaps you could make a rough mock-up of the frame, glue the pins to the underside and see how they hold up. If it appears that they're going to stay in place, then go ahead and use the method on the actual skylight. You could also try a mock-up using rigging line and see how you like that look (I know it will stay in place with ca glue.) I'm working on the Bluenose too and haven't come to the skylight yet, but as I recall from the plans there are many bars running vertically, is that right? You're right about this skylight being front and centre and it does need to look quite decent as it will draw the eye. The skylight on the Morgan is very well hidden on the finished model, so it's quite forgiving. I'm keen to see how you end up solving the question! David

Thank you Dave; I feel better. Forgive me Bob, but on second thought, I think you came down a little too hard on me. Of course, the bars are above the glass, but there is no glass at all in my skylight, or on most models that I've seen for that matter. There has to be "frame" or wood of some kind on top of the bars, otherwise the ends of the bars are exposed, so that's why I glued the line to the underside. I guess you could argue that the wood I used is too heavy, but the real point of my post was that at this scale, I think rigging line makes an acceptable substitute for a metal bar, and is very easy to glue in place. David

Dumb idea, sorry for suggesting it!

Here's what I did for the skylight on my Charles W. Morgan. I'm not sure if you would like this idea or not, but it was easy to do and I think it worked pretty well. Instead of metal, I used rigging line pulled taut. I first glued all the lines to one side of the frame using ca glue. I then pulled each one across and held it while the glue set at that end. Another way would be to string all the lines between nails on a board and then glue the frame down on top and trim the lines after the glue set. My problem for the Morgan was not having anything else that was small enough. The rigging line actually matches the size indicated in the plan which is pretty small. (I don't recall off the top of my head what that size was.) I'm not sure if that's as much of a problem on the Bluenose or not. If the metal pins you have are the right scale then you might very well prefer to use them, but the rigging line sure is easy to attach. David

Here is the nutshell version of my Bluenose build log to date. I previously had this build log on another forum, which I have now left and want to get it up and running here. Hull, Deck and Rails: The early stages of this build are very quick and easy. It’s not a difficult hull to plank. The deck is not too challenging either. I never know how best to finish the deck. Basswood takes a stain so poorly, so this time I simply used amber shellac which seems to work well enough. I know that many builders have found that the stern section of the rail doesn’t fit property. Mine didn’t quite fit either, so it necessitated making a new stern section. I did the rest of the rail in sections. The buffalo rail at the bow is an easy detail to add. The monkey rail which wraps around the stern and half way down the main rail is a bit tricky. I laminated two thin strips to make the curved portion at the stern. Deadeyes: I had to make a decision about how to approach the deadeyes. On the real Bluenose, they are secured with a bit of hardware that sits between the deadeye and the rail (not sure what it’s called.) The options were to try to recreate it with some brass wire, which I have seen many modelers do, or omit this detail altogether or opt for these cast pieces from BlueJacket. As you can see, I opted for the cast pieces. They capture the look of the real thing and I knew that I could never recreate the effect successfully myself without it looking too big and awkward. Chainplates: According to the plans and as shown in this picture, the chainplates are flush with the hull. The integral chainplates with these deadeyes would have been long enough to use them for the fore mast, but were too short to use for the main mast. On top of that, I knew I would never be able to inlay all twenty of them skillfully enough, so I cut them off at the waist I added strips of black construction paper. When all painted, it’s a compromise that I can easily live with. I used 1/16” masking tape for the white stripe, but I wasn’t sure how I was going to do the yellow stripe. According to the plans, the stripe is actually a groove running the length of the hull and is very narrow. There is almost no space above the scuppers to fit in and I was convinced it had to be very narrow to look right. So again, I made a compromise. I actually used a piece of styrene strip, .01” x .04” I painted it yellow, then glued it on. It's not strictly speaking correct, but if gives the effect and I know I could not have achieved a neater look any other way. Decoration: I practiced painting the decorations on black paper with a template cut out to the size and shape with key reference points marked. From a normal viewing distance of let’s say 50’ 🤗 it won’t look too bad. For the stern lettering I opted for the Masonic emblem rather than the Odd Fellows emblem. It was the Masonic one that it was launched with. I outlined my detective work on this subject in a separate thread: https://modelshipworld.com/topic/24244-bluenose-and-the-masons/?tab=comments#comment-713347 So that catches everybody up. Now on to the deck details. Thanks for looking in! David

2021 should be a great year to go to Lunenburg and visit the Bluenose II. It's the centenary of the launching of Bluenose. I'm sure there will be lots of extra celebration (and probably extra crowds too.)

