garyshipwright

Thank's very much Mark P  for all of your help. Gary

Thank you very much Hubac's and hopfully I have another up date some time in the near future. 

Well guys, sort of out done my self this time on updates, figure it was time to work on the mast to make sure it fit in place before I can't get to certain places. After a couple of daysI finally got the fore mast looking some thing like a mast, but still a long way to go with it but its a start. Have to say thank you to Alan and druxey for info on the mast and helping me bring it to life. 

Thanks Siggi. It's no problem, the new photo show's what was missing, the  over head view of the forcastle. Thank you again Gary

Looks good Siggi. On the one photo that you showed  how you  draw out the size of the main headrail what angle are you using? Thank's Gary

Have to agree with you 100 percent No Idea. Really outstanding work Albert. Been watching your build and she is really growing. 

Thank you Chuck, its nice to be back to working on her. 

Thanks you Albert.

Thank you druxey and your very welcome. 

Hi Every one, Its been awhile since my last update and most probably figure I fell off the ends of the world. Well the misses sent me a life line and  finally went back to doing some thing on her. I sort of been stuck  on the cables and how the messenger was routed. Ben from Ropes of Scale help me on the cable and Druxey gave me the ideal about the snatch block.  So  I went to work on making a snatch block for the messenger using Lee's measurement, from his  book The Masting and Rigging of English ships. It didn't come out to bad But I leave that up to you. 

Hi pm. I do believe that the showing of the eyebolts on the outside were a french/continental preference. But am also not sure that this was that, a preference. When you go through the photo's of the models in  the Musee de la Marine collection, Historic Ship models you will see that most  of them do not have the through bolts on the outside just like the English models in the NMM.  Doesn't mean they didn't do it but each country did things a little different in their ship building. In one of the contract that I have, and was written in 1782 for a 74 gun ship, which I believe  was also used for the Bellerophon, has information on how the eyebolts were installed for the gun ports.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 To have four Ring, and two Eye bolts to each gun port with bolts of 1 3/8 inches diameter two of the ring bolts to be place in the second timber from the port, the rings 5 inches diameter in the clear, the eye sufficiently open for the tackle hooks. To have sufficient number of ring bolts on the deck for the guns, with bolts of  1 1/8 inches diameter and for the stoppers with bolts of 1 5/8 inches diameter the diameter of the rings of the stopper bolts 6 1/2 inches in the clear with short snug eyes, let well down into the deck and the ends of the bolts to be clenched.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    To have two eye bolts over each port for lashing the guns of 1 1/4 and to be placed as high as possible , to give the better room for securing the muzzle of the gun on the clamp, the eyes to be 2 5/8 inches in the clear, the ring and eye bolts to be well forelocked and so well let in, as  only to let the ring have play, the bolts that forelock with out board to have short thick points and fore lock holes that the rings may be let into the wood in belaying them.                                                                                                                                                                   It is  your model and if you want to show the through bolts,  that is total up to you and others. It is a nice detail but I think I will wait  on the next one that I do. This is a little late  but maybe it might help the next person. Gary                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              

Hi Siggi. I gain a lot of information when going through your log and really enjoy what the crew is doing, which is a really outstanding job. Watching what your doing really help's my crew carry on with building Montague/Alfred.   Look forward to the next job that your crew under takes in the coming future.  

The pear wood has been sold. 

Outstanding Piotrek. What a wonderful build and the detail is out of this world. Thank you for giving us the chance to look at and enjoy your build on a very well built ship model. Gary

Hi Kevin I have to agree with you on the movement because Alfred's frames did the same thing when I was trying to sand them down. One of the things I did, is along the same lines but I made some temporary ribbands and use bread ties to tie then in place. Didn't think about PVA at that time You can get roll's  of this stuff, at a cheap price.  The photo's below show some of the temporary ribbands. 

Alan you will know when its finished when you ran a plank across it and your fingers feel  nothing but a level  area from bow to stern. This and when  your happy with it. It looks like your have a lot of fun but she does look good from my screen. Another thing you could do is cut some small battans and planks and tie them to the hull at different  height and  this will help you figure out if its faired. Of course you already knew this about the above items. Gary

Nice job Toni, you done a heck of a job and enjoyed watching you build it. Thanks for sharing. Gary

Bitao, that is one outstanding build you have going. She is looking great and ship shape. Look forward to your next update. Gary

Looking good Alan. Now were have I seen this hull before? When it came to Alfred those many years ago I broke up a glass from a picture frame and use the pieces to help me with all the differnt angle's and tight places.  Do be carefull if you do. Can't ever remember cutting my self, not sure were I read this.

Good Evening Mark and thank you. That's not good, search results being very limited. Seems it could cause a big traffic jam and long waiting list.  I spent a few hour's today and yesterday looking through their plans but never found one of the Queen, accept a deck plan. Well the search goes on.  Once again thank you. Gary

Thanks Druxey. Well I will give Pen and Sword Books  a try. Thank guys. Gary

Thank's Druxey I have already done that, just have not heard any thing back. Hi Siggi  your right sir they do have plans but as you said not this one and thank you. Hi Bruce. am not sure but can you let me know how I go about finding that out, picture credit that is.  Thanks again guys.  Gary

Hello every one. I have a question and hope that you good folk's can help shed some light on this. I am trying to find this print of the Queen of 1769 in Arnold and Henry Kriegstein newest book which is a joy to read and looking at the model's in his book, Historic Ship Models of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries in the Kriegstein Collection. The photo is on page  245 of the Queen of 1769, a second rate which says that it is draft shown to King George 3rd in 1773. I have contacted the NMM for a number and maybe getting a copy but with out the plan number it a little on the hard side.  I did go through the plan site that Allan showed us but no Queen of 1769. I also have been looking through the NMM site for it but so far nothing. I also sent a email about it to seaforth publishing but nothing back from them yet. Any help would be great and most helpful. Thanks guys. Look forward in hearing from you. Gary

Very well put good sir,

8 hours ago, shipman said:

Hi there Gary.

This is something that baffles me with any kind of modelling.

I will never understand the dubious idea that considerable work on what will be entirely invisible details has any merit whatsoever.

I do accept pleasure derived is worthwhile....but then to hide it with the thought that you know it's there?

A much more efficient and logical approach surely is to make use of that much neglected but most valuable of tools....imagination.

Life is short enough as it is.

Hi Shipman. You are right and time is short but one can think of it like this. When you build your ships you probably get a lot of enjoyment out of it, just like myself and others. Building the inside I get just has much enjoyment as building the out side even through we won't see it, that is unless you take photo's of them.  A lot of folks like you self also don't like building the inside, but that's ok because there is also a lot of folks like to build the inside.  It like building a 32 pounder on the gun deck. It takes awhile and building a cannon with a lot of detail just to be hidden by the upper deck,  will not be seen so why build them. Guess because I like building them and installing as much detail as my skill will let me.  They are just going to be hidden any way and all you will see is the barrel of the cannon. But I still get enjoyment out of building them and adding the detail to them hidden or not. I build them because of the sheer enjoyment that one get's from building a ship. You say that you will never understand the dubious ideal that considerable work on what will be entirely invisible details has any merit what so ever.  Well  a lot of folks like building the inside knowing that one day it will be covered up. The question is who's merit???? If you get merit out of you building then you must be enjoying it much as I do, making the parts and pieces that go in to it. Of course you may never understand it unless you do it. Which is your chose but getting the enjoyment out of your build is the most important thing.  Here is a photo of the magazine that one can not see now in her hold but can be seen with a photo, no pun intended good sir.