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The designated plane guard would vary from day to day, maybe even from flight op to flight op. The duty would generally fall to the smaller escorts (ie. FF, FFG, DD, maybe DDG, but not a CG or CGN).

Wow, this is better than 95 percent of Hollywood productions (and all of the crap served up by the “History” Channel).

Thx for sharing!

Bare wood decks, specifically teak, also offer decent traction. Painted decks (absent non-skid grit) can be pretty slippery when wet.

In my experience (minimally-manned FFGs) the underway watch rotation varied by steaming condition (where we were and what the threat level was) and by the particular manning of each division. For example, on a particular deployment the FCs managed a “normal” watch rotation (4 on, 8 off) but the OSs were short qualified watch standers and had to run 6 on, 6 off.

But then we FCs also had to maintain and repair our equipment between watches. The OSs just broke stuff then called the ETs to come fix it while they slept.

On deployment the needs of normal watch rotation; equipment maintenance/repair; UNREPs; flight ops; GQ, fire, DC, and engineering drills (and actual events); housekeeping, training, etc, ensured that everyone was sleep deprived…always.

Not to highjack the conversation, but want to also thank you for sharing your CAD images, especially the somewhat obscure weapons, directors, and other antennas. I have the 1/350 Orange Hobby USS BOSTON (CAG-1) in the stash and your research will help me modify the kit to a 1964-66 fit (my dad’s tour as AA gunnery officer and then navigator). So thanks again for sharing all of your hard work.

Cheers,

Keith

22 hours ago, amateur said:

nice.....

 

Just a technical question on the ship: there are two tubes/lines/cables (?) around the hull, what are those? 

 

Jan

 

“Masker” system

A guy with the handle “Sargentx” used to post on the other site and created a series of very helpful tutorials on color theory, atmosphere, seascapes, etc. I think he’s a professional artist and made some breathtaking models. His seascape series is here:

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=155661

HTH,

Keith

Lol…that tarantula is sure to get attention.

Not to stray too far, but Daniel asks “I mean, really, who mans a capstan in their dress blues?”

I’m a bit young to have served during the period when manual capstans were used, but at least in the US Navy in the 1970s and ‘80s, dress uniforms were common for topside sea and anchor detail personnel when entering or leaving ports not your home port or your home port when leaving or returning from deployment. This included the line handlers and anchor detail and was a major PITA when dress whites were prescribed. We usually kept two sets of whites, one specifically for sea and anchor detail.

Cheers,

Keith

On 8/26/2021 at 2:00 PM, lmagna said:

 No wonder it was so hard to feed the crew while at sea on these ships! it looks like from the drawings that there is no means provided to transport the meals to the mess, (wherever that is) without having to go onto the open deck! I always knew that the Flowers were strange ducks in many ways, but this pretty much takes the cake.

The crew’s mess was all the way forward. On the early Flowers, before the focsle deck was extended back to the pilot house and enclosed below, the only access to this berthing/messing compartment was via the exposed foredeck. I seem to recall Nicholas Monserrat (sp?) touching on this “inconvenience” in “The Cruel Sea” or “Three Corvettes,” both highly recommended if you haven’t already read.

Cheers,

Keith

Also beware the difference between “tung oil finish,” the stuff you find at the big box and hardware stores, and “pure tung oil,” the real stuff. I think the first is more like a polyurethane and just uses the words “tung oil” for marketing. Pure tung oil is harder to find and takes more effort and time to apply, but eventually hardens and oxidizes to a beautiful, natural, water resistant finish…for gun stocks, furniture, and other knick knacks.

I use this micro-saw:

https://www.umm-usa.com/catalog/tools_JLC.html

Tiny mitre box is also useful.

HTH,

Keith

To tag onto the thread, any thoughts on whether or not a boat interior would also be painted? I suspect not the floor boards, but what about the ribs and interior of the hull planking?

Thanks ahead,

Keith

On 1/28/2021 at 2:58 AM, lmagna said:

Thanks El

I'm a bit of a dummy when it comes to post WWII and modern Navy

None of us are expert on everything (or anything maybe). I only responded because I had the referenced book (Sumrall) on the shelf next to me when I read your post.

Cheers,

Keith

Watched the Netflix movie last night and liked it. Interesting story, really good cinematography and lighting, and Fienes’ depiction of Brown was excellent. The romantic side stories felt contrived and unnecessary. Wife, a true Anglophile, really enjoyed it.
 

Cheers,

Keith

3 hours ago, lmagna said:

Great paintings as always Jim. Do you know what the gear on the fantails of both destroyers is? All I could think of for the time period would be a DASH helicopter, but that would have been located forward of the aft turret where the torpedo tubes used to be. This looks more like mine sweeping gear or something. Could it be some kind of SONAR tow gear?

Yep, it’s the SQA-10 VDS (variable depth sonar).  (Sumrall 1995.  Sumner-Gearing Class Destroyers. pp. 212-215)

Looking forward to this build, Mosquito was (is) an awesome a/c.
 

One of my all time favorite air combat memoirs was written by a Mossie navigator...
 

https://www.amazon.com/Terror-Starboard-Seat-David-McIntosh/dp/0773730893

Cheers,

Keith

There’s a new Flower on the market. I haven’t seen the kit yet, but other products and kits from this manufacturer get rave reviews...
 

https://blackcatmodels.eu/en/royal-navy/223-flower-class-corvette-short-forecastle.html

Another vote for Lego blocks.

“However, we modellers are also in a sort dilemma: if you would behold a real ship equivalent to the typical viewing distance, say at reading distance, you wouldn't see much of the small detail. But then we modellers stick our noses close to our models and then you should see the details, but they are not there. Effectively, we have to design for a multitude of viewing distances, also because the eye (and brain) instinctively looks for things that should be there, even if they objectively would not be visible”.

And considering we like to share photos of our work, one must also consider the unforgiving view provided by the macro lens.

Cheers,

Keith

For your reading list, if you haven’t already:
 

https://www.amazon.com/First-Team-Pacific-Combat-Harbor/dp/159114471X

Encyclopedic yet engaging coverage of the aircraft, tactics, and personalities.

Cleat belay video...
 

https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&channel=iphone_bm&ei=mBZ5X6H1J-2uytMPxpmEwAg&q=how+to+cleat+belay++a+line&oq=how+to+cleat+belay++a+line&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBAgeEAo6BAgAEEc6AggAOgQIABAeOgYIABAIEB46BAgAEA06CAgAEAgQBxAeOgYIABANEB46CAgAEAgQDRAeULFiWON9YMmGAWgAcAF4AIABeIgB9AWSAQMxLjaYAQCgAQHIAQjAAQE&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

Hatchways were (are) often aligned vertically to allow raising or lowering large or heavy objects from or to lower decks,  therefore ladders were removable. This would obviously also allow for freeing space for the capstan bars.  Vertically aligned hatches and removable ladders continue in modern warships, allowing removal/installation of equipment in engineering spaces.

Was a 5-speed as I recall...a friend had one. The rest of us on single speed Schwins.  We did make a lot of mods...sissy bars, chopper forks, etc.  Fond memories.