Try either of these suppliers: https://www.agesofsail.com/ecommerce/fittings/hull-fittings/port-holes.html?p=1 https://www.cornwallmodelboats.co.uk/cgi-bin/ss000001.pl?page=search&SS=porthole+&PR=-1&TB=O&ACTION=Go! Your hull looks great so far. David

Don't sweat the planking too much. I'm a really crumby hull planker and could never produce a hull that could bear a natural finish. I rely a lot on sanding, wood filler and paint. If you're planning on painting your hull then you should be ok too. The important part is getting the hull faired properly. That's where you need to take your time. It's always tempting to get it over with as quickly as possible, but it really shouldn't be hurried. You may also have to build some bulkheads up with a thin strip. And don't worry about making a serious mistake. If you sand a bulkhead too much, you can just glue a strip on and re-shape it. Once you have the shape of the hull correct, then there shouldn't really be any problems with the planking that you can't solve by sanding and filling. If you plan on a natural finish then you need to work to a higher standard than I usually do, but if you're planning to paint it, you shouldn't have any problems. David

Hi Tony, I just finished this model and I used the 3/16" kit supplied strips. Bob Hunt's practicums are generally not bad, but he really drops the ball with the rigging for POB. Take his rigging instructions with a grain of salt and spend a lot of time studying the plans. They're a bit hard to decipher, but everything you need to know is there. That was my experience. Best of luck and stay safe. David

Thank you GrandpaPhil and Bob. Much appreciated. Bob - I don't have a lot of experience with woods other than basswood. I tend to be an "out of the box" builder, with only minor changes. I don't have too much trouble working with basswood, but of course you can't really scrape profiles into the edges of railings or any detailing of that sort of thing. My biggest complaint about it is how hard it is to get a decent natural finish on it. It tends to take stain poorly, with blotchy results. This isn't too big an issue for me generally as I prefer painted models rather than ones left natural, so basswood works just fine in that case. It does tend to stay a bit fuzzy no matter how much you sand it, so the secret is to get paint on it sooner rather than later, even if it still seems a bit fuzzy and sand it well between coats of paint - the fuzziness problem will go away. However, on this ship there is quite a bit of natural woodwork on the deck furnishings. This was a bit of a challenge for me to finish. My end result might be a tad too orange, but it's not very far off the real ship. I find that watered down acrylic artists' paint works better on basswood than stain. So I used a bit of orange mixed with a bit of yellow and plenty of water. I topped it with amber shellac. At least it didn't go blotchy and looks fairly natural. The deck on the real ship is quite a dark colour and I knew that finishing the basswood would be a problem no matter what I did so I opted to change the wood for the deck. I ordered .5mm strips in the appropriate width (3mm I think) and laid them over a solid thin subdeck. I got the strips from Cornwall Model Boats. They had both cherry and tanganyka in the right size. I wasn't sure which would be best and since it wasn't expensive, I ordered both. When it came it was in two unlabeled bundles and I literally couldn't tell the two apart, so I just dumped them all into one bin. They were completely indistinguishable from each other. Nevertheless it was all very nice to work with and stained beautifully. So, to answer your question about substitution of wood, I wouldn't worry about changing it for the hull planking, the basswood will work just fine. It will work just fine too for the painted parts of the deck furnishings (basically the walls and coamings of the components.) You might consider changing it for the decking, mainly because it will be hard to finish the basswood and I suppose if you wanted to, it would be a nice touch to upgrade the wood for the railing and the parts of the furnishings that have a natural finish.(basically, the roofs or tops.) The only things I upgraded other than the decking were the blocks and the rigging line. I've gotten so I really hate kit supplied blocks and the Model Shipways rigging line isn't all that nice. I've used Syren and Bluejacket blocks in the past and like both of them, but for this model I decided to try the ones from Master Korabel which I bought from Chris Watton. They are very good too. I would love to use Syren rigging line, but I tend to be a very profligate rigger and would have a fit for every inch of Syren line that I wasted. The Amati line from Cornwall Model Boats is a compromise that works well for me - it's pretty good to work with, the colour of the natural line is great and I find it to be quite affordable, even when I cut off a piece about three times as long as I actually need. You will find the instructions with this kit to be useless. In fact I almost never even refer to them. The plans however are excellent. There are six sheets and every detail is there. So far as I can tell, they are very accurate and true to the real ship. Of course they aren't much help with respect to sequence and often you have to flip among several different sheets to find everything you need for a particular aspect. If I have any complaint about them, it's the rigging sheets. There are two rigging sheets and there is a bit too much information on each one. It would be easier to decipher if it was spread out over three sheets. Nevertheless, it's all there; it just takes a bit of work to ferret it out. I chose this model for a couple of reasons - it really is a very beautiful ship, the model isn't too large, it doesn't break the bank to buy it, there are plenty of resources on-line for reference and there isn't too much rigging. (Three masted, square rigged ships just seem to daunting to me anymore.) I would certainly encourage you take on your POBPOB (plank on bulkhead Pride of Baltimore) next. I think you'll find it a great project. David

