CiscoH

Well its been a while. Work went bonkers, kid obligations, all the usual excuses. But the last 2 hours have been full immersion staring beady-eyed at my AVS, planning like crazy even if I didn't actually build anything. So first a review of my previous efforts planking: Front, I mean bow area Few small gaps, the closeup makes it look rough but overall I'm happy. I haven't sanded yet so the different thickness plankedges cast shadows that make it look worse than it is. I left a deep rabbit along the stem to fit both this first planking and the second thinner planking. It was hard getting the bow tips of the planks flush with the rabbit but I hope to fill the remaining rabbit with the second planking. I may have to widen the rabbit in areas if the remaining gap isn't equal the entire length. Next the stern: This area has been giving me fits trying to figure out landmarks. The practicum adjusts the first layer of planking so its not at the same level along the gundeck as the kit instructions and I got all sorts of confused. Having glared at it for a long time over several days I think I have it figured out, more below on that. BUT the planking it pretty tight here which is what I was concentrating on. Now to plank the other side and do it a little closer to the kit plans. I am not really following the practicum at present so any mistakes are all Me. Here's a pic of my stern with the kit planking picture. Keeping in mind the kit picture shows the final planking not the underlayer, I can see that my garboard strake tip curves upwards, while the kit plans show it, well, not curving upwards. I realized when I bent the bow end of the port garboard strake to fit into the rabbit it had the unintended effect of bending the tip upwards as well due to Obscure Geometry. So of course all the subsequent planking follow this upward curve. Stern shot with the kit planking picture: 1) my fashion piece doesn't come down low enough. 2) I brought my hull planking up way high on the counter. This was a bit on purpose; I plan to place the final lower counter planks after i plank the hull and use a scalpel to trim across to get a good fit. But I brought the planking up about 1 counter plank past what I had planned because of my confusion over landmarks. 3) the kit shows the stern planks coming into the bottom of the counter at about a 45 degree angle. My planks come in at about 60? degrees which made it hard to fit against the sternpost. And now to the starboard side to try and Do Better. The kit instructions divide the remaining space into 3 belts. I measured off the plans with strips of paper to get ballpark locations of each belt, then tried using tape to smooth out the lower belt line. I tried using a thin batten for the upper belt line; I think the batten gives a better run but its harder to keep still. After a lot of measuring and dividing with tic strips I got to a pretty good place. You can see below my proposed stern planking is more 45 degrees where it meets the counter. The pencil line across the stern is the final future lower border of the counter. And below's my final marking for the bands. It doesn't agree perfectly with the kit, especially at the lower stern planking with the 2 stealers. But I'm going with it for now. I will do the lowest band next, then re-evaluate for the other 2 upper bands. The practicum has you make the garboard strake wide at each end and thin amidships for reasons that escaped me, which is what I did on the this side. In the future I plan to leave the garboard wide its entire length so its more like the kit plans. I also trimmed the bow end of the garboard strake so it doesn't curve upwards, so hopefully I will have a straighter run of bow planking on this side. And thats it for today. I was sorely disappointed to not attend the Northeast ship model show in CT this weekend but my wife said I would much rather attend the yearly fundraiser for my kid's school tonight, which she had a part in organizing. Next year I guess. Enjoy spring, those of you in the Northeast USA, and thanks for reading Cisco

Those hammock cranes look great!

How are you clamping your second (and third) layer of planks? I saw a few holes from brass knurled round thingers, but most of your planks don't seem to have those holes. If your answer is "superglue" no problems but I hadn't seen which glue you use, or maybe I missed it. In the not to distant future I have to put the second layer of planking on my AVS build and I no longer have bulkheads to clamp to.

Dang that looks good. Great job!

Very lifelike Paul. Are they as advertised and just coils of rope, or did you coat them in dilute pva on a form, or what?

