SardonicMeow

Ships are living things that change over time.  I am approaching a point where I'll have to make some decisions about what specific point in time I'll depict in my model.  Here are two pictures of the Sultana.  The top one is from the blog ship25bsa.smallsquareddesigns.com and was taken August 2003.  The lower picture was taken by me in October 2018.

The most obvious change is the black stripe painted between the planksheer and caprail.  The nameplate at the bow was changed to match.  The painted figurehead in the older picture is a rare sight.  Nearly every other picture I've found has the figurehead solid white, and I plan to keep it that way.  There are other minor changes (like the pintles and gudgeons I have pointed out), as well as other minor details not visible in these pictures.

What do you think?  Do you prefer the older look or the newer look?  I think I'm leading toward the older version.

Here's another comparison picture.  Top is from the blog 829southdrive.blogspot.com November 2014 and the bottom is another of mine from October 2018.

It's not obvious from the top picture, but the band between planksheer and caprail is painted black.  However, the bow nameplate is still light.  Note the light gammoning rope.  The only other time I've seen it light is in pictures of the Sultana at launch.  I'll be using black gammoning in my model.  The big difference in these pictures is the change in the style of anchor.

On 4/29/2019 at 9:53 AM, MtZigg said:

Would love to see this link but it is  404 .Any way  to retrieve it?

http://www.shipsofscale.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=52&t=539

Clare's build log of the Independence can be found on his website.

3 hours ago, Overworked724 said:

Was it brush or airbrush?

Brush.  I thinned the paint a little, which is why it took several coats, but helped to keep the paint smooth.  As long as my brush strokes followed the flow of the planks, they were nearly unnoticeable.

Strips for the wales were bent, painted black, and glued into place.  The contrast between the black wales and the light hull colors is striking.

3 hours ago, Overworked724 said:

What paint did you use?

Artist acrylic, because that's what I had on hand.  Naples Yellow from Liquitex was the closest match I could find for the yellow color of the hull.

The hull was painted.  Multiple coats were required for good coverage.

A bad cold and a variety of obligations made me put the build on hold for a few weeks.

The deck has been stained.  In spite of lots of sanding, there was still enough glue to make the stain cover inconsistently.  However, if you look at pictures I've posted of the deck earlier, there is some inconsistency due to weathering, so I'm not too upset.

The bulwarks were added and painted red on the inside.  Figuring out the right height for the bulwarks was a challenge.  Six slots for the scuppers were added on each side of the main deck.  I did not completely succeed in making them perfectly rectangular.

Here's an image of the scuppers on the real ship.

How does it look with the bowsprit dry-fitted?  It seems to me that the bowsprit, more than the windlass, would limit the space to work.

Trenails are done.  Next step is to apply stain.

What am I to do with all these tipless toothpicks?  When someone spends 20 years building the Taj Mahal out of a million toothpicks, is this how it starts?

Yes, those are the exact toothpicks I've been using.  😀

I was hoping to find a less-tedious solution, but after further experiments, I have accepted that the toothpick method is the way to go.

I used tape to define the location for the trenails.  Holes were drilled along the line.

The toothpicks are glued in.

After drying, the toothpicks are chopped off and the surface is sanded down.

Getting a straight line is a challenge.

Some trenail and stain experiments.

On 4/3/2019 at 9:47 AM, Overworked724 said:

Have you thought about how you are going to mount it?

Have a look at this update in Blue Ensign's build log for Cheerful.  I'm thinking of doing something similar.

On 4/4/2019 at 7:25 PM, Overworked724 said:

Trenals!!  I vote toothpicks.

I'm currently experimenting with several methods, toothpicks included.

Thank you all for following along.

Here are some shots of the planking / caulking procedure.  I first cut a length of strip to just larger than the required size, then slowly sand one end a little at a time until it fits perfectly.  Then I cut a matching length of the plastic.  Glue is applied and the strip is added as shown below, with a tiny space between the old and new strips.

Then the plastic strip is put into place between the two deck planks.  I start at one end, then run my finger down the length of the strip.  After that, the deck plank is firmly pushed into place and excess glue is removed.

And at last the deck planking is complete.

One particular challenge was the hole for the rudder.  This picture on the site ship25bsa.smallsquareddesigns.com was especially helpful in creating the detail of the hole.

Next I need to decide how to handle coloring the deck and adding trenails.

Deck planking continues.  I did a test fit to make sure my mast and bowsprit holes were still accessible.