My Pride of Baltimore II is now finished. I added the rope coils, the railing and stanchions along the top as well as the running lights. I meant to mention the baggywrinkles earlier, but forgot. I tried many different ways to make them and nothing would work. In the end, I decided I'd been overthinking it and just used some pieces of wool. I found some wool the right colour and about the right size. I simply cut it into lengths and threading it onto the line and glued it. On close inspection it's obvious what it is, but from a slight distance, it certainly gives the right effect. On the real ship, the stanchions for the rail are just a dull metal colour. The ones I have were brass, so I blackened them only slightly so that they aren't quite black, but aren't bright shiny brass either. I always have trouble getting my rope coils to behave. I use Amati hemp from Cornwall Model Boats for the rigging and it's very nice line to use. However I can never get it to coil easily. The coils always want to go too round without appearing to hang. To solve the problem, I switch to crochet/tatting thread for the coils. I found one that matches really well and it's essential to use a very small size. It's Lizbeth thread, size 40, colour - medium mocha brown. This stuff is very soft and I find it much easier to use and it's virtually impossible to notice any difference. If anyone is contemplating building this model, I can highly recommend it. It's a really good kit and the plans are very accurate. There are many resources available for confirmation and I found virtually no discrepancies. Many thanks for your interest, and everyone, please stay well. David

I have now essentially finished the rigging. I haven't posted during the rigging phase as it wasn't very interesting and it simply progressed in the usual way. I had one minor setback though. I had the same problem on a previous model, but failed to learn the lesson. I managed to break both the aft cross tree on the fore mast and the long spreader on the main mast. In both cases I had quite a bit of rigging already attached. I attempted to repair the breaks, but the result was pretty bad, so I had to undo the rigging and replace both broken pieces. The lesson I failed to learn is to not use the kit supplied basswood for these parts. There's a fair bit of tension on them and when I caught my finger on attached lines, it was enough to snap the parts. The basswood really isn't quite strong enough. It's much better to use some walnut or other hard wood for these parts which is what I did for the replacements. I suppose it would also work to use some very thin sheets and build up the thickness plywood style. I definitely will not forget this next time around. Three jobs left to do - add the rope coils on the belaying pins - touch up the paint in a couple of places - and add the rope railing that runs along the top rail. It's not included in the kit, but I found some really great stanchions for it at Cornwall Model Boats. I opted to omit the netting that hangs below the jibboom. I know that I simply couldn't model it in such a way that it would enhance the model, so I just left it off. This model has two turnbuckles which are placed just aft of the fore mast near the top. I've seen several methods for making them on-line, but I don't really have the metal working skills required and in most cases I think the results tend to look a bit bulky and over scale, so I made dummy ones by sanding down a dowel to a very small diameter and adding a small eyebolt at each end. I think they fit the bill ok and are scaled according to the plan. I always struggle a bit with some of the running rigging when not using sails. The plans show the model with sails and there is always a bit of tweaking involved by eliminated some of it and adapting some of it. I'm sure I haven't hit it 100% correct, but oh well. So, I'm really in the home stretch now. Thanks for your comments and likes. David