Sunday night, wife and kids upstairs playing a board game so I have time for an update. I'm on my third adult beverage so please excuse any typos... I am almost finished with first planking on the port side! My plan for this side was to not get buried in details and concentrate on learning how to plank without huge gaps while having some degree of symmetry. And then learn and make the starboard side better. I have a tendency towards paralysis by analysis and I don't want to never finish because I was afflicted with Perfection. So here goes: My planking reached the sternpost using 1/4" full width planks. But the angle was wonky; you can see in the pic below that the planks ended up almost parallel to the sternpost, instead of at 45 degrees. This made it really difficult to fit and I had to add slivers of wood into gaps. I didn't download a good pic of this, will do so next post. I decided to split most planking runs into 2 planks. Clamping techniques had to evolve as spacing got cramped. Using clothespins as wedges worked pretty well but man does basswood like to dent. And then I was down to one last row. Obviously (I mean its obvious to me now) if you have 1 row you have to fit both sides of the plank which is harder. I decided to divide this last row into 3 pieces. The first piece towards the bow had some slight gaps due to oversanding- the strip wouldn't fit so I would sand it some and re-fit; after a while I got tired of constantly refitting and trying to wedge the piece into the gap and so would sand more aggressively and then => gaps. So you can't be impatient. The gaps are tiny but definitely there. I conveniently forgot to take a pic of this as well. So for the middle and third piece I went slower. Having shorter pieces helped too. Below is the middle piece. It went much better. I first fitted the top of the strip until there were no gaps. Then I used my compass to measure at each bulkhead width (plus about 1mm) and marked it on the plank. Then slowly sanded down to the mark. Still too big as I was about 1mm too wide. So starting at the fore end I sanded a little, trial fitted, still too big, sanded a little more, trial fit, and kept going removing just a tiny amount each time until I could wedge it in place without too much effort. Then I started sanding at the mark for the next bulkhead, constantly refitting until it finally wedged in. I found sanding the sides of the plank so it was wedge-shaped (in cross section) instead of 90 degrees helped with fitting. Once it started to just slip into the space I sanded the edges to make them 90 degrees, aiming for a finger pressure fit. Below is the middle plank glued in place. It wanted to lift up at the back end so I had to do some interpretive wedge/clamping. But... no gaps. And finally here is the last 1/3 of a plank fitted the same way. You can see its an oddball shape. I haven't glued it in yet. And thats where I am at present. My planking is very slow because I like yellow glue so everything needs a night to set up. I know superglue is faster but I am comfortable with yellow glue and Change is Bad. My next post will examine what I did right (and wrong) planking the port side and ways I can improve on the starboard side. Have a great night and thanks for reading. Cisco

Tom i may have missed it but have you chosen a stand yet? I've been following your build log since the beginning. Somehow, reading it always makes me feel calmer and less stressed. Thank you for posting! cisco

I have had the same issue on my AVS. Must be some geometrical explanation for those deep curves that develop. Options for "fixing" them are make the next plank have a fat area facing the curve while smoothing out the other side, which makes the plank look a snake that ate a bowling ball. Or keep bending each plank to fit the deep curve, which means the next one has the same problem. I'm excited to see how you deal with it; great job second planking!

whats really amazing is how good a job you did on first planking with so few bulkheads, especially at the bow. maybe the thought was by the 3rd planking you have sanded everything into a smooth curve? anyways the 2nd layer is much improved