It's time to think about the deck.  Here is my foot, taking a very scientific measurement.  The deck planks, caulking included, are a little over two shoe lengths.  That's... um, (multiply by the scaling factor, carry the three), how wide?

Better yet, I'll consult the appendix in the Schooner Sultana book.  The appendix says the deck planks are 5 inches wide.  At 1:64 scale, that's about 2mm.  I'll be using 1/16" x 1/16" strip for the deck planks, which is close enough.

A few other things to note: the inner bulkwarks, transom, and other surfaces are painted red.  At all deck level changes, there is a white strip.  There is a deck plank along the center line, rather than planks on either side of the center line.

I have checked multiple pictures and confirmed that, even at the longest part, all deck planks are continuous; there are no breaks.  That means there will be no butt-shift pattern.

Lastly, note how thick and dark the caulking is.

I have added red paint where needed and white strips at the edges of each deck.  The white strips are 1/16" and the bulkheads they lay on are 1/8", so there is still enough surface for the ends of the deck planks to lay on.

I want to replicate the thick, dark caulking between the deck planks.  Imagine if I had strips of black plastic that were as thick as the decking strips and just wide enough to create a nice thick black line between planks.  About .4mm will do.

Anything I imagine I can model in Fusion 360.

And after loading black filament, it's 3D printed.

Starting to plank the deck.  My procedure is to cut some 1/16" x 1/16" strip to size, and cut some black plastic to match.  I add glue to the strip and put it almost in place, then carefully slip the plastic into the gap.  Then push the plank firmly into place.

The rough edge at the front will be filed down to a nice curve to accept the bulwarks, which will be added later.

The forecastle is done.  Starting to plank the main deck.

Attaching the transom.  The inner part first.

And the other two parts.  I painted ahead of time because it would be too difficult to get a brush into the recessed areas.

The pieces were attached in a staggered fashion so that the top surface would be horizontal.  This will allow the trim piece to sit properly on top.

The view from the back.  1/16" x 1/16" strips were added to fill in the remaining space.  A little more work is needed to smooth out the area just below the transom piece.

I don't recall having this issue, but looking at the pictures in my build log, the bottom of the transom piece and the deck beam piece were of equal width.  So sanding it down looks like the right thing to do.

I ended up applying wood filler and sanding at this point.  First, I was worried that the rough handling during sanding might damage the transom pieces if I attached them first.  And second, I was just impatient to get the nice, smooth hull that I hoped for.

Using 1/16" x 1/16" strips, I have filled in part of the counter.  It's clear that I'll need some filler to patch the gap between the hull planks and the counter planks.

Next, I want to glue on the transom end pieces and then I will be able to fill in the remaining space.  My transom end pieces are three laser cut pieces, 1/32" thick, which bend easily.  The three pieces will be sandwiched together to form the transom shape with its recesses.

However, before I attach those pieces, I should put the windows in place.

Here are the window shapes in Fusion 360.

Panes for the windows are added.

And the shapes are extruded.

Saved and 3D printed.

The pieces are glued in and painted white.

And here is how it looks all assembled.

Almost there...

And done.

Hopefully, filler and sanding will take care of most of the imperfections.

On 3/21/2019 at 4:18 PM, pointfiftytracer said:

I have several 3D printers and a laser cutter. I'm wanting to combine the two hobbies and possibly make a laser cut POF build if I ever get the time to draw up plans.

Hi, Point and welcome to Model Ship World.  While I'm still a modeling novice, I think you'll find my Sultana build (still in progress) to be of interest to you.  It incorporates 3D modeling, laser cutting, and a little 3D printing (with more planned for later).

19 minutes ago, Wallace said:

Now that is looking nice and clean Matt, good job sir.

Agreed.  The new planks are looking good.

25 minutes ago, Overworked724 said:

you may want to ensure you leave some grooves between the planks after you’ve sanded the hull. This will ensure the planks stand out even after paint.

Yes, that's the look I'm hoping for.  Something like in the picture below.

And more planking...  This is only my second time planking a hull, and it shows.

At the bow, things are getting a bit clinkered.  I think it will be ok after gap filling and sanding, especially since I plan to paint the hull.  The 1/8" x 1/16" strips I'm using are so thin already that not much spiling is possible.

Here's the ugly part, the stern.  Some of the planks broke while I was clamping them in place.  The others I haven't cut down because I'm uncertain about where to end them.  Also, it's a little hard to see here, but the wale strake should have been twisted much more back here.  I think I may end up sanding down the wale strake completely then glue a 1/8" x 1/16" strip on top.