Do these pictures help? Original Bluenose Bluenose II

Hello All, In my last post I was experimenting with ways to make the baggywrinkles. I found this “cleaning mitt” which looked like an ideal solution. It would have been perfect, however the scale was way too big, and the pieces fell apart if I tried to cut them down. So I prowled the dollar store and found this cat toy. These little thingys would have been perfect, as they were about the right scale, but when I cut them off and attempted to thread them on the line, they just crumbled, so it’s back to the drawing board for the baggywrinkles. At this point, the deck and hull are pretty much finished; later I just have to add the stanchions and rope railing along the rail. I really hated the supplied life rings. They are cast, including the rope that surrounds them, which looked ridiculous to my eye, so I found these ones at Bluejacket without rope and then I added some rope myself. Not actually all that much fun to do, but the result is well worth it. You may notice that I have omitted the airports that run down both sides of the deck. The ones provided have a large rim that protrudes above the surface, and I just hated the look of it. I did use them on the cabins, but I hated the thought of them on the deck. I know I can buy flush ones, but they would have required very precise holes to be drilled and I doubted my ability to do that 14 times. One misstep and the whole deck would have been ruined. The supplied ones with the large rim would have been forgiving and the holes easy to drill, but I opted to omit them nevertheless. I was perplexed by the colour of the hull. It never appears the same twice in any of the pictures I find. It seems to change over the course of a season in the water. However, I found a picture of the hull being painted, so I used that one as my guide and managed to find a decent enough match. I’m now well into the rigging and it’s always the same – as I near the end of the woodworking part of the build, I can’t wait to start the rigging and then as soon as I’m into it I wonder why I was so anxious to begin. In any case, it’s going fine. I have been experimenting with upgraded blocks. On my CW Morgan I used Bluejacket cast blocks for the larger ones and Syren for the smaller ones. Both were great. For this model, I am trying Master Korabel which I bought from Vanguard Models. In addition to being good looking, these ones are also nice to use. They have very sharp grooves cut into each corner and the line really grabs. They never slip out of place. However, they are so finely made, that every hole has to be re-drilled to get the rigging line through. I recreated the star decoration on the bowsprit on the computer. So that’s it for now. Many thanks, David

Happy New Year Everyone! I have been pretty derelict in my posting lately, so thought I better do something before the build gets too far along. The hull is pretty much finished, bulwarks installed and top rail in place. The upper hull and inner bulwarks are painted. I'm still debating on the shade of green I'm going to use on the lower hull. The stern caused me a bit of trouble. I never manage to get a perfectly symmetrical hull, which doesn't matter too much when you view the side of the model, but it's more noticeable when viewed from one end or the another. So, just as a carpenter has to do some fudging to get square factory made kitchen cabinets to fit into an out of square kitchen, I had to do quite a bit of tweaking to get the lettering and other details to fit an out of whack stern. This isn't the best stern I've produced, but after many tries, this is the one I'm going to live with. I've started in on the deck furniture. There is a ton of it on this ship and the tolerances are pretty small - very little space between components. I know from experience that if I simply start at one end and work to the other that I'll either have no space left or too much space left. I was particularly concerned about that on this ship because of the number of items. That's the reason that I didn't build the coamings in before I planked the deck, which is my preferred method. I opted to have all of the pieces finished and moveable before fixing any of them in place. My only exception is for the fife rails which I like to do first and get them positioned and then locate the other things working from the fife rails in both directions. This ship has a lot of natural honey coloured woodwork and I was concerned about duplicating the look with basswood which is notoriously difficult to finish. My solution seems to be ok. It's a light wash of orange acrylic paint, very watered down, then followed up with a couple of coats of orange shellac. One detail that this ship has that I haven't run across before is "baggywrinkles." I've been wondering how I'm going to recreate those. I asked a friend who is an avid knitter if she had any fuzzy wool, so she gave me these samples: I might be able to make one of them work, but then yesterday I spied this in the grocery store and bought it on spec: In many ways it looks less like a cleaning mitt than a baggywrinkle dispenser! If this proves to be my solution, it looks like I have a lifetime supply of baggywrinkles. That's where I'm at for now. Many thanks for looking int. David