Thanks Theodosius! I appreciate the encouragement

I managed to go 1 week between updates! This is only because the wife and kids are away until tomorrow on an end of the year ski trip so I have that thing called Free Time. Gotta take advantage while it lasts... This week I followed Paul Le Wol's advice and instead of filling in the remaining port side planks willie nilly I busted out the tic strips and planking fan, my first experience using them. I followed Chuck's Cheerful instructions, free to download, chapter 4, which includes the planking fan. It so far has gone easier than I anticipated, words that may come back to haunt me. First I measured the widths I wanted to plank at the stern, amidships, and at the bow. Pretty simple - lay a strip of paper across the width and mark it. (The below picture is a re-enactment as I had already marked it so pretend the tic marks on the bulkheads aren't there). Since paper strips are flexible they will follow the contour of any curves and measure the true width. Next figure out how many planks will fit in these spaces. I measured each width and did some math. For this first layer of planking the practicum has you use 1/4" wide basswood planks, so I divided the measured widths (1" at the Bow, 1.5" amidships and 1 3/4" at the stern) by 1/4" and got 4, 6, and 7 planks wide. And I assumed I wouldn't want to narrow the planks at the stem to more half the original plank width, which would be 1/8", so I divided the original widths by 1/8" and got 8, 12, and 14. So if I want single planks without stealers that don't taper more than half their width I can do between 7 and 8 planks. That led me to trying to use 7 planks total, each of which would be the full 1/4" wide at the stern, and taper to a little more than 1/8" at the bow. I hope I didn't mess up that math. Next I took each tic strip and laid it across the planking fan to create 7 planks. Just like reading a hematocrit. Then I laid the tic strip back across the bulkhead and transferred the marks. I used a separate strip for each bulkhead unless it was really close to the previous one. Next I used a compass to measure each bulkhead mark and transferred it to the plank. I connected the marks and cut off most of the excess plank to make bending easier. The next plank was going to be from the stern -> forward and I had previously soaked it and bent it in place to dry over the transom. The transom upwards curve this far inward is not nearly as pointy as the outside planks so this one bent fine and didn't try to splinter. And here is me test fitting the new plank. You can see it tapers some as it gets amidships and I left it a bit long to make it easier to bend. I sanded my bevels to make it fit tight, trimmed off the excess tip, and glued it in place. For the next round I need to leave the plank a little fatter so there is enough width to bevel the edges. Also I am running out of easy clamp room. Thats all for tonight. Happy modeling and thanks for reading Cisco

Thanks for the support Paul. My (new) plan is to finish first planking on the port side as best I can while learning how to best spile and heat bend. Then starboard I will try an up my game with battens first to get a smooth run, then apply tick strips and fans. And I still have to open up the gunports, thin the remaining bulkhead risers, and put in my waterways. No rest for the wicked as they say. Also I made it to Page 2!

At last! An update. Work has been out of control and very stressful and the Shipyard has suffered. So. Planking the lower hull. I have planked only 1 hull before, Chuck's Model Shipways 18th century longboat. On that build I planked the upper strakes, then the garboard, then filled in the middle. There was a lot of bending in the prow planks above the garboard and I felt like I was missing something even though it turned out fine, possibly because the lower part was painted white so you can't see the lower runs of planking well. Like many before I am using my first layer of planking on the AVS as practice for the second layer. Making life a bit more complex is too many sets of directions. The instructions that come with the kit go over spiling. The practicum also uses spiling for the first layer with soaking in water/ bending but its different enough to be confusing. (I don't know what the practicum uses for the top layer - I haven't read that far ahead yet.) And like many I have been using the Chuck heat/mini iron method more and more. After some thinking I decided to follow the practicum order of planking. But first I had to remove the lowest 1/8" strake I accidentally thought I was supposed to add (in this post I didn't take a pic of this strake before removal). The practicum directs you to add 1/4" sequential strakes that sharply bend upwards around the transom. Eventually these 1/4" strakes should cover the transom from the lateral wale strake to the sternpost. My pencil indicates the line that marks the top of these strakes. I had purposely not filled in the lowest transverse transom plank so that I could bend the hull planks around the tight curve of the transom, glue them down, then trim them all together. The next thing I figured out is I couldn't use heat to bend the 1/4" planks around the transom- it was too tight of a bend and the wood just broke. But leaving the plank end soaking for a few hours in water softened it up enough that it would bend without heat. I clamped the ends in place - it turns out that a dowel clamped across the transom works the best to hold things in place until they dry. The next thing I figured out is the angles involved mean a hull plank will not bend around the transom perfectly so that it lines up with the previously bent plank. You have to trim it some which makes the end of the plank narrower. The below pic hopefully makes that clear-er. This means it will probably take more than 5 planks to reach the sternpost in the middle. Which is fine. Which leads to the next question- making the hull planks have a regular run without a ridiculous number of stealers or planks dying into each other. For this lower layer there is so much to learn I am not using paper strips and battens, as I said, but I will try and eyeball it. The practicum directs one to spile each plank. This leads to each plank having varied widths all along its length, taking the place I suppose of using tic strips. But its not very clear what the end result should be. I have been leaving the hull planks full width along the body and tapering them about 50% at the stem, paying attention to not allowing anything to cup upwards at the hard stem curve. This leads to bending in 2 dimensions the traditional Chuck way which works very well here. I did the first hull strake as a single piece of wood which was unnecessarily challenging. The next ones I am breaking into 2 or 3 pieces to make it easier to fit. I am avoiding having the breaks be in a vertical line at the same middle bulkhead. And the final topic- Garboard Strake Anxiety. There is not a whole lot of information on how to do this properly. When I built the 18th century longboat the directions said to end the garboard just past the stem/keel joint. I did that but in all the subsequent pics my ship didn't look like Chuck's and the above strakes had to be sharply bent downwards. I'm still not sure i did this correctly. The planking primer on this website has the cryptic note that "many beginners let their garboard strake go too high up the stem." But it doesn't say how you determine what is too high or low so not much help. After much time lost in analysis I decided to go with Less Think More Do. The practicum has you spile it, making the middle section narrower than the ends, which I did on the starboard side just to practice. This was glued down after some shaping. The port side I used a full width plank, spiled only on the tip, and glued that down. I plan to finish the inner planking to figure out which I like better. It is dawning on me that there is, relatively speaking, a narrow space for the plank tips at the stem, medium space amidships, and a lot of space at the stern. And thats enough for tonight. Stay tuned as Planking Optimism meets You Shoulda Read the Directions Better. thanks for reading, Cisco