Good Morning, A little more progress on my POB. I took this picture at the Tall Ships Challenge this summer and have been working to try to replicate the colours on the deck. The deck on this ship is quite dark (and actually a bit rough looking.) I wanted to get a dark colour for my deck, but hopefully not quite as rough. I used a .5 mm veneer strip (I believe it's cherry) and then painted it with watered down acrylic paint, a mixture of brown and orange. It was so thin that it worked more like a stain than a paint. I then finished it with amber shellac. The result is pretty much the effect I was after. After a bit of experimentation, I found red and yellow colours that match the actual ship pretty well. (That's yellow masking tape on the outboard edge of the plankshear, not a really poor paint line.) Installing the stanchions looked like a daunting task to me. The instructions show installing them all first and then planking them afterward. I knew I would have trouble getting them all at the right angle. I have Bob Hunt's practicum for this kit, and while I haven't been following it, I did use the method that Bob suggested for this job. He suggested building each section of bulwarks between the gunports off the model, (spacing the stanchions correctly of course,) and then installing each as a sub assembly. This method is proving to work very well. In the photo below, the sections are just sitting in place for the picture, not glued in yet. I'm also painting each section before installing it. I can't imagine painting those stanchions successfully after they're installed. That's all for now. It looks like a really windy and rainy day shaping up, so a good one to spend in my workship. David

Good Morning, Brief update - One problem I often encounter is this: early on in the build, before planking the hull, I glue pieces of scrap the mast mortises and then cut a rectangular tenon on the ends of the masts and fit them snugly in the mortises. So far so good. However, much later, when I square up the top ends of the masts, I often have trouble getting the square exactly in the right plane. If I leave it like that, the mast top isn't properly aligned and it can't be left that way. In order to fix it, I end up trimming the lower tenon, so I can rotate the mast, but it results in a very loose and poor fit and I wonder why the heck I spent so much time getting the tenon to fit well in the first place. This time, I'm trying something different. I padded the mast mortises with scraps of wood, so that they are actually square rather than rectangular. Then I carved round tenons on the masts. They fit very snugly and at the right angles. Now my hope is that later I can simply rotate the masts to line up properly without losing the nice snug fit. Planking - I have to admit it - I am probably the world's worst hull planker. It's never my favourite part of the build and I never approach it with a good attitude. The POB is a single planked hull and I was not happy with the job I was doing. On top of that, the plans indicate planks 1/8" wide but the provided strips are 3/16" wide which doesn't look quite right to me. I was fretting about it all, but I think I have a solution. I had bought some cherry from Cornwall Model Boats that is .5mm x 3mm to upgrade the decking and I bought a ton of it. (Might as well get my money's worth out of the shipping fee, right?) 3mm is approximately 1/8" so I am going to double plank the hull with this material. It's so thin that it's really just a veneer, but I think it's going to address my problem. Once I made this decision, I was able to finish the first layer without more fretting, as I knew I would just sand the heck out of it and use a lot of wood filler. I've now got a good smooth solid base, (although ugly as sin,) and I'm ready for the veneer layer. Thanks again for your comments and likes. David