Ron I have been slowly working my way through your entire build. Simply amazing, and goes to show you can do high end work with basic tools. Thank you again for reposting (and editing) your pre-2013 work it is very helpful to us beginners. cisco

Happy Sunday, I don't watch football so time for an update. Work progresses slowly in the dockyard . I have been adding planks up the bulwarks at one a day pacing. I know a lot of people use superglue but I have Trust Issues and still rely on regular glue- at present the yellow version made by gorilla glue which dries only faintly yellow and has a great initial tack. But you still have to leave it for a couple hours to dry. Following the practicum I added 3 strips of planking up the bulwarks with overlap into the cannon ports that will be trimmed later. Curved bending for the prow planking was done with my trusty dachshund mug. Once I got ready to add the top bulwark strip that would form the "lintel" of the gunports I found an issue- At the fashion piece the planking ended up different heights on each side and overall swooping up way too high. I used a compass to measure from the top of the cabin down and roughly drew a line in pencil, which you can see below on the top plank just forward of the fashion piece. On the port side the planks came up even higher; per the practicum the planks should be roughly parallel with the roof of the great cabin; my version is almost diagonal. So after roughly drawing a straight line I clamped a strip even with the top of the planking next to the tiny quarterdeck and cut along it with my xacto which worked surprisingly well. Then I cut out the triangle and test fitted the lintel strip. I had to sand some to remove a small hump but it looked better and more parallel to the roof. Then after bending the strip to fit I used every small clamp I own to hold it in place. Ands that drying as I type. I am doing the same procedure to the other side tomorrow. Speaking of clamps. I have been trying different ones; the black spring Bessy clamps work really well. The reversed clothespins also work well. The brass ones in the pic above are only ok; they adjust fine but are heavy and don't have any "spring," so its easy to leave them either too loose and they fall off or too tight and then you got dents. The squeezy clamps work well; I like the dewalts better because the head doesn't move when pressure is applied. The irwins, which are cheaper, have some play in the head which makes it hard to clamp using the tips. I ordered the below black metal screw clamps which are not so great; too big and heavy and hard to screw. And I'm afraid to oil the screws because I know all the oil will end up wicking into my model. They had another smaller size which in hindsight I should have gotten instead. Thats it for updates. Thanks for reading. Cisco

Great planking job Andy. I was wondering where you got the small black miniature screw clamps in the first and third pictures of your first post. I can't find them, or maybe my google description isn't right. thanks, cisco