Hi Jack, Your perseverance is better than mine. I've pretty much abandoned my build of this kit. I've identified so many problems with its design that it's defeating me. I'm not the best hull planker in the world to start with, and I'm finding this clinker style very difficult. It's almost impossible to tell how much taper to give each plank at the bow and stern and it's not clear from the instructions how high up the planking is supposed to go. Also the planking seems far too heavy for the light framework of the model and I found it almost impossible to bend. Then there is supposed to be a thin walnut plank on top of the planking, but it appears as though the bulkheads have run out by that time and it's just edge glued to the plank below which seems almost impossible to me. I hate to give up on this kit as it's a handsome little model, but I'm not sure I have the patience for it. Your clinker planking is much better than my attempts were, so it seems you're off to a decent start. I'll be watching with interest to see how you overcome the other various problems. With hope maybe I can gain some encouragement from your results. All the best. David

Good Morning, I have been progressing slowly on my POB; too many leaves to rake and too much painting at my daughter's house to do! I've attached the plankshear and wales. This plankshear is a tricky piece to position correctly. As is so often the case, the location of the gunports is key. I think I have it more or less in the right spot. I hate to add paint this early on in the process, but I couldn't think of another way to get a good crisp delineation between the yellow and the black where the plankshear and the wales meet the hull. I have now completely covered this area with masking tape to protect it while I proceed to other areas. The plankshear is yellow outboard and dark red inboard. I've scored it with a razor blade to help with the delineation when I add the red paint and the inboard side. The plankshear doesn't actually fit the hull very well. No matter what I did it came up about a half inch too short. This has to be a design flaw, because even allowing for minor differences in the way the hull is shaped or faired from one builder to another, a half inch is a lot. By getting the holes for the stanchions where it appears they ought to be according to the plan, the shortfall was at the bow. I ended up cutting off the mating ends of the plankshear and making a new piece to fill in the space at the bow. It looks a little rough at this stage, but there is much to add at this location which will virtually bury it. Parts of the framework appear discoloured because I wasn't happy with its location on my first attempt and decided to remove it and relocate it. Dissolving the glue spread the black paint around a little bit. So, that's all for the time being. I'm now about to start planking the counter and lower transom. David

I haven't thrown it across the room, although many years ago I did throw a garden bench I was building across the room. The top and bottom rails for the back had dados in them and there was a series of slats that had to line up perfectly in order to get the top rail on. It did not go well. However I managed to salvage it and we used it for many years. I've decided to plank the hull conventionally and see how that looks. David

Jim, Maybe I'll just plank it normally and leave it at that. Thanks for the suggestion. It isn't too late; I haven't thrown it across the room yet. David

Well, I'm just about ready to throw this thing across the room. I have made four attempts to plank it, never getting more than three planks on and then dissolving the glue and starting over. I was hoping it would be a little in-between project bringing me nothing but joy😀, but it is the most aggravating difficult thing I've tried to do out of all the models I've built. There are many problems to solve: the bow and stern are identical, so if I try to use one plank for the whole length, it has to be cut and fitted perfectly at each end, rather than fitting it only at the bow and just cutting it off at the stern - the planks overlap, so it's very difficult to figure out how much to taper each one at the ends - I don't know what the planking wood is, but it's very hard, very thick and is too heavy and inflexible to work with against the weak and flimsy framework. If this hull was about 24" long with sold bulkheads it might be ok but as it is it's like framing a wall with 2x2's and trying to nail 2x4's on as the siding - and last, but far from least I simply cannot get this clinker planking to blend from the overlap into a flush fit at the bow and stern without looking like hell. As you have probably inferred by now, I am not having fun with this one, so it's going to have an indefinite time-out and I'm going to focus on my Pride of Baltimore. At least I didn't spend much money on it. David

You're coming along pretty well. I had quite a bit of trouble with the plankshear on my CWM too, not so much it breaking, but rather I couldn't seem to maintain a consistent projection from the hull for the length of the ship. If you're unhappy with the look of your plankshear, I would echo Landlubber Mike's suggestion to sand it smooth with the hull and then apply a new piece over top. That's what I did as well. It gave a very crisp look and it's a very easy fix. David