Been a while! I took the kids sledding so they're crashed out in their rooms, wife's away riding her horse, time for an update. First off, based on a MSW recommendation, I got Legacy of a Ship Model by Rob Napier and it is simply stunning. He documents taking apart and repairing the model HMS Princess Royal which is owned by the Naval Academy. Its dense text but just un-put-downable if you have interest in the construction of the original models. One very surprising thing he documents is the original builders often made complex parts out of 1 single piece of wood, where any (sane) modern modelist would build up pieces. Especially decking, which was often a large single very thin piece of wood with planks scribed on and outlined with ink, and some crazy bulkheads that had entire doors, paneling and all, scribed on. I have been skeptical of some kits that have lasered planking and bulkheads burned on as a modern shortcut, but apparently I am way wrong. Back to the AVS, humbe as she may be, I decided to fix the cracked stem (see last photo of my last post). I had glued it on with Titebond II and although I read these glues are reversible I had never tried it myself. Turns out its remarkably (scarily) easy. I applied some alcohol with a qtip, blowdryered for a minute, and the glue softened and I could remove the stem piece no problems intact. It turned out the top 1/3 of the curved stem wasn't actually touching the bulkhead former and the glue hadn't stuck there so maybe its doubly good I removed it. I traced the outline of a new stem from the original walnut stem the kit came with onto my holly piece and filed and sanded to try and get a tight fit. It was challenging; I made the bottom half first and could go back and forth sanding, test, sand, etc, but once it was glued on fitting the top half was a lot more work. But its pretty tight now and I call good enough, move on. It was very easy to round the edges of the scarf joins and make them fit perfect on one side and be big and gappy on the other. Learning curve. The stem still needs to be thinned some but I'm sure I'll ding it over time so will wait until planking is done for a final sand. Next I fitted the fashion pieces which took a lot longer than planned due to worry I would remove something that later shouldn't have been taken away. The Practicum shows the fashion pieces essentially flush with the entirety of the sides of the quarterdeck while the instructions from the AVS kit definitely shows a small gap between the fashion piece and the outside of the Qdeck at the top dorsal portion. After some hand wringing and studying pictures over and over I proceeded as per the AVS instructions. First off I cut then sanded my excess transom planking to shape. If I had followed the Practicum the curve of the outer edges of the transom, which essentially follow the lateral sides of the windows, would have been much closer together at the top. Then I put a very slight bend in my holly stock pieces so they fit the gentle curve, hard to see here, of the lateral transom and glued them on. Then I added the lower curvey fashion pieces, sanded then so the ventral part was even with the curved counter, and trimmed the bottoms so they are level with future wale. Once planking is done I will sand them thinner; for now I'm leaving them thick so when I inevitably ding them it can be sanded out. And thats where we are. Next up is continuing the first planking. Hard to believe I have done what i feel to be a ton of work and still not done with Chapter 2. Five? more chapters to go I think. Take care y'all, thanks for reading, Cisco

First off, thank you for the kind encouragement Overworked724. I am following your Syren closely; and I especially appreciate the many how-to pics. Its nice to have a community! And now this weekend's update. Some steps forward, some back. The good things first- 1) Planked the counter. I found it easier to leave the planks long for glue-up, then trim. I didn't put in the last lower 1.5 planks because I was concerned about the junction between the hull planking where it does that tight upright twist. I'm trying to think of ways to make this hull planking/counter junction look even, and I am thinking I could plank the hull, smooth the ends of the planks flat straight across the lower counter, then add the last counter planks. We'll see. The planking looks uneven in the pic but on the ship it looks ok. I trimmed it flush and started on the transom. 2 notes here- I purchased 4 of the Bessey 2" clamps I have seen many other models use and they work great! Only thing I could ask for is a little less "springiness" as they can dent the basswood esp if its damp from bending but thats a quibble. I just ordered a herd more from Acmetools for about 3$ each and well worth it. second thing is terminology. I was having a lot of trouble remembering Counter vs Transom, until I realized the Counter is curved and C shaped while the Transom is flat. Memory mnemonics are the best. Following the practium I placed the lowest transom plank and cut out the window openings. Then I remembered to paint the inside window wells black. And finally I added more planks to the transom. I thought it would be easier to glue each plank before cutting out the window opening. And then while maneuvering clamps I managed to drop the model about 3 feet down onto the floor. Clamps, chips of wood went flying. It seemed bad. But not too terrible it turns out. Some of the transom planks that I had left long broke off on the sides. In the above pic you can one of my repairs- there is a wedge of wood on the right side between the lowest and next up plank just lateral to the window hole. Since everything gets a second layer of planking not a big deal. I decided to not add the windows until later as I want to make basic window frames that overlap the openings with a 4 pane window panel inset and I'm sure I will put my fingers through them at some point. And the window holes will probly make good clamping points. But I later found I had cracked the stem which is a little more difficult. I had managed to glue the initial 3 planks to the stem and they seem to be exerting enough force to pull the gap open, and its an awkward place to clamp. In Feldman's book his stem is actually 2 pieces not 1 like the Model Shipways version and this could be my sign to cut out the broken bit and remake the stem into 2 pieces. That basswood has a lot of fuzz in the closeups. You can't really see it macro. So thats where I am. Take care everyone, Cisco

Hey FarmerJon- great planking job! I agree its not a kit for total beginners But it is a good introduction to planking which is never going to be easy. I had a hellacious time getting the bends correct on the planks above the garboard strake which I can see you already did a better job of. And after sanding in one area my bow planking got a bit translucent. I believe I used sandpaper wrapped around a curved piece of wood ("J" shaped) where I sanded up and down with the curly J portion. Took a while but good control. Keep the updates coming Cisco

apologies if i missed it. what brand of acrylic resin are you using?

i just decided to stall on adding my margin planks on my AVS so i cant help with that question. Great SpaceWolf though!

Thanks Paul. I think youre right and I will leave the extensions as is for now, and wait to install the waterways until after I've planked the exterior. I saw in some AVS logs people also filled in the entirety of spacing between the gunports (where the oarports go, Cheerful I dont think has these). This seems easier to do before the extensions are thinned. So that means the stern is next. AND... the fashion pieces. I'm prepared for an epic struggle. Cisco

That looks 100% better.

A much quicker than usual update! Mostly because I was off work yesterday and now I have a question- Progress so far- I want to make my decking and waterway out of Holly, so first step was cutting my Holly billet into strips. Woodworking is my other hobby so I already have a bandsaw. I set the fence so it was a little wider than than laser cut walnut that came with the kit. Except after cutting 3 strips of Holly I realized I had the wrong strip of walnut; I picked out the piece with the cap rails which is thinner (1/16") than the waterways strip (1/8"). In my defense they looked very similar. Also its freezing in the garage (16 degree F) and I was hurrying. Below is the billet, then the correctly cut 1/8" (+ a little more) holly strips next to the correct walnut strip, and on the right the 4 strips of holly cut too thin. They will find use I'm sure somewhere else. You can see there's a knot in the middle of the holly billet but I think dividing up the waterway into 2 pieces each I can cut out what I need. To final surface the holly strips and bring them to 1/8" thickness I reused my blockplane jig. It was made to surface the stem and keel which were 3/16" thick, but luckily the kit comes with lots of strips of basswood of all different sizes. So i used some to shim the holly strips up, blockplaned 1 side a few passes, then turned the strip over and did the other side. Then just keep flipping and taking a shaving until final thickness reached. It went a lot easier than I had planned. So finally I reach my question. The practicum illustration of the gunport planking, pictured in my last post, clearly shows the bulkhead extensions to be 3/64" thick. The practicum also says to sand down the knighthead and timberhead extensions to 3/64". He makes no (written) mention that I could find of the other bulkhead extensions, and his picture in the practicum shows them clearly unthinned and much thicker than 3/64" after his waterway is installed. I reviewed some of the MSW AVS logs and it seemed like no one had thinned any other bulkhead extensions except the bow ones. And I think I remember Chuck saying somewhere that having fat gunports was a common mistake. So I took the front 3 bulkhead extensions to 3/64", that seemed uncontroversial at least. The grain dives outwards on the kit bulkhead extensions so I promptly split the 3rd one starboard side and had to reglue it. So now I am deciding on thin all the bulkhead extensions to 3/64", which is pretty skinny, or thin them to a regular but "thicker" thickness which is what the practicum photo, but not the practicum illustration, shows. Any advice would be appreciated. Thanks for reading, and all you in the Mideastern USA hope you had a great snowstorm. Yesterday off from work was great but my kids were off school as well (less great) and they're off today as well and they really need to go back. Cisco

That looks fantastic. Thank you again for your thorough explanation and pics, it really helps newbies like me. Also its just beautiful